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[Bojanglez]

Again, it's not subjective. If Platform A does everything Platform B does but it also has additional features that Platform B doesn't have, Platform A is objectively better. There's no room for subjective opinion because you're simply comparing a feature list.

It also appears that my post requires further clarification. When I say "On a pure system level", I am specifically and only talking about the hardware and the feature set/services that come with the system. I intentionally exclude game offerings because that obviously is subjective.



No one's.

OK Timdog.

 

[Airbus Jr]

Huh? Moving the goalposts? Do you even know what that phrase means, because I'm literally arguing the exact same points as I did in the original posts which was a response to another user.

It makes complete sense to discuss the industry at large including sony's competitors when it charges additional fees. Either debate the points i'm making so we can have an actual discussion or stop responding to my posts, please.

You know what you sounds familiar now to me

You kinda remind me the guy who made over 20,000 post in less then a year on Gamespot System Wars back then

Prob the same person who knows

 

[Rykan]

OK Timdog.

Point specifically to any points i've made that differ from the points I made previously.

I expect another troll response with no substance.

You know what you sounds familiar now to me

You kinda remind me the guy who made over 20,000 post on Gamespot System Wars back then

Prob the same person who knows

I've never been a part of Gamespot's forum. Gaf is the first forum I participate in since Gametrailers.com shut down.

 

[Airbus Jr]

Point specifically to any points i've made that differ from the points I made previously.

I expect another troll response with no substance.



I've never been a part of Gamespot's forum. Gaf is the first forum I participate in since Gametrailers.com shut down.

Ok

Hail Xbox

Xbox the greatest

Xbox4life

Happy now? Mm?

 

[rkofan87]

and its not 10$ its 20$ i will pay but f that.

 

[fersnake]

dont see any issue here im buying the ps5 version xD

 

[Bojanglez]

Point specifically to any points i've made that differ from the points I made previously.

I expect another troll response with no substance.

You made a list of points relating to your own flakey definition of 'system level' features, the list itself was cherry picked to back up your opinion in an attempt to present it as some kind of objective fact.

Someone with the time or inclination could just as easily list a load of things that the PS5 does/offers that they feel is better than the XSX.

It's pointless and has derailed the thread from the actual discussion.

 

[KaiserBecks]

I was told Smart Delivery is nothing new and actually just a stupid marketing term. So, paying 10 bucks is the new "Cross buy"?

 

[sainraja]

It's not a separate topic at all, this is about having to pay 10 to upgrade from the PS4 to PS5 version.

They should both cost the same, it's the same game for crying out loud. You fanboys will literally accept anything. You explain to me why the PS5 version should cost more?

Stop making it about fanboyism. Why can't you discuss the price increase without pulling out the fanboy card?

Game prices went up from PS2/XBX ($49.99) → to PS3/X360 ($59.99). This generation the prices went up from $59.99 → $69.99. Pointing this out does not make someone a fanboy or even mean that they want to pay more. The person you are arguing with, most likely wouldn't mind paying less for games. He's just pointing out the prices just went up which you are well aware of. Sony has pretty much adopted the new industry price; sure we don't have to like it but it's the reality.

Microsoft is the only outlier right now. Not many of you recall this but they also use to charge only $49.99 for their first party games but that didn't last long. Now they have something else to push for so they will likely continue to be an outlier.

 

[Rykan]

You made a list of points relating to your own flakey definition of 'system level' features, the list itself was cherry picked to back up your opinion in an attempt to present it as some kind of objective fact.

Someone with the time or inclination could just as easily list a load of things that the PS5 does/offers that they feel is better than the XSX.

It's pointless and has derailed the thread from the actual discussion.

How is it a flakey definition? What could "on a pure system level" mean anything other than the hardware and feature set? I literally clarified what I meant by it in the exact same post.

No, someone can't "just as easily" list a load of features that the PS5 does or does better because the PS5 either doesn't have an equivalent to a feature i've mentioned or it does it straight up worse. Nothing about it is cherry picked. The only feature you could possibly mention is the controller, which is neat. Of course you could disprove this by actually providing a list of comparable features of the PS5, but oh look, you've already covered yourself in by adding " Someone with the time or inclination" Which let me guess, means not you, right?

