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Ellery

Member
We're almost there 1:1 :messenger_beermugs:. But seriously is there some other hidden thing that this is telling us? Feels like it's signaling something... the expected is that the euro recovers and we go back to a ~1.2 conversion but maybe the value of the dollar plummets instead to get back to the previous rate. Or does it say something positive about the US market?

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The ECB is lagging behind the FED significantly. They are between a rock and a hard place, because any interest rate increases are insanely difficult to handle for struggling countries in the euro zone and sadly the list of countries that struggle is long and big including huge countries like spain, italy, greece, portugal and sadly sadly sadly even france (where Christine is actually from).
The ECB actually hasn't even started with QT yet. They are still praying for things to normalize in a miraculous way.

My personal fear is that there is a very high chance of dividing europe and that would play right into the hands of BRICS states.

At some point german, dutch etc. people will be furious if they start to understand how the spread control of the ECB works transfering wealth of strong economic countries to weak ones that splurge and go into debt. There is a legit chance of countries going back to their previous currency and abandon the euro, because for some countries the euro is a burden because.


The one thing I hope most for is that I am absolutely wrong with all of what I fear regarding the outlook of whatever is to come. I genuinely hope I was manipulated by fear and media into catastrophizing and doomsaying this entire situation.
 

HoodWinked

Member
IBM lol.

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anyways as expected judge in Delaware is showing favorability towards corporations expect twtr to trend up and possibly tsla down as Elon may have to sell shares.
 
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reksveks

Member
Would jump on board on twitter but suspect he will just pay out some difference between 1bn and the price difference between the 54.20 and the current price. Not sure how well that would work out.
 

godhandiscen

There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
Keke Tesla sold BTC at a lost.

I wonder if I missed the dip, I really didn’t buy anything, but I know the earnings season won’t be sunshine and rainbows, so I am very firm in my intention to continue building a cash position.
 
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GHG

Member
Keke Tesla sold BTC at a lost.

I wonder if I missed the dip, I really didn’t buy anything, but I know the earnings season won’t be sunshine and rainbows, so I am very firm in my intention to continue building a cash position.

Long road ahead, those who are patient and disciplined will be rewarded.

I'll say it again, sell puts on stocks you want at the prices you want them at. Then chill, you're literally getting paid to wait.
 

Fools idol

Banned
Sentiment is awful and yet most of the darlings in high growth tech are building bases.

Most of mine like cloudflare, shopify and ali baba bottomed in spring, they didn't confirm the $QQQ weakness and lows in June.

With 70-90% drawdowns behind us, the crash is done imho. These great companies will still be great through periods of inflation. The long-term risk reward is favourable.

It's very easy to get caught up in the current, and the near term. But when you look at it with a long term horizon how offen do we see a global hyperinflation, world war brink, earnings recession and food shortages at the same time?

I'm deploying cash back in gradually and will continue to do so. No major buys, just to DCA in case I'm wrong and we haven't seen the absolute lows.
 

Fools idol

Banned
TLDR algos hit the bid cause Jeromeyromeyrome said he doesn't see us in a recession.

Spoiler; he also said inflation was transitory.
 

godhandiscen

There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
I feel regret for not staying bullish during the dip. At least I didn't sell.
 

Quasicat

Member
I tried the stock market about 20 years ago. I didn’t buy anything specifically memorable since it was a portfolio through Vanguard. I was online constantly looking to see what it was doing and freaking out the moment it started to go down. It caused so much stress in my life, that I had to stop. I don’t live an extravagant lifestyle and really don’t need to worry about it.
 

TylerD

Member
I tried the stock market about 20 years ago. I didn’t buy anything specifically memorable since it was a portfolio through Vanguard. I was online constantly looking to see what it was doing and freaking out the moment it started to go down. It caused so much stress in my life, that I had to stop. I don’t live an extravagant lifestyle and really don’t need to worry about it.

