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And yet Sony raise prices on PSN without much more value and PS games are not even Day 1 on the subscription. Yeah, no. Sorry Jimmy.

Here is an idea though Jimmy, when are you going to have an exciting 1st party showcase to show me your "PSN Value" instead? The Last showcase was riddled with nonsense and not a Naughty Dog or Sony Sants Monica game in sight.

Cause right now a ton of GAAS titles with CG trailers is not value.

Well... that's kind of his point.

The fact that Sony has to increase pricing to make the economics of their service work---a service they'll clearly not all-in on like MS, and therefore unwilling to make a loss on---despite PSN+ being perceived as an arguably inferior service in terms of the offering, only goes to show that MS is hemorrhaging cash on GP and that their business model with the current subscriber numbers just isn't sustainable.

It's all well and good to think that GP is the Best Deal In Gaming™ right now, but if the economics of the service don't work and it's not sustainable, then your enjoyment of it will be short-lived.

 

[graywolf323]

Do you agree that it sounds like some fucking cult repeating the mantra?
Do you really have that many talks in real life where people try to persuade you that Toyota is objectively the best value car in the world?
Seems this shit only comes from one type of people in these forums, I'll be honest with you. It's vomit inducing, feels like I'm being actively advertised to and my adblock is not working right.

To be crystal clear, if you need to constantly jump in on any unrelated topic to say how X or Y is the best value, you're a fucking douche. (not you specifically, the general "you")

Xbox Game Pass is the best value in gaming!™

 

[hussar16]

First party sony says yet give up on titles like the order 1886 which could have Ben a huge franchise

 

[ByWatterson]

Of course you can. It's called Elder Scrolls VI, Fable 2, Gears of War 6, State of Decay 3, IO Interactive Fantasy New IP, Fallout 5, indiana Jones, DOOM Year Zero, and more.

Now if those games are not your cup of tea then that's a different story.

Do I even need to point out what's wrong with this?

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Of course you can. It's called Elder Scrolls VI, Fable 2, Gears of War 6, State of Decay 3, IO Interactive Fantasy New IP, Fallout 5, indiana Jones, DOOM Year Zero, and more.

Now if those games are not your cup of tea then that's a different story.

Rather *buy* Gears and Doom.

 

[Elder Legend]

Rather *buy* Gears and Doom.

You realize that just because it's on Game Pass doesn't mean you cannot buy it though right ? Do people forget thst Game Pass games can be purchased? I purchased Starfield and Sea of Thieves. People are either forgetful, trolling or just plain dumb.

Any product that is part of Game Pass is purchasable separately... why are you all acting like these games are just locked to a subscription service when they are not and you simply have the will of free choice? Lol.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

You realize that just because it's on Game Pass doesn't mean you cannot buy it though right ? Do people forget thst Game Pass games can be purchased? I purchased Starfield and Sea of Thieves. People are either forgetful, trolling or just plain dumb.

Any product that is part of Game Pass is purchasable separately... why are you all acting like these games are just locked to a subscription service when they are not and you simply have the will of free choice? Lol.

I didn't say I couldn't....

If MS has it way though, I won't be able to.

 

[Elder Legend]

I didn't say I couldn't....

If MS has it way though, I won't be able to.

Why would MS not want you to purchase their game for $69.99? And what way MS would have it, not be able to sell you their first party produxt at full price? Ok. Dude if you are going to troll then make it at least less obvious.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Why would MS not want you to purchase their game for $69.99? And what way MS would have it, not be able to sell you their first party produxt at full price? Ok. Dude if you are going to troll then make it at least less obvious.

MS has shown there cards.
Threads topics like this,trying to buy Nintendo,wanting to put Sony out of business,pushing digital only and the shit they tried pulling at launch of the xbo are just some examples of this.

Look another defender crying the troll card when he doesn't like what he hears.

 

[Sanepar]

You realize that just because it's on Game Pass doesn't mean you cannot buy it though right ? Do people forget thst Game Pass games can be purchased? I purchased Starfield and Sea of Thieves. People are either forgetful, trolling or just plain dumb.

Any product that is part of Game Pass is purchasable separately... why are you all acting like these games are just locked to a subscription service when they are not and you simply have the will of free choice? Lol.

Now you can let see in the future if the option to buy the game will still be there.

 

[Jboemios]

It is insane that there are people that really believe that Playstation service is superior to Gamepass

 

[dotnotbot]

You realize that just because it's on Game Pass doesn't mean you cannot buy it though right ? Do people forget thst Game Pass games can be purchased? I purchased Starfield and Sea of Thieves. People are either forgetful, trolling or just plain dumb.