The series X does have a better feature set than the PS5 does and you know this. Your response isn't based on rational thought, its just silly fanboy nonsense.

 

[kyliethicc]

Here's why Sony aren't offering any PS4 to PS5 upgrade path for Horizon FW... yet.

They will make the only PS4 to PS5 upgrade path be the $30 Director's Cut upgrade. (Just like they did with Ghost of Tsushima.) In Fall 2022 or Spring 2023, Sony will announce Horizon Forbidden West Director's Cut for PS5 only. It will have a new singleplayer DLC expansion.

It will cost $30 to upgrade from the Horizon Forbidden West (PS4) to Horizon Forbidden West Director's Cut (PS5). It will cost $20 to upgrade from the Horizon Forbidden West (PS5) to Horizon Forbidden West Director's Cut (PS5). Its all part of their plan to get $80-$100 per person from the game. They'll hold back the upgrade path until the DLC is ready. Easy way to make money.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

WTF happened to PlayStation? They’re squandering 7 years of goodwill and reputation.

 

[ArtHands]

I too love paying $80 for the edition for dual entitlement. In fact I wouldn’t mind if they scrap dual entitlement from all of the editions and force us to double dip full price twice for PS4 and PS5 versions.

Sony if you are smart you should do this. Make us pay full price twice

 

[Oddvintagechap]

Name a $70 Sony game that works like this.

Hint: HFW digital version that comes with both is $80+

Ghost of Tsushima. The game needs multiplayer for this to matter. Also a bunch of consoles.

Sackboy I can play with my gf since I gave her one of my PS4 Pros. I dont have to lose my PS5 as my primary console. Since I can make them both my primary console. Normally you would have to give the other person the primary console, while your console basically only your account can play your games.

Point is it benfits me that Playstation distinguishes PS5 and PS4 as two completely different platforms. Another benefit is you can play PS4 version of Ghost of Tsushima on a harddrive, while the PS5 version you can not. They both basically run the same on PS5. 4K 60fps. So im going back to the PS4 version to get double trophies. While ignoring the PS5 version.

So this benefits alot. Since I dont give a fuck about 10 dollars. But I can see if your financially wounded this sucks. But gamepass existed before PS5/Series X got announced… so if you care about saving money.. Xbox was always the place to go. I wouldnt play on Xbox if it was entirely free. Money isnt a issue for me. Time is.

 

[ManaByte]

WTF happened to PlayStation? They’re squandering 7 years of goodwill and reputation.

 

[Spukc]

Why play this game on ps5 anyway.
It is made for ps4

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Fucking LOL.

Sony, WTF are you doing? This is not a good look.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Ghost of Tsushima. The game needs multiplayer for this to matter. Also a bunch of consoles.

Sackboy I can play with my gf since I gave her one of my PS4 Pros. I dont have to lose my PS5 as my primary console. Since I can make them both my primary console. Normally you would have to give the other person the primary console, while your console basically only your account can play your games.

Fair enough on Ghosts DC I guess.

Sackboy was never a $70 game though.... it did have dual entitlement, but it was priced like a PS4 game for good reason lol

I have also argued that digital games do have that extra value; so I'm with you on that.. I am all digital and my wife who plays even more than me never has to buy the same games.

Just gets a bit messy to remember which account to buy under lol

But either way, part of the issue with this new Horizon release is the $70 version does not come w/ a PS4 copy. Only the $80+ ones do... not that they have TOO MANY more cross gen releases.. but it's them just inching up pricing even more.

Which I don't find personally to be a big deal.. I'm not a poor.. but it's not really what Sony promissed.

 

[Jaysen]

GTFO with your common sense. In here we trash Sony for wanting money from their work.

If you’re not getting paid to do that stupid shit, you should rethink your life choices.

 

[anothertech]

It should be 59 standard version, 69 digital deluxe that offers both.

