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[MaDBrute]

Meaningless if we look at how it performs 99.9% of the time. A “who gives a fuck” stat. There’s nothing to learn from it, and anybody who chooses one version over the other on account of that is a certified idiot.

Not if it causes stutter during aiming.

 

[DarkMage619]

So you use MSRP for XSS and then accuse me of "hate" for using the MSRP for GPUs?

Can you buy a XSS for $300? I think you can. People constantly state the XSS is easily available. Can you buy an RTX 3060 for MSRP? I doubt it. Don't get upset with reality. The point is that this game runs quite well on the XSS and that is demonstrably true.

 

[Mr Moose]

Can you buy a XSS for $300? I think you can. People constantly state the XSS is easily available. Can you buy an RTX 3060 for MSRP? I doubt it. Don't get upset with reality. The point is that this game runs quite well on the XSS and that is demonstrably true.

That's like saying "did you pay MSRP for your console or did you get scalped? PS5 digital $800, brrrr".

 

[assurdum]

Resolution way higher on Xbox Series X...

Way less higher as DF make to intend in average. That's why I love this channel. Just stats not verbal hyperbole about what is it better. Lol 1800p series X in opened area and 1215p-1500p on ps5 my balls. And people said they are not MS fanboy lol

 

[DarkMage619]

That's like saying "did you pay MSRP for your console or did you get scalped? PS5 digital $800, brrrr".

For $300 the XSS is doing amazing things. I didn't bring up the PS5 at all. They aren't really targeting the same audience seeing how the PS5 is more expensive. It is not impressive to pay more and get more. For the price of the PS5 you can get the XSS AND this game AND get Game pass for a few months. Not in the same league for value.

 

[Negotiator101]

This is why I always mention VGtech is the best. They point out resolution when they drop. They provide the whole table of data. They don't interject with their commentary and decide for us. They do a like for like extensive frame rate comparison. It suck that they are not half popular as DF. I guess because they are kinda boring when there are no commentary.

They are using programs to detect the difference, DF on the other hand are highly knowledgeable on the many rendering techniques used in games, thats why they talk about this stuff.

 

[Negotiator101]

Way less higher as DF make to intend in average. That's why I love this channel. Just stats not verbal hyperbole about what is it better.

The DF findings are still valid mate, obviously DF looked at more scenes that's why there were bigger differences.

 

[jeffyjaixx]

I liked VGTech's analysis. Simple and to the point where you can find all the relevant info. Kudos to him.

 

[assurdum]

The DF findings are still valid mate, obviously DF looked at more scenes that's why there were bigger differences.

I would bet my balls you would say that like no they are repeatedly less accurate to VGtech and they take sample here and there, without any logic. But it was obvious from the same video 1800p Vs 1500/1200p was utterly ridiculous as average difference.

 

[Mr Moose]

For $300 the XSS is doing amazing things. I didn't bring up the PS5 at all. They aren't really targeting the same audience seeing how the PS5 is more expensive. It is not impressive to pay more and get more. For the price of the PS5 you can get the XSS AND this game AND get Game pass for a few months. Not in the same league for value.

You brought up not being able to buy GPUs for MSRP. So, lets say I bought a Series S for $499 from a scalper... Do you see how stupid what you are saying it?

 

[Topher]

Can you buy a XSS for $300? I think you can. People constantly state the XSS is easily available. Can you buy an RTX 3060 for MSRP? I doubt it. Don't get upset with reality. The point is that this game runs quite well on the XSS and that is demonstrably true.

This is what you asked: "Are there any $300 video cards that have raytracing?"

What I posted was reality. You just don't like the answer. The RTX 2060 is a $300 card. The fact that its price is being jacked up on eBay by overwhelming demand doesn't change that.

As far as XSS availability, you can make your point very easily by providing a link to a site that is currently selling the console at MSRP. But then you would need to rephrase your original question to reference GPU pricing on eBay.

 

[Negotiator101]

I would bet my balls would say that

You can't even write a coherent sentence pal.

 

[assurdum]

You can't even write a coherent sentence pal.

You can't even reply with a coherent proper argument pal

 

[dcmk7]

For $300 the XSS is doing amazing things. I didn't bring up the PS5 at all. They aren't really targeting the same audience seeing how the PS5 is more expensive. It is not impressive to pay more and get more. For the price of the PS5 you can get the XSS AND this game AND get Game pass for a few months. Not in the same league for value.

Not everyone wants to be playing compromised version of games for the entire generation. Missing features here and there.

For a full next gen experience have to pay a bit more.

Performance to price the PS5 DE, can't be beaten at the moment. It even has a bigger hard drive. But you know this.