Any product that is part of Game Pass is purchasable separately... why are you all acting like these games are just locked to a subscription service when they are not and you simply have the will of free choice? Lol.

Yeah, except Microsoft is now forcing absurd pricing on their first party games to force you into Gamepass. Failure jak Redfall should be on discount since launch, yet it stays at rock solid $70:

The above is for Xbox but it's the same on Steam. Choice and consumer friendly my ass. Even Diablo 4 already had some discounts.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

It is insane that there are people that really believe that Playstation service is superior to Gamepass

It's insane to say otherwise as if it's a fact.
Consumers have opinions and nobody is right.

 

[Jboemios]

It's insane to say otherwise as if it's a fact.
Consumers have opinions and nobody is right.

One service offers third and first party games day one, the other dont. if you try to tell me that the service that offers less value is better, I will call you insane or fanboy.

 

[dotnotbot]

One service offers third and first party games day one, the other dont. if you try to tell me that the service that offers less value is better, I will call you insane or fanboy.

Games aren't an investment, value is the subjective quality of games and selection and not the price of included games.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

One service offers third and first party games day one, the other dont. if you try to tell me that the service that offers less value is better, I will call you insane or fanboy.

I don't sub to either but find PS + Premium to have more modern AAA/better games.

IMO

 

[Jboemios]

Games aren't an investment, value is the subjective quality of games and selection and not the price of included games.

I am not comparing PS first party vs Xbox first party, that is subjective. I am comparing the value of PSN vs Gamepass.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

I didn't say I couldn't....

If MS has it way though, I won't be able to.

MS... doesn't want you to buy their games? Then why are they all available outside of GamePass? Why does MS claim GamePass will always be around 10-15% of their revenue? Doesn't sound like they want to block you from buying their games.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

I am not comparing PS first party vs Xbox first party, that is subjective. I am comparing the value of PSN vs Gamepass.

The games are what decide the value...

MS... doesn't want you to buy their games? Then why are they all available outside of GamePass? Why does MS claim GamePass will always be around 10-15% of their revenue? Doesn't sound like they want to block you from buying their games.

Wasn't what I originally said and I responded already.

 

[Jboemios]

The games are what decide the value...

Wasn't what I originally said and I responded already.

The games that comes to one service one or more years later. Funny

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

The games that comes to one service one or more years later. Funny

So people only use the service for day one releases?
People can't choose a service with (what they think is) a better catalog of games?
Besides... afaik some games do come to PS+ Premium day one and I know that some games don't come to GP day one.

 

[dotnotbot]

I am not comparing PS first party vs Xbox first party, that is subjective. I am comparing the value of PSN vs Gamepass.

But as I said, value is subjective, it's about which service has games you prefer in the first place, not the amount of day 1 releases or if there are any. What's the value of day 1 release if I don't want to play it? Zero.

And both services include a lot of first party games so you can't compare value of their services without comparing the quality of first party content.

 

[Jboemios]

So people only use the service for day one releases?
People can't choose a service with (what they think is) a better catalog of games?
Besides... afaik some games do come to PS+ Premium day one and I know that some games don't come to GP day one.

You can count with your hand the number of third party games launched day one in PSN ( I believe that are less than five). The third party games are about the same, but Gamepass launch third party day one (this month alone they launched Lies of P, Payday 3, sea of stars). And I am not even couting the others perks like PC game pass, streaming to cellphone and TV.

But as I said, value is subjective, it's about which service has games you prefer in the first place, not the amount of day 1 releases or if there are any. What's the value of day 1 release if I don't want to play it? Zero.

And both services include a lot of first party games so you can't compare value of their services without comparing the quality of first party content.

Imagine an xbox fanboy trying to argue 6 years ago that Xbox first party are better than PS games, because he value more Halo or gears.

 

[Fishels]

Of course you can. It's called Elder Scrolls VI, Fable 2, Gears of War 6, State of Decay 3, IO Interactive Fantasy New IP, Fallout 5, indiana Jones, DOOM Year Zero, and more.

Now if those games are not your cup of tea then that's a different story.

I mean none of those games are out bro. So let’s wait and see how they measure up and if MS is willing to lose the money on them. Or if they can get so many subs it doesn’t matter. Or if price changes to make more money.

Or of course a mixture of these outcomes.

Also about third party games. Some seem to love Gamepass and some don’t.

 

[ByWatterson]

One service offers third and first party games day one, the other dont. if you try to tell me that the service that offers less value is better, I will call you insane or fanboy.