I understand this. Earlier on in my investing journey I dabbled with individual stock picking outside of my 401k and it didn't work at all for me regarding the stress that came along with it. But being invested in funds that track indices, dividend growth stocks, small cap stocks, total US stock market, total international stock market, US and international bond funds etc... I'm up to hundreds of thousands of dollars in the market after 14 years of investing and armed with the historical (past performance does not indicated future performance, etc...) data of what markets do over time, I'm just not stressed about it at all. There have been many crashes and downturns but also lots of upturns and the market in general goes up over time. I check one time a month after my first of the month 401k contribution hits and manually update my budget where I'm tracking the value of my brokerage and multiple retirement accounts.

The stress to me comes when you are actively trying to manage things and the shorter your time line is. The more hands off I am the easier it is for me.

I only try to time the market in such a way that I see these downturns as opportunities to increase my contributions to pay off many times over in 15-20-25 or more years down the line. With my Roth IRA I usually knock out the yearly contribution in the first couple of months of the year but this year with the market going down I spaced it out to buy on the way down since that was the trend. It's all just numbers on a screen for now.
 
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godhandiscen

There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
MS, Apple and Google all basically put a pause on hiring.

This is good, they just hire anybody nowadays. Working for those companies used to mean something.

I cannot wait to look at my NET calls tomorrow.
 

Ironbunny

Member
Listening to Tesla's 2022 Annual meeting of stockholders. All the proposals put forward so far have been about inclusivity, diversity and global warming. Now its about child labour. On all the proposals the board has been against for voting yes. Most of the proposals seem to rather hinder Tesla as a company then move it forward.
 

Fools idol

Banned
Something feels very off with China's political moves right now. I wonder how likely we are to see them take action against US suppliers in their network to cripple US companies?

Should Xi decide to halt production at Tesla's Shanghai factory or any of the Apple factories we can see some real problems. Given the current tension it seems likely to me, as military conflict would be too on the nose.
 

chromhound

Member
Something feels very off with China's political moves right now. I wonder how likely we are to see them take action against US suppliers in their network to cripple US companies?

Should Xi decide to halt production at Tesla's Shanghai factory or any of the Apple factories we can see some real problems. Given the current tension it seems likely to me, as military conflict would be too on the nose.
Bunch of pussies
 
So I'm going to do something out of character but potentially lucrative in the long run. $1K across a bunch of crypto and happy to wait 1-10 years. I've never really traded crypto but I'm thinking even doge shit ones can have their peaks and troughs in magnitudes more than their worth. There was an interesting article (Forex Suggest) that caught me and I figured for some play money why not dump a cross section of play money into crypto and just watch for one to land over time. Seems like a good lull to dip in currently.

Good? Bad? Ugly? Suggestions?

Here's what sparked it for me, Crypto gains over 5 years. -

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VS stocks

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Fools idol

Banned
So I'm going to do something out of character but potentially lucrative in the long run. $1K across a bunch of crypto and happy to wait 1-10 years. I've never really traded crypto but I'm thinking even doge shit ones can have their peaks and troughs in magnitudes more than their worth. There was an interesting article (Forex Suggest) that caught me and I figured for some play money why not dump a cross section of play money into crypto and just watch for one to land over time. Seems like a good lull to dip in currently.

Good? Bad? Ugly? Suggestions?

Here's what sparked it for me, Crypto gains over 5 years. -

eb0b939703c6ca742ccc85aaa4096fe7


VS stocks

d732f00cc4a98375d30d1923a889927d

Honestly, I would just stick 1k in bitcoin and call it a day.

Every single coin is pegged to BTC's performance, whether people admit it or not. If the big boy goes up, the little boats go up with it. If the tide goes out well... they are far worse off than the big boy.
 
Honestly, I would just stick 1k in bitcoin and call it a day.

Every single coin is pegged to BTC's performance, whether people admit it or not. If the big boy goes up, the little boats go up with it. If the tide goes out well... they are far worse off than the big boy.

I thought of that, it's more the magnitude of the little ones when they go up from fractions of penny stocks to then cents, tens or dollars per stock.

Edit: I also like the idea of hedging bets across 5 or 10 instead of just one. If you wrote off 9 out of 10 as 100% loss and 1 lands at exponential growth you're laughing.
 
