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[elcapitano]

No one can say it isn't a great game with great graphics and levels of polish.

You can argue about the story sure. Some love it some hate it.

I love it and loved the first game. Play it and see for yourselves. Something to remember is the leaks where often lies or taken completely out of context.

And even what's true is irrelevant until you see context.

 

[GermanZepp]

If only half the games had a fifth of the writing of this game I would be in a gaming utopia. Nothing in the gaming landscape comes close to the quality of narrative and delivery here. It’s like Pac-Man vs Half-life all to often.

I get your point, the acting is well done and the quantity of the content is plenty. Sometimes the pacing of the story beats are fine, creating suspense and all.

My rant and disappointing from the game is that the story take the wrong turns in every opportunity it has. It has unnecessary plot holes generated to justified stuff happening. It felt like some of the most significant character developments from the first game never happened or are viewed from a twisted angle, for example, Ellie being a bitch to Joel, "Cause he lied", pretty much neglecting the ending of the first game, etc, etc. All the “woke” things, while obvious, didn't bother me. That's my two cents. Just pretentious obnoxious writing that takes itself to seriously.

 

[kyliethicc]

It felt like some of the most significant character developments from the first game never happened or are viewed from a twisted angle, for example, Ellie being a bitch to Joel, "Cause he lied", pretty much neglecting the ending of the first game, etc, etc.

None of that is true. It’s literally all about their relationship from Part 1.

The arc of the story is that Ellie knows Joel is lying to her about the hospital but can’t prove it. At first, it’s not that big of a deal. Hence the beautiful scene at the museum. They still have fun at times. (Plus teenagers tend to push away their parents for a few years anyways.)

Then she finds out the truth and gets mad at him, ignoring him until the night before his death, where she begins to forgive him. And then the entire time after Joel is killed, Ellie is self loathing and regretting wasting her time with Joel being mad at him. The point of the story is that if you spend all your time being mad at someone instead of forgiving them, you’ll probably regret it. Ellie knows she fucked up because she loved Joel and wishes she could go back and forgive him sooner. Its a beautiful melancholy tale with a relatable idea.

That’s why the last scene is the flashback of Ellie trying to forgive Joel, finally talking to him after like 2 years. Once you realize that was their last moment together before he was killed, you realize why Ellie was so angry the entire time afterwards. All the guilt. It’s a brilliant reveal at the end. Makes a second play so much more interesting.

 

[GermanZepp]

None of that is true. It’s literally all about their relationship from Part 1.

The arc of the story is that Ellie knows Joel is lying to her about the hospital but can’t prove it. At first, it’s not that big of a deal. Hence the beautiful scene at the museum. They still have fun at times. (Plus teenagers tend to push away their parents for a few years anyways.)

Then she finds out the truth and gets mad at him, ignoring him until the night before his death, where she begins to forgive him. And then the entire time after Joel is killed, Ellie is self loathing and regretting wasting her time with Joel being mad at him. The point of the story is that if you spend all your time being mad at someone instead of forgiving them, you’ll probably regret it. Ellie knows she fucked up because she loved Joel and wishes she could go back and forgive him sooner. Its a beautiful melancholy tale with a relatable idea.

That's ok. It was not my impression after playing it.

 

[kyliethicc]

That's ok. It was not my impression after playing it.

 

[Termite]

The gameplay is phenomenal. I think everyone accepts that.

As for the story, it's frustrating how such magnificent dialogue, acting performances, and world-building in general are put in service of such a poorly paced, unsubtle, overlong mess of a narrative.

The whole story relies on you caring about Joel from the first game and being upset with Abbey. If that's not the case (which it wasn't for me) then the whole thing falls flat. The entire second half of the game becomes a tedious exercise in preaching to the choir.

 

[FingerBang]

None of that is true. It’s literally all about their relationship from Part 1.

The arc of the story is that Ellie knows Joel is lying to her about the hospital but can’t prove it. At first, it’s not that big of a deal. Hence the beautiful scene at the museum. They still have fun at times. (Plus teenagers tend to push away their parents for a few years anyways.)