Yeah, but....the Sony first-party offerings available are much, much better than anything Microsoft is currently putting out so.....

 

[Fishels]

Also just to be clear I’m definitely not defending Sony raising prices. In specific the base PS PLUS increase is outrageous. I am not a subscription guy I prefer to buy games here and there and own them forever. At least as much as I can “own” a game nowadays

 

[Jboemios]

Yeah, but....the Sony first-party offerings available are much, much better than anything Microsoft is currently putting out so.....

At least a year later, so....

 

[MasterCornholio]

There’s barely any reason for me to put a disc in my ps5. GoT? Demons Souls?

I'm not sure but I keep finding games to put in mine. Its like I walk into a store or browse amazon and find them. But maybe I'm not putting games into my PS5 since that shouldn't be possible.

I'm sure I'm not the only one doing this.

 

[Dream-Knife]

These 3rd person, graphically beautiful narrative rich games will continue to be the bedrock of our first party publishing business."

It's almost like he is aware of the meme.

reflecting our confidence in the long-term installed base of PS5, as well as the fact that those games will make their way to PC.

I'm starting to think Bryank wasn't so crazy. Lmao.

 

[DenchDeckard]

People still act like there's no other option but game pass. Wanna buy a game....buy the game.

I'm actually shocked that he says Sony will continue to make these third person graphically impressive narrative games. It's like he's admitting that they've found a formula that works and is guiding studios to make those.

No thinking out of the box?

Just make games that any one can play through that have good graphics and shit loads of acted cutscenes to make people feel like they are witnessing greatness.

 

[MasterCornholio]

People still act like there's no other option but game pass. Wanna buy a game....buy the game.

Well that's what I do and some people say that I'm wasting my money.



I don't really see it that way because gamepass isn't the answer to everything. I'm sure plenty of devs still like it when people buy their games.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Well that's what I do and some people say that I'm wasting my money.



I don't really see it that way because gamepass isn't the answer to everything. I'm sure plenty of devs still like it when people buy their games.

That's the beautiful thing about opinions. Someone can think you're wasting money buying games and you can feel happy knowing your not, if game pass isn't appealing to you.

 

[MasterCornholio]

That's the beautiful thing about opinions. Someone can think you're wasting money buying games and you can feel happy knowing your not, if game pass isn't appealing to you.

Yep and they suffer because they can't change me.

Muahahahahaha

Just kidding but it feels good to buy games that I believe are worth it. Not everything appears on gamepass and just sticking to that would severely limit my options. All games are for sale though either physically and/or digitally.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Yep and they suffer because they can't change me.

Muahahahahaha

Just kidding but it feels good to buy games that I believe are worth it. Not everything appears on gamepass and just sticking to that would severely limit my options. All games are for sale though either physically and/or digitally.

I'm exactly the same. I have gamepass because I see it's worth to me, but I still buy games that I really want.

I have kids now, gamepass is a blessing for myself thx to first party ms and lots of family games we can all play as well.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

It's almost like he is aware of the meme.


I'm starting to think Bryank wasn't so crazy. Lmao.

Honestly it's only a meme if they were shit not GOTY-level. And about PC approach, it's safe and meaningful at the moment. Some games deserve to be day one on PC as well like Destiny and similar games.

 

[ByWatterson]

At least a year later, so....

As I said:

But the immediacy only matters if the games are both plentiful and good. And they're neither.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

"According to a newly published Xbox slide deck from the FTC v Microsoft federal case, Xbox Game Pass generated an average of $9.26 per subscription

Xbox Game Pass made $230 million revenue in one month, most users pay for full subscriptions

Microsoft reveals a rare look at concrete Xbox Game Pass earnings, with the subscription breaking $230 million in subscriber revenues in a month's time.

www.tweaktown.com

How is this calculated? Doesn’t it include all the DLC purchases for games available on GP or even the games themselves (can you even buy a game outright that is available via GP)?

 

[Little Chicken]

So many gold medal mental gymnasts trying to discredit Game Pass for some reason.

You can tell who has never used the service.

 

[DenchDeckard]

How is this calculated? Doesn’t it include all the DLC purchases for games available on GP or even the games themselves (can you even buy a game outright that is available via GP)?

Say, it does include the dlc purchases and special offers for new members it just reinforces that it drives activity on your platform. Which to businesses now is one of their biggest KPIs.

So 25 million x 10 x 12. A nice 3 billion a year.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Say, it does include the dlc purchases and special offers for new members it just reinforces that it drives activity on your platform. Which to businesses now is one of their biggest KPIs.

So 25 million x 10 x 12. A nice 3 billion a year.