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Fools idol

Banned
so I noticed something fishy this evening.

Since quantitative easing supposedly 'ended' in March this year, the Federal Reserve has bought a staggering $757.8 BILLION in assets ($626.6B US Treasuries and $131.2B Mortgage-Backed Securities).

Given that were ar 9.1% CPI and far worse real inflation, that is absurd.

What is interesting about this exactly? well, lets look at the numbers in more detail. To be exact, they are $626,619,417,800 & $131,282,000,000 -- (pulled direct from US Treasury and NY Fed results)

These are absolutely outright purchases, even if "principal reinvestment" is now supposedly subject to caps. We will never see CNBC report these figures. They're intentionally complex to calculate, and greatly exceed the Fed's estimates. Even if they're being applied correctly, the actual "caps" on "reinvestment" are clearly too small if the Fed's still buying this amount of assets.

In a nutshell, it's wild to me that the Fed has spent more buying treasuries and MBS in the past few months ($757.8B) than the ENTIRE 10-year revenue estimate for the "Inflation Reduction Act" - which itself is disturbingly excessive ($739B).

To conclude the figures, just ysterday (16th aug) they bought another $30.5B US treasuries ($26.5B 3-YR Notes. It still wasn't enough to flip most stocks green on the day.

That brings total assets purchases to ~$800 BILLION since the supposed end of QE 🤦🏻‍♂️

The Fed continues to massively manipulate markets and one has to wonder to what end. Spoiler; it isn't good for the middle class.

So what does this all mean you say? Well this is my theory. Since Covid gave them the perfect market conditions to do so, they closed in on a long term goal that was set by the super rich a long time ago. They printed liquidity money out of thin air with the public headlines of 'save the markets!' which in turn, knowing naturally doing so increases inflation, whilst telling everyone it would he transitory. They then buy real assets with the printed money, and then raise taxes to ensure that the interest on the loan is paid by normies.

In short this is the biggest theft of wealth in the history of the world. I am starting to wonder if this whole great reset thing has deeper roots than I initially realised. The fed is keeping the public concerned with inflation and worrying headlines whilst it give 800B to wallstreet to buy assets. It's absolutely fucking gross and I know hardly anyone will see what has happened. When this whole system falls apart they will just blame russia and china and consumer credit card habits and all the usual excuses.
 
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so I noticed something fishy this evening.

Since quantitative easing supposedly 'ended' in March this year, the Federal Reserve has bought a staggering $757.8 BILLION in assets ($626.6B US Treasuries and $131.2B Mortgage-Backed Securities).

Given that were ar 9.1% CPI and far worse real inflation, that is absurd.

What is interesting about this exactly? well, lets look at the numbers in more detail. To be exact, they are $626,619,417,800 & $131,282,000,000 -- (pulled direct from US Treasury and NY Fed results)

These are absolutely outright purchases, even if "principal reinvestment" is now supposedly subject to caps. We will never see CNBC report these figures. They're intentionally complex to calculate, and greatly exceed the Fed's estimates. Even if they're being applied correctly, the actual "caps" on "reinvestment" are clearly too small if the Fed's still buying this amount of assets.

In a nutshell, it's wild to me that the Fed has spent more buying treasuries and MBS in the past few months ($757.8B) than the ENTIRE 10-year revenue estimate for the "Inflation Reduction Act" - which itself is disturbingly excessive ($739B).

To conclude the figures, just ysterday (16th aug) they bought another $30.5B US treasuries ($26.5B 3-YR Notes. It still wasn't enough to flip most stocks green on the day.

That brings total assets purchases to ~$800 BILLION since the supposed end of QE 🤦🏻‍♂️

The Fed continues to massively manipulate markets and one has to wonder to what end. Spoiler; it isn't good for the middle class.

So what does this all mean you say? Well this is my theory. Since Covid gave them the perfect market conditions to do so, they closed in on a long term goal that was set by the super rich a long time ago. They printed liquidity money out of thin air with the public headlines of 'save the markets!' which in turn, knowing naturally doing so increases inflation, whilst telling everyone it would he transitory. They then buy real assets with the printed money, and then raise taxes to ensure that the interest on the loan is paid by normies.