Then she finds out the truth and gets mad at him, ignoring him until the night before his death, where she begins to forgive him. And then the entire time after Joel is killed, Ellie is self loathing and regretting wasting her time with Joel being mad at him. The point of the story is that if you spend all your time being mad at someone instead of forgiving them, you’ll probably regret it. Ellie knows she fucked up because she loved Joel and wishes she could go back and forgive him sooner. Its a beautiful melancholy tale with a relatable idea.

That’s why the last scene is the flashback of Ellie trying to forgive Joel, finally talking to him after like 2 years. Once you realize that was their last moment together before he was killed, you realize why Ellie was so angry the entire time afterwards. All the guilt. It’s a brilliant reveal at the end. Makes a second play so much more interesting.

It baffles me how people don't fucking get that point. The entire game, the entire desire for revenge is Ellie fucking trying to process wasting the time she had with Joel.

The scene where we find out hits so fucking hard. It makes many of the choices make sense in context. It also explains why she lets her go at the end. She fucking processes it and understand, as we do, what it was all about. It's about Ellie loving Joel so much to go and be a worse kind of monster than he ever was. And yet people are angry because the game apparently disrespects him.

I have only words of praise for THE BALLS Druckmann and co had to kill a character we all loved. And that includes him. I also think it's refreshing to see two female characters dealing with revenge. It's not perfect, but goddammit is it one of the best games I've ever played.

 

[kyliethicc]

It baffles me how people don't fucking get that point. The entire game, the entire desire for revenge is Ellie fucking trying to process wasting the time she had with Joel.

The scene where we find out hits so fucking hard. It makes many of the choices make sense in context. It also explains why she lets her go at the end. She fucking processes it and understand, as we do, what it was all about. It's about Ellie loving Joel so much to go and be a worse kind of monster than he ever was. And yet people are angry because the game apparently disrespects him.

I have only words of praise for THE BALLS Druckmann and co had to kill a character we all loved. And that includes him. I also think it's refreshing to see two female characters dealing with revenge. It's not perfect, but goddammit is it one of the best games I've ever played.

Well said.

What a game.

 

[Elder Legend]

If your into lesbian porn and chicks that look like dudes then absolutely yes.

On a serious note, this game has some amazing gameplay and visuals and should not be missed out.

 

[Topher]

If your into lesbian porn

Someone needs to watch some actual lesbian porn.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Someone needs to watch some actual lesbian porn.

I mean, Dina had a donk tho,

 

[ZoukGalaxy]

Yes, absolutely. If you loved the first, play it.

Don't listen to brainless haters.
People overreacting is the standard nowadays.

 

[kyliethicc]

I mean, Dina had a donk tho,

Would clap

 

[FingerBang]

Someone needs to watch some actual lesbian porn.

Am I the only one that the more I age, the more I find lesbian porn boring?
I dunno, I prefer some good solo. Unless it's something special like, hot teen fucked by stepmother after both find out they are on OnlyFans.

 

[Neff]

the problem is that TLOU2 completely warped the shit out of the narrative to make Joel seem like a bigger piece of shit than he actually was

We demonstrably see a better side of Joel in 2 than we do in 1.

 

[scydrex]

The gameplay is actually better than the first. For the gameplay and fidelity (notably the incredible animations) the game is well worth it.

But beware, story is horseshit.

The gameplay for me was the same with the addition of the prone position.

 

[thefool]

If you enjoyed the last one, definitely. It has the same strengths and problems.

 

[rofif]

No one can say it isn't a great game with great graphics and levels of polish.

You can argue about the story sure. Some love it some hate it.

I love it and loved the first game. Play it and see for yourselves. Something to remember is the leaks where often lies or taken completely out of context.