80 is just silly

 

[Adam_802]

LMAO, woof for sony fans

 

[LiquidMetal14]

PS5 pre order confirmed.

 

[NeonGhost]

Will wait for a sale

 

[Adam_802]

 

[sendit]

There is probably some costs involved but probably not a 16% increase in development costs.

Cost to develop a title is hardly ever in line with the MSRP cost of a game. Take Madden for example. Fully priced at 70 dollars for the next gen version. The point is, extra development time was needed to account for additional features added.

 

[saintjules]

Not to say I anticpated this, but it could technically be a good reason to be an early adopter. Now I don't have to worry about trying to find a PS5.

 

[Darlingcognito]

$145 Aus dollars holy shit

 

[kyliethicc]

Not to say I anticpated this, but it could technically be a good reason to be an early adopter. Now I don't have to worry about trying to find a PS5.

The HFW Director's Cut will be the upgrade path.

 

[Ozriel]

GTFO with your common sense. In here we trash Sony for wanting money from their work.

You would have been up in arms if Capcom charged an extra $10 for DualSense support in RE Village.
I love how other 3rd party devs are encouraged to add in features like DualSense haptic feedback etc for the next generation versions, but when it comes to Sony, folks jump out of the woodwork to insist that adding DualSense support and upping resolution = $10.

Maybe more devs should ‘want money for their work’ too?

 

[oagboghi2]

Sony will continue to do this because their fans will defend anything they do. After they tried to paint the terrible GOT upgrade path as a positive I realized with a company who has as many loyal fans as sony, its a losing battle to even try to jump into the short term by pointing out bad business practices. They think because they make good games it gives them a pass to have shitty practices.

Sony fans will defend it because it is logical.

Are you really this desperate for 10 dollars?

You would have been up in arms if Capcom charged an extra $10 for DualSense support in RE Village.
I love how other 3rd party devs are encouraged to add in features like DualSense haptic feedback etc for the next generation versions, but when it comes to Sony, folks jump out of the woodwork to insist that adding DualSense support and upping resolution = $10.

Maybe more devs should ‘want money for their work’ too?

This logic makes no sense.

 

[phil_t98]

For the players……….sorry………For the profits

the same people who were in the threads bragging about the amount of money Sony Is making and the profits they are making are now defending a decision based purely to get more money out of them, go figure

 

[Bojanglez]

Ok so we're doing this?

How is it a flakey definition? What could "on a pure system level" mean anything other than the hardware and feature set? I literally clarified what I meant by it in the exact same post.

You said....

It also appears that my post requires further clarification. When I say "On a pure system level", I am specifically and only talking about the hardware and the feature set/services that come with the system. I intentionally exclude game offerings because that obviously is subjective.

and listed these things....

Paying 10$ less for first party content or being able to access it through gamepass is objectively better

If all equal yes, but this is subject to the quality of first party games. Also isn't 'first party content' game offerings? Either way it doesn't feel like a feature set/ service that comes with the system, seems more like a business decision that could change at any minute if MS decided to.

So is getting a PC version included in your purchase with cross save.

Agreed, totally better than nothing in this regard which is Sony's approach, but this is not system level, this is a business decision. Unless maybe your definition of the system actually extends to the Xbox ecosystem, in which case then yes.

So is automatically downloading the correct version of your game and not having to deal with weird save transfer systems.

Sometimes things go wrong with XB cloud saves and there is seemingly no way to go into the cloud saves and manage them. You have to keep deleting local saves on one device and restarting and closing games on another to hope that the magic cloud system picks up and handles the right version. Granted this is very rare, but it has happened a few times for me on my son's Minecraft saves and it is infuriating. So again this is subjective.

So is getting 3 generations of Backwards compatibility with enhancements and framerate boosts as opposed to just one.

Yes, I agree. Sony need to find a PS3 solution other than PS Now. Some people will value this and others won't buy a £450 system to play old games.

So is quick resume.

Quick resume is currently a buggy mess. They are better off taking this out until it works in a reliable manner. Nothing more infuriating than thinking you can rely on it then randomly for some games it reboots. When it works it is great, but it doesn't always, so may as well not (in my opinion).