In short this is the biggest theft of wealth in the history of the world. I am starting to wonder if this whole great reset thing has deeper roots than I initially realised. The fed is keeping the public concerned with inflation and worrying headlines whilst it give 800B to wallstreet to buy assets. It's absolutely fucking gross and I know hardly anyone will see what has happened. When this whole system falls apart they will just blame russia and china and consumer credit card habits and all the usual excuses.
I mean the fed only exists to transfer wealth from the working class, so...

As for how bad this economy is going to get, we will find out in 2 or 3 months if things will hold another year at least.
 

Ellery

Member
so I noticed something fishy this evening.

Since quantitative easing supposedly 'ended' in March this year, the Federal Reserve has bought a staggering $757.8 BILLION in assets ($626.6B US Treasuries and $131.2B Mortgage-Backed Securities).

Given that were ar 9.1% CPI and far worse real inflation, that is absurd.

What is interesting about this exactly? well, lets look at the numbers in more detail. To be exact, they are $626,619,417,800 & $131,282,000,000 -- (pulled direct from US Treasury and NY Fed results)

These are absolutely outright purchases, even if "principal reinvestment" is now supposedly subject to caps. We will never see CNBC report these figures. They're intentionally complex to calculate, and greatly exceed the Fed's estimates. Even if they're being applied correctly, the actual "caps" on "reinvestment" are clearly too small if the Fed's still buying this amount of assets.

In a nutshell, it's wild to me that the Fed has spent more buying treasuries and MBS in the past few months ($757.8B) than the ENTIRE 10-year revenue estimate for the "Inflation Reduction Act" - which itself is disturbingly excessive ($739B).

To conclude the figures, just ysterday (16th aug) they bought another $30.5B US treasuries ($26.5B 3-YR Notes. It still wasn't enough to flip most stocks green on the day.

That brings total assets purchases to ~$800 BILLION since the supposed end of QE 🤦🏻‍♂️

The Fed continues to massively manipulate markets and one has to wonder to what end. Spoiler; it isn't good for the middle class.

So what does this all mean you say? Well this is my theory. Since Covid gave them the perfect market conditions to do so, they closed in on a long term goal that was set by the super rich a long time ago. They printed liquidity money out of thin air with the public headlines of 'save the markets!' which in turn, knowing naturally doing so increases inflation, whilst telling everyone it would he transitory. They then buy real assets with the printed money, and then raise taxes to ensure that the interest on the loan is paid by normies.

In short this is the biggest theft of wealth in the history of the world. I am starting to wonder if this whole great reset thing has deeper roots than I initially realised. The fed is keeping the public concerned with inflation and worrying headlines whilst it give 800B to wallstreet to buy assets. It's absolutely fucking gross and I know hardly anyone will see what has happened. When this whole system falls apart they will just blame russia and china and consumer credit card habits and all the usual excuses.

Yup. I think Burry tweeted something about that too.



Each day it feels more and more like rich vs poor and whenever retail gets wind of what might be going on or wanting to go on wall street they manage it perfectly that we fight within the population and not upwards against the rich.
Occupy Wallstreet? -> Identity politics to the most excessive degree distracting from wall street.

You are absolutely right that everything that is happening and has happened since (probably the 1970s) is fucking retail/normies over.


I genuinely don't even understand why that is allowed or why nobody cares (I mean I know exactly why and you do too) that they are straight up hypermanipulating and lying.
 
Going to be very interesting to see what happens with AMC once the dividends are paid out.

I took a small gamble on it, and it's currently the only green stock in my portfolio. Up a few thousand but if it turns out to be another gme, I've got a paid off house from it lol.

Worst case, I make a few bucks.
 

Ellery

Member
Going to be very interesting to see what happens with AMC once the dividends are paid out.

I took a small gamble on it, and it's currently the only green stock in my portfolio. Up a few thousand but if it turns out to be another gme, I've got a paid off house from it lol.

Worst case, I make a few bucks.