And even what's true is irrelevant until you see context.

yep. The fake out of context leaks completely ruined the game for many people.
I was super hyped and when I heard the "transgender" leaks and so on, I got burned and hype got destroyed.
I despised the game BEFORE I got my hands on it.
I got it on release anyway and hated it at first but after few hours, the hate just dropped, I opened myself to let the game take me for a rollercoaster and omg it did. Love it now.

edit: the cowardly LOL emoji reactions on post liking the game are why I hate the internet. I bet they have not even finished the game

 

[Fattious Floyd]

I really enjoyed it!

 

[J3nga]

I would give it a go if you liked the first one, it does stood out amongst all the endless open-world games we get these days in terms of being polished linnear, hand crafted single player experience. The environments are so well made you probably won't see anything close to it for years to come. I liked the combat, it's pretty much TLOU Part I on steroids, but that's where the buts start coming in. Characters are no way near as well made as in the first game, weak chemistry between them IMHO, don't expect Ellie-Joel level of chemistry and story just doesn't work IMHO. There is certainly fun to be had with this game it just didn't live up to my expectations in terms where the story would go. Most people either love or hate PART II, myself I do not hate it but I do not love it as much as Part I which is a masterpiece to me.

 

[John117]

TLOU Part 2 is a masterpiece. Seriously, you should buy it also for 70 dollars. Amazing game, that every gamer should play in his life

 

[elcapitano]

yep. The fake out of context leaks completely ruined the game for many people.
I was super hyped and when I heard the "transgender" leaks and so on, I got burned and hype got destroyed.
I despised the game BEFORE I got my hands on it.
I got it on release anyway and hated it at first but after few hours, the hate just dropped, I opened myself to let the game take me for a rollercoaster and omg it did. Love it now.

edit: the cowardly LOL emoji reactions on post liking the game are why I hate the internet. I bet they have not even finished the game

Spot on and one person being trans has literally nothing to do with the game other than making for a good believable storyline for that character and the ones they interact with

 

[Saucy Papi]

I really liked it to be honest. I thought the gameplay was much better than the first one and I thought the acting was really well done. I know there are some "woke" elements that may turn some people off but I personally didn't find them overbearing.

 

[Synless]

All I’ll say is I ended up liking Abby more than Ellie when it was all said and done.

 

[EverydayBeast]

Last of us 2 is declared a success.

 

[Saucy Papi]

All I’ll say is I ended up liking Abby more than Ellie when it was all said and done.

I liked her more just because you could simply crush everything you saw with her. A nice change of pace from Ellie.

 

[gow3isben]

Nah. Don't bother.

Also, Up yours Cuckman!

 

[35cent]

If you liked the first one then I would suggest you give the second one a go as well especially if it's only 20 quid. I thought the gameplay was fine but nothing special but the story was dreadful and the ending was a pile of shite but other people seem to have really enjoyed it.

 

[Hezekiah]

The story is too woke, pandering to the fringe idiots.

However it is a technical masterpiece - awesome graphics, satisfying gunplay and melee, and some incredibly detailed environments. And it's £17.49 on the Playstation Store for another few days, an absolute steal.

 

[Bernardougf]

Not really, that literally supports a debate was had on what he did at the end, it literally shows someone disagreed with what he did, other agreed etc. So....looking back at those debates proves people all didn't agree with 1 thing or the other or something. I mean, a poll was made? why? Doesn't that show you something was talked about, debated etc? So this isn't saying how much or to what degree someone sided with him, this is saying a view point against him and his actions existed regardless of how many, enough to debate and have many people talk about that ending, like a ton.

So...not sure what to say. Was talked about by many, Part 2 just has the same people still talking about if that was needed or not, it doesn't make something up or force some new narrative that wasn't already talked about or something.

Let's Talk About: The ending of The Last of Us

Let's Talk About... is an opinion series in which two members of Polygon's editorial team discuss an important game or topic. In this piece, Senior Reviewer Danielle Riendeau and Editor-at-Large...

www.polygon.com

ok but, that just shows we would have debated that with the first game, I did a ton as I started out agreeing with Joel and later after few playthroughs I actually sided against him and agreed with that maybe he could have did all that differently.



Not really. Its pretty straight forward.