So is being to able to continue playing your games on the go with Xcloud.

Xcloud is limited to playing a subset of games that are on Gamepass. PS Now offers more games available to stream and you can continue from the same save. Xcloud offers more device support. It is subjective as to which is better depending on the use case of the user.

So is having an actual quiet system instead of the coil whine fest that is the PS5.

This may vary from user to user, both my XSX and PS5 are whisper quiet. I'm not aware of any large scale studies that show noise emitted by either console for any reason is greater that the other.

Saying that the Series X is a better system on a pure system level shouldn't be controversial

It's not controversial. But it is not fact. It is an opinion that some people may hold.

No, someone can't "just as easily" list a load of features that the PS5 does or does better because the PS5 either doesn't have an equivalent to a feature i've mentioned or it does it straight up worse. Nothing about it is cherry picked. The only feature you could possibly mention is the controller, which is neat. Of course you could disprove this by actually providing a list of comparable features of the PS5, but oh look, you've already covered yourself in by adding " Someone with the time or inclination" Which let me guess, means not you, right?

OK I'll bite....

PS5 is objectively better
- Wifi 6 support
- 4x USB ports (3x 10Gbps support)
- Internal SSD Speed
- OS User interface in 4K (Xbox will soon I guess)

PS5 is subjectively better (but by your definition objectively)
- Support for Dualsense controller (as you mentioned)
- No need to ever buy batteries or charging packs for controllers
- Manual cloud save storage management (this for me is subjectively better for me)
- Remote play of PS5 games (on PS4 consoles)
- Share play
- Extension of next gen storage up to 4TB using standard off the shelf SSD technologies
- supports PSVR
- Ability to share multiple screenshots to Twitter in a single post from the OS
- Game hints
- Ability to earn trophies
- cross buy (open to publishers)
- separate SKUs for next gen titles (subjectively better for me as I get a new trophy list)

I can list things that you missed off in relation to XSX that I believe are better than PS5 at the moment too. My point is that the things in my second list and your list are still largely subjective and a simple list comparing two things can be interpreted differently unless it is objective facts like storage capacity, SSD speed, resolution and supported media etc. I accept things like VRR are currently lacking on PS5, it is objectively worse in that respect, but not everyone has the same value system, people will not just add all the + points up for each system and then choose the one with the most +s as some are more important in a games console than others, and that importance will vary from person to person.

Remember you also said

Again, it's not subjective. If Platform A does everything Platform B does but it also has additional features that Platform B doesn't have, Platform A is objectively better. There's no room for subjective opinion because you're simply comparing a feature list.

As a thought experiment, imagine a car with all the best features you could ever imagine on it. In a list of features on paper it beats any other car in the world, but in reality you may end up with this....

The series X does have a better feature set than the PS5 does and you know this. Your response isn't based on rational thought, its just silly fanboy nonsense.

I know that I have my own opinions and I believe they may sometimes differ from yours. I'm not willing to impose my opinions as facts on others, people are free to believe in what they want. People are free to have their own value systems and should spend their money accordingly.


This brings us back in topic I think

 

[Sir Vilhelm]

Xcloud is limited to playing a subset of games that are on Gamepass. PS Now offers more games available to stream and you can continue from the same save. Xcloud offers more device support. It is subjective as to which is better depending on the use case of the user.

XCloud may be but Xbox does support remote play for anything you have installed on your console. No limitations

 

[Connxtion]

Gif isn’t aimed at you. (Just for this thread)

XCloud may be but Xbox does support remote play for anything you have installed on your console. No limitations

Only drawback to local streaming (works anywhere actually) 360 and OG games can’t be played unfortunately. Will tell you they can’t be played in streaming mode.

 

[Bojanglez]

XCloud may be but Xbox does support remote play for anything you have installed on your console. No limitations

Yeah both consoles support remote play I think now, MS recently added it. Sony had it since 2014 I think.

Xbox is limited to phone and tablet only at the moment I think, whereas PS allows phone, tablet, PC & Mac, you can also remote play PS5 on a PS4.