AMC can certainly do some weird price movements up and down, but it isn't the technical mastermind play since the CEO is in bed with Wall Street / Citadel and I saw a few other extremely telling things that make me pretty sure that AMC was a distraction play at that time.

I actually was invested in it at around 9-10$ or so and sold at 40$ when I realized what was going on putting 1+1 together that they just socially engineered the AMC event.

Not trying to influence you in any way, but AMC is definitely not the play for me, but if other players like BBBY etc. do technical short squeezing plays then AMC will certainly profit as well since it is included in the "meme stock basket" even though the underlying technical fundaments are extremely different.

Don't take my word like criticism or anything. I have gamble plays too.


Is AMC going to do the stock split as a dividend play that GME did a few weeks ago? Where they give the DTC the shares that they split up between the brokers but the DTC "managed to screw that up mysteriously".
 
AMC can certainly do some weird price movements up and down, but it isn't the technical mastermind play since the CEO is in bed with Wall Street / Citadel and I saw a few other extremely telling things that make me pretty sure that AMC was a distraction play at that time.

I actually was invested in it at around 9-10$ or so and sold at 40$ when I realized what was going on putting 1+1 together that they just socially engineered the AMC event.

Not trying to influence you in any way, but AMC is definitely not the play for me, but if other players like BBBY etc. do technical short squeezing plays then AMC will certainly profit as well since it is included in the "meme stock basket" even though the underlying technical fundaments are extremely different.

Don't take my word like criticism or anything. I have gamble plays too.


Is AMC going to do the stock split as a dividend play that GME did a few weeks ago? Where they give the DTC the shares that they split up between the brokers but the DTC "managed to screw that up mysteriously".
It's one of those things where if it happens, it happens.

I don't actually know what happened in the gme split. The AMC dividend has a unique ticker, and my broker is one of the ones who is being really up front about it so I'm not worried about not getting it, if that's what happened with GME.

Adam Aron and cohorts selling shares worries me a bit, but who knows.
 

Fools idol

Banned
I genuinely don't even understand why that is allowed or why nobody cares (I mean I know exactly why and you do too) that they are straight up hypermanipulating and lying.

At the moment it's clear to me, they are trying to lure short sellers to load up on the short side, to cause either a) one last hurray before the elections and then let it collapse or b) they genuinely want to lure as many people in to the market so when they do finally pull the plug the panic selling will cause an absolute cataclysm.

They get away with it because the circle is small and at the very top of the political and economic totem pole. The reality is, the face of the fed (Jerome Powell) is not truly the shot caller. It's no secret there is a group behind the fed that actually controls the fed, but it's a very deep rabbit hole.

I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist so I will word it carefully and you can fill in the blanks. We're on a planet with finite resources and a rapidly turning climate that a lot of wealthy individuals as well as intelligent scientists know we are already past the point of no return. Adverse weather conditions are destroying agriculture across the globe, energy prices are being artificially inflated to the point where both abundant food and energy becomes a privilege for the majority.

The age of being able to take a gas powered vehicle of any kind to a pump, fill it up cheaply, drive to one of 10 supermarkets filled to the brim with food and choice of it are LONG gone. This is going to get even worse. Markets are already losing buyers to inflation, if people cant buy food they are not buying assets.
 

Ellery

Member
At the moment it's clear to me, they are trying to lure short sellers to load up on the short side, to cause either a) one last hurray before the elections and then let it collapse or b) they genuinely want to lure as many people in to the market so when they do finally pull the plug the panic selling will cause an absolute cataclysm.

They get away with it because the circle is small and at the very top of the political and economic totem pole. The reality is, the face of the fed (Jerome Powell) is not truly the shot caller. It's no secret there is a group behind the fed that actually controls the fed, but it's a very deep rabbit hole.

I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist so I will word it carefully and you can fill in the blanks. We're on a planet with finite resources and a rapidly turning climate that a lot of wealthy individuals as well as intelligent scientists know we are already past the point of no return. Adverse weather conditions are destroying agriculture across the globe, energy prices are being artificially inflated to the point where both abundant food and energy becomes a privilege for the majority.