He did things to people in Part 1, people came and did things to him in Part 2.

I even believed that would occur to him and actually thought

Marlene's family would come to kill him or something and I thought that for years as she is the last person he kills. I thought husband or son or cousin lol Regardless of how anyone feels about the story, the debate regarding his character's actions isn't new and was had for years after the first game, that isn't anything new with Part 2

Keep in mind, we don't even talk about the very ending of Part 2 anywhere NEAR as much as we talk about the ending of Part 1. I love the ending of Part 2 a lot, but the ending of 1 opens up so many questions into if it was right, wrong, could someone find him or Tommy or something and ending of Part 2 doeesn't really have those massive questions like 1 did, as to why most of this is talking about the beginning of 2 or ending of 1 more then ending of 2 or something.

So I won't get into a whole "majority sided with" BS, the point is that enough talked about it for it not to have this clear idea of right or wrong or something and was just as much debated as lots of Part 2 is. (something I love about both titles)



Have a good one.

Well you at least pass your points with education and try to bring discussion to the table, a lot different from many hardcore fans of the second game, lets agree on disagree on this one, nothing going or has to change your love for the game, or my hate for it, we all have our reasons... have a good one too my friend

 

[TacoSavage]

If only half the games had a fifth of the writing of this game I would be in a gaming utopia. Nothing in the gaming landscape comes close to the quality of narrative and delivery here. It’s like Pac-Man vs Half-life all to often.

preach bud, preach

I remember playing through it the first time (did three runs back to back) and it was one of the most profound gaming experiences I have ever had. Personally nothing rivals this game outside of Red Dead Redemption 2 and LOU1.

I cannot even fathom what ND will do on PS5 hardware. The way they build characters, the animations, the fluidity of movement and graphics, it's just on another level compared to the rest of the industry.

I remember playing as Abby in Seattle with all the rain and the dread of everything and just thinking how is this possible on ps4 hardware and just how invested I was in what I was doing. This game made me forget I was playing a videogame, it's a masterpiece for me personally top to bottom. I beat the game in two sittings and I will never forget that first playthrough. For those that managed to go into this completely oblivious to the leaks, you were in for one fucking wild ride, rare thing in this industry.

 

[DForce]

I watch many people stream this game over the past year and the majority of them liked it. It's always entertaining seeing people go through different emotions while playing this game.

 

[solidus12]

Do you like bigot sandwiches, op?

 

[Batiman]

It’s not a bad game. But I found it boring as hell compared to the original. The story and cutscenes feel super intrusive and killed the game for me. I just didn’t care about the characters. I’d put the game on late before bed and I swear there was times I didn’t get to do anything before I went to bed. It’s like I watched and episode or something

 

[Shmunter]

Edit: just posted this for the goty awards for lou2, only noticed the console war post text later, lol

 

[TMLT]

I thought it was pretty damn good personally. High 8 or low 9. Really beautiful looking with lots of intense moments. Its a shame that they had to stir up a bunch of controversy and distract from the actual quality of the game with dumb shit like having Abby be built like a fucking linebacker. I actually thought she was a decent character too outside of the needlessly stupid design, far more likeable than Ellie.

 

[Shmunter]

I thought it was pretty damn good personally. High 8 or low 9. Really beautiful looking with lots of intense moments. Its a shame that they had to stir up a bunch of controversy and distract from the actual quality of the game with dumb shit like having Abby be built like a fucking linebacker. I actually thought she was a decent character too outside of the needlessly stupid design, far more likeable than Ellie.

Her physique did work as the brutish contrast to Ellie’s nimble gameplay, like Joel basically. Was also striking to see her waste away to a frail thin shadow of herself towards the end of the game.

 

[kyliethicc]

Her physique did work as the brutish contrast to Ellie’s nimble gameplay, like Joel basically. Was also striking to see her waste away to a frail thin shadow of herself towards the end of the game.

Indeed. The visual difference between her at the start, middle, and end of the story is well done. Good character art design.

Also served to physically show her obsession with revenge over the years.