PS allows you to play any games installed on your system, whereas XB currently excludes back-compat titles from 360 and OG Xbox. So effective parity in that respect.

​

 

[Sir Vilhelm]

Gif isn’t aimed at you. (Just for this thread)

Only drawback to local streaming (works anywhere actually) 360 and OG games can’t be played unfortunately. Will tell you they can’t be played in streaming mode.

Hmmmm, had no idea

 

[akaFullmetal]

That really sucks.

 

[Agent X]

Extra......fucking.....poses.....for.....photo.....mode.....

What in the fucking world Hahaha this is peak. I can't even fathom that photo modes now have exclusive dlc content.

What a fuxking mess.

This isn't unusual. For many years, purchasing the "deluxe edition" or "collector's edition" of certain games would award exclusive in-game items like costumes, character skins, vehicles, weapons, etc., which weren't readily available in the standard package. The only difference is that they're doing this with poses for photo mode.

It's a weird thing for them to be promoting, and they could've made them available to all users without affecting gameplay, but the same could be said for other cosmetic items that I mentioned above.

 

[Magnific0giganticus]

Sony is the most anti consumer in gaming landscape right now

I agree this is anti-consumer but that title still belongs to Nintendo by a mile.

 

[Shmunter]

So anyone today on PS4 buying the standard edition, will need to pay and extra $30 when they are ready to go PS5. Holy monkey balls, that’s even worse than GOT as Horizon won’t give you dlc.

Or am I missing something?

Edit: I am missing something, it’s $20 to go ultimate - assuming they’ll allow it and not force an entire repurchase.

 

[Allandor]

Nah, that's just a marketing trick. Now they're in a bit bad light but if they change this in the future they will be the savior of video games.

 

[BiohazardX95]

So anyone today on PS4 buying the standard edition, will need to pay and extra $30 when they are ready to go PS5. Holy monkey balls, that’s even worse than GOT as Horizon won’t give you dlc.

Or am I missing something?

No, they need to Buy the digital deluxe or the colllectors/regalia edition from the start to have both, if You Buy HFW for ps4 then You will have to pay again (70) for the ps5 one because there is no upgrade path...

 

[Exanthus]

somehow you are still confused.

It really doesn't take much lol

 

[Darlingcognito]

Gets funnier, they're charging for extra photo mode poses

 

[Shmunter]

No, they need to Buy the digital deluxe or the colllectors/regalia edition from the start to have both, if You Buy HFW for ps4 then You will have to pay again (70) for the ps5 one because there is no upgrade path...

Hahah, for absolutely no reason whatsoever except 1. Money, money, money, lots money, mamma Mia!

 

[saintjules]

From spider-man's puddles to nemesis' teeth, to director's cuts, to this

 

[hemo memo]

 

[Fbh]

This just reinforces what I've said in other similar threads. Sony is basically another Nintendo now. A shitty company you put up with because they make awesome games.

Next gen fucking sucks.
You've got PC which is great but hardware prices are ridiculous right now.
Sony with this type of Nintendo tier stuff and horrible regional pricing (Ps5 is still $750 here while XSX is priced at a reasonable $550)
And MS which I'd like to support but just don't make a lot of games that appeal to me.

 

[noise36]

Sonys anti-consumer behaviors are disgraceful.

 

[Three]

I think this attitude is silly. Buy the version you need/want. It's so friggin simple. Yes the PS5 version is more, but it's also more work to create a PS5 game (higher poly models, higher res textures, it simply takes more time and resources, period). This just doesn't bother me.

it will all be forgotten in a year or two when the PS4 is basically dead and buried too, so all this faux outrage is energy poorly spent. And if you actually ARE outraged by charging more for a better and more advanced piece of software ... not sure what to say.

I pay yearly software licenses for some products, over 100 dollars a year in some cases for things like an IDE. And I have multiple software products I do this with. Paying an extra ten dollars to forever own the better version of a game is nothing.

I will buy the PS5 version but it is silly that buying the PS5 version doesn't get you the PS4 version too.