Ok, can’t you say the uptick of GP revenue is offset by loss on retail first party games? Since way less people will buy games for $70 if they can just power through it in 1 month GP.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Say, it does include the dlc purchases and special offers for new members it just reinforces that it drives activity on your platform. Which to businesses now is one of their biggest KPIs.

So 25 million x 10 x 12. A nice 3 billion a year.

Not to businesses, to MS, MS needs either to gobble the entire industry up or share it… hence why price raises and a lot more pervasive GaaS + micro transactions will be in games to compensate (if this took hold).

 

[Panajev2001a]

Yep and they suffer because they can't change me.

Muahahahahaha

Just kidding but it feels good to buy games that I believe are worth it. Not everything appears on gamepass and just sticking to that would severely limit my options. All games are for sale though either physically and/or digitally.

Agreed but as the price of the subscription inevitably increases it will be more and more difficult for games to justify a sale outside of the service on top of those consumers that more and more will see games as having little value in and of themselves (look at the App Store… land of subscriptions and micro transactions and ads).

 

[Tchu-Espresso]

It is insane that there are people that really believe that Playstation service is superior to Gamepass

It’s the only one which will survive.

 

[Tams]

Now there's a proper head of a business division, and dare I say one who even cares about and understands (no idea if he actually likes and does) computer gaming.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

I already see these kinds of replies from gamers. More and more refuse to pay full price for games and want everything super cheap while offering them 50+ hours of entertainment. Games aren't judged on their quality, but to a "price per hours" value. It is changing the way games are being made. I watched the same happen with mobile games before they went Freemium and I am seeing the same results.

This is false, I'm afraid. For as long as I've been ordering games online and reading about them on forums, gamers have been absolutely committed to paying as little as possible for their games and debating the value in the pricing.

Gamers have talked about the value of games relentlessly, from play time to comparing games to other mediums - how much does it cost to watch a movie per hour vs how much a game costs. Why Ocarina of Time is such good value when you can play it for days versus something that can be completed in a few hours.

Gamers are obsessed with value, ratings, stats, arguing and bad faith statements. Gamepass has not changed anything in that regard.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Now there's a proper head of a business division, and dare I say one who even cares about and understands (no idea if he actually likes and does) computer gaming.

The guy been there since 1994 and enjoyed success through the ranks. He knows what works and what flops. Also there is way less wiggle room for any shit moves for him at the helm vs Phil that is running the Xbox brand into vanishing by 2027 with his lunatic strategy backed by Satya that gave him this deadline.

 

[Panajev2001a]

This is false, I'm afraid. For as long as I've been ordering games online and reading about them on forums, gamers have been absolutely committed to paying as little as possible for their games and debating the value in the pricing.

Gamers have talked about the value of games relentlessly, from play time to comparing games to other mediums - how much does it cost to watch a movie per hour vs how much a game costs. Why Ocarina of Time is such good value when you can play it for days versus something that can be completed in a few hours.

Gamers are obsessed with value, ratings, stats, arguing and bad faith statements. Gamepass has not changed anything in that regard.

Not yet, but the point is not gamers trying to get things as cheap as possible… plenty of people spend a thousand dollars on a phone and then refuse to buy apps or games because… they have been conditioned to think that it is how those things should cost while Apple has convinced them that their HW is worth its asking price (they keep increasing it and people keep buying it).
So, you are missing the point.

 

[Tams]

Forza Horizon series, Age of Empires, FlightSim, Starfield

Forza: Good game.

Age of Empires: It's 4, which has almost none of the heart of an Age of Empires game. Also, they've refused to release numbers for it.

Flight Sim: Incredible sim. They release new planes at a glacial rate and it doesn't seem to have 'sold' too well.

Starfield: ...

 

[DenchDeckard]

Ok, can’t you say the uptick of GP revenue is offset by loss on retail first party games? Since way less people will buy games for $70 if they can just power through it in 1 month GP.

This could happen, absolutely. They may also try game pass f9r one game and then keep it as they spot more games they want to play. Some will, some won't.

Thats formthem to work out.

Not to businesses, to MS, MS needs either to gobble the entire industry up or share it… hence why price raises and a lot more pervasive GaaS + micro transactions will be in games to compensate (if this took hold).

Sony is after gaas and microtransactions, everyone is going after microtransactions, its not exclusively Microsoft. So we will have to see how it goes.

 

[X-Wing]

Just my opinion but, I prefer PS+ over GP, and I think that is because I love PS exclusives over MS. I rather get forbidden west late then Starfield day one.

You have good taste.