I thought it was pretty damn good personally. High 8 or low 9. Really beautiful looking with lots of intense moments. Its a shame that they had to stir up a bunch of controversy and distract from the actual quality of the game with dumb shit like having Abby be built like a fucking linebacker. I actually thought she was a decent character too outside of the needlessly stupid design, far more likeable than Ellie.

Well, funny you say a linebacker since she literally lived in the Seahawks’ stadium.

She had motive, time, access to an NFL gym, and plenty of food. Seemed natural to me. Bit exaggerated sure, but that’s just art. Like with the exaggerated blood spray when Ellie shoots people with her 9mm. It’s just like 10% extra for dramatic effect. Pure realism isn’t as entertaining.

 

[Javthusiast]

Obviously, it is game of the generation.

 

[kyliethicc]

Obviously, it is game of the generation.

Dat avatar

 

[rofif]

What is happening on this forum?
I responded to someone attacking, defended my opinion and got a fucking warning points ?!
How is "woke" discussion not allowed in tlou2 thread?! Cmon people let us speak freely. It's just the internet...
anyway (mods don't ban me)

 

[Guilty_AI]

What is happening on this forum?
I responded to someone attacking, defended my opinion and got a fucking warning points ?!
How is "woke" discussion not allowed in tlou2 thread?! Cmon people let us speak freely. It's just the internet...
anyway (mods don't ban me)

Didn't you call someone "you fucking troll" or something?

=//=

Meanwhile, op is the smart one and just left without ever looking back. Can't believe there are people who unironically think these 10 pages of "discussion" say anything about the game.

 

[Topher]

What is happening on this forum?
I responded to someone attacking, defended my opinion and got a fucking warning points ?!
How is "woke" discussion not allowed in tlou2 thread?! Cmon people let us speak freely. It's just the internet...
anyway (mods don't ban me)

I received notification that my posts were deleted but not a warning or any indication of points. Perhaps your tense conversation with Hezekiah was a factor?

 

[Hezekiah]

What is happening on this forum?
I responded to someone attacking, defended my opinion and got a fucking warning points ?!
How is "woke" discussion not allowed in tlou2 thread?! Cmon people let us speak freely. It's just the internet...
anyway (mods don't ban me)

Nobody was "attacking" you, you simply got triggered because I had a different opinion.

Time to grow up I think.

 

[rofif]

Didn't you call someone "you fucking troll" or something?

=//=

Meanwhile, op is the smart one and just left without ever looking back. Can't believe there are people who unironically think these 10 pages of "discussion" say anything about the game.

Yes because that is truth. He was just attacking and trolling with 0 arguments. And did not wanted to say any reasons when asked

 

[Neff]

What is happening on this forum?

GAF understandably wishes to avoid divisive political debate because it often goes nowhere and leads to people inevitably throwing shit at each other, but they should have made an exception for my post because it was really good.

 

[Crownttano]

My sister bought it for the same price too. Left it in the living room, mom came around and cleaned it. Still till this day she can't find where she put it. Never got to even open the case.

Guess even my mom hates The Last of Us Two
She did enjoy watching my sister play the first one though

 

[Javthusiast]

Dat avatar

Yours not so bad either my friend.

 

[Jaybe]

The only thing stopping me is the cut scenes (I've been told they're unskippable?). And no it's not some sort of anti-woke thing. I just don't enjoy cutscenes in games and always want to get right into the gameplay.

Yeah sounds weird considering this is basically The showcase for the best acting and animation in this industry, I've just never enjoyed stories in my games. I can't wait to skip em.

The cut scenes are skippable. What isn’t skippable are the slow walk chit chat gameplay sections. I believe after you finish the game, in addition to new game plus there is an Encounters mode that allows for replays of the combat situations.

 

[Catphish]

Meanwhile, op is the smart one and just left without ever looking back. Can't believe there are people who unironically think these 10 pages of "discussion" say anything about the game.

Oh, I'm looking. But arguing over games are a thing of my past. I just wanted opinions.