The age of being able to take a gas powered vehicle of any kind to a pump, fill it up cheaply, drive to one of 10 supermarkets filled to the brim with food and choice of it are LONG gone. This is going to get even worse. Markets are already losing buyers to inflation, if people cant buy food they are not buying assets.

I am certain that way more things are happening in the real world than conspiracy theorists can come up with. The real world has to be 1000x worse and we all know that from aging, meeting people and putting 1+1 together and think for ourselves.
I bet most of us here believe that there is massive manipulation going on, but that doesn't make us conpiracy nuts that believe in Lizard People, Flat Earth, and many more of those things.

I am fully with you and think of the western world, or well many parts of the world probably, and especially the US as the place where the biggest influence and power comes from and propaganda/manipulation/distraction is an extremely effective tool they use and they would also use that to denounce people as conpiracy theorists.

You are well off and I don't know how old you are, but coming from what I've seen you post I take it that you are financially so secure that you and your family are well taken care for for the rest of your life and I appreciate your experience and sharing it with us. Honesty is great and I value it a lot to hear/read what people think. Of course you may be wrong, but so might anyone and you are bringing up good points that make a lot of sense that don't get enough attention from the "mainstream".

It's one of those things where if it happens, it happens.

I don't actually know what happened in the gme split. The AMC dividend has a unique ticker, and my broker is one of the ones who is being really up front about it so I'm not worried about not getting it, if that's what happened with GME.

Adam Aron and cohorts selling shares worries me a bit, but who knows.

Gamestop did a stock split as a dividend which means that the stock and price is split but it is being paid out as a dividend.
So if Gamestop has 1000 shares they would give 3000 shares to the DTC and the DTC would divide those shares to the brokers etc. that then give them to the people.
The problem is that there are obviously more GME holders + shares than officially reported so that the DTC runs into a problem of evenly dividing those shares.
This is where the, assumed manipulation, happened and many Brokers treated this as a stock split which means that instead of dividing those shares they basically created new ones.

So what exactly happened here? GME is an extremely interesting stock and I wonder what Fools Idol thinks of it.
 
I am certain that way more things are happening in the real world than conspiracy theorists can come up with. The real world has to be 1000x worse and we all know that from aging, meeting people and putting 1+1 together and think for ourselves.
I bet most of us here believe that there is massive manipulation going on, but that doesn't make us conpiracy nuts that believe in Lizard People, Flat Earth, and many more of those things.

I am fully with you and think of the western world, or well many parts of the world probably, and especially the US as the place where the biggest influence and power comes from and propaganda/manipulation/distraction is an extremely effective tool they use and they would also use that to denounce people as conpiracy theorists.

You are well off and I don't know how old you are, but coming from what I've seen you post I take it that you are financially so secure that you and your family are well taken care for for the rest of your life and I appreciate your experience and sharing it with us. Honesty is great and I value it a lot to hear/read what people think. Of course you may be wrong, but so might anyone and you are bringing up good points that make a lot of sense that don't get enough attention from the "mainstream".



Gamestop did a stock split as a dividend which means that the stock and price is split but it is being paid out as a dividend.
So if Gamestop has 1000 shares they would give 3000 shares to the DTC and the DTC would divide those shares to the brokers etc. that then give them to the people.
The problem is that there are obviously more GME holders + shares than officially reported so that the DTC runs into a problem of evenly dividing those shares.
This is where the, assumed manipulation, happened and many Brokers treated this as a stock split which means that instead of dividing those shares they basically created new ones.

So what exactly happened here? GME is an extremely interesting stock and I wonder what Fools Idol thinks of it.
Yeah that's the thing with AMC as well, what's going to happen with the distribution of APE with all the synthetics out there?

Could cause a squeeze unlike GME due to it being a new ticker, under the APE (lol) symbol. But yeah, we will find out soon.

Also, don't buy into the fear mongering. There are plenty of resources, and what we are seeing is absolutely about control, and any concerns over resources that we have seen this year are manufactured. It's 100 percent us vs them.
 
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