And you're only interested in derailing / trolling another thread.

 

[carloseduardocd]

I would bet my balls you would say that like no they are repeatedly less accurate to VGtech and they take sample here and there, without any logic. But it was obvious from the same video 1800p Vs 1500/1200p was utterly ridiculous as average difference.

I prefer vgtech too.

Images on high quality to download and manually compare. Excel data to manually analyse frames.

DF loves to focus on outliers. That's ok, but they could show the data to have better comprehension of the average gameplay.

 

[DarkMage619]

You brought up not being able to buy GPUs for MSRP. So, lets say I bought a Series S for $499 from a scalper... Do you see how stupid what you are saying it?

That goes against what I saw here that there were tons of XSS unsold on the shelves. Is that true or not? If it is true no one should be buying a scalped XSS. If you are buying an XSS for retail my point remains. If you can buy a RTX 2060, 3060 for retail you'd still need to buy the computer to go along with it. Why argue that the XSS isn't impressive for the price?

This is what you asked: "Are there any $300 video cards that have raytracing?"

What I posted was reality. You just don't like the answer. The RTX 2060 is a $300 card. The fact that its price is being jacked up on eBay by overwhelming demand doesn't change that.

As far as XSS availability, you can make your point very easily by providing a link to a site that is currently selling the console at MSRP.

You are right. I should have asked if you could build a PC or buy another console for $300 that does raytracing. Forgive my poor phrasing. I don't have the lists of European sites selling the XSS available but I doubt you'd argue that the XSS is sold out worldwide. My point again is that for the price the XSS is doing things more expensive devices are not. That is a fact. This game is the latest example.

Not everyone wants to be playing compromised version of games for the entire generation. Missing features here and there.

For a full next gen experience have to pay a bit more.

Performance to price the PS5 DE, can't be beaten at the moment. It even has a bigger hard drive. But you know this.

And you're only interested in derailing / trolling another thread.

No where did I bring up the PS5. I was talking about the XSS. If you looked at this video it's clear the PS5 version is also compromised with this game so your point is lost. The only way this get derailed is if you insist of making comparisons to the PS5 when I didn't bring any up. You want to pay more that's fine. I am talking about price and value.

 

[assurdum]

I prefer vgtech too.

Images on high quality to download and manually compare. Excel data to manually analyse frames.

DF loves to focus on outliers. That's ok, but they could show the data to have better comprehension of the average gameplay.

I frankly tired to DF and their way to spin the narrative in some way favour of the Xbox, frankly. The whole Alex chats about the resolution smelled of damage controls to me from the beginning and look at it, here we go again. Another overstimate difference on the same side

 

[Negotiator101]

You can't even write a coherent argument pal

I'm not arguing with you or anyone, thing is you have a unhealthy dislike for Digital Foundry and it's employees for some reason. This has caused you to believe they are biased towards one platform over another, with you suggesting on multiple occasions that they are lying. Please take a moment to think how silly your way of thinking is and realise not everyone has a bias or a agenda.

 

[Thirty7ven]

For $300 the XSS is doing amazing things. I didn't bring up the PS5 at all. They aren't really targeting the same audience seeing how the PS5 is more expensive. It is not impressive to pay more and get more.

But it’s impressive to pay a bit less and get much less huh

 

[Leyasu]

Someone should collect the findings from DF, NXgamer and VGtech, and then make a comparison thread of the comparison videos.

 

[DarkMage619]

But it’s impressive to pay a bit less and get much less huh

Much less? The XSS has features more expensive consoles lack. Outside of resolution how are you getting less? The fact that this game has graphical features on the XSS the X1X does not flies against the 'less' notion.

 

[assurdum]

I'm not arguing with you or anyone, thing is you have a unhealthy dislike for Digital Foundry and it's employees for some reason. This has caused you to believe they are biased towards one platform over another, with you suggesting on multiple occasions that they are lying. Please take a moment to think how silly your way of thinking is and realise not everyone has a bias or a agenda.

Listen, I'm tired to see they repeatedly overstimate the same side and understate the other. You believe it's a coincidence? Ok you are free to think it. Personally no their agenda is clear and I always wait VGTECH to have a clear idea how really the things stack up because DF is never trustworthy to spot such difference. I can make a long list about their "ingenuous" mistakes if you care to know, and they are always in favour to the same brand.

 

[Topher]

You are right. I should have asked if you could build a PC or buy another console for $300 that does raytracing. Forgive my poor phrasing. I don't have the lists of European sites selling the XSS available but I doubt you'd argue that the XSS is sold out worldwide. My point again is that for the price the XSS is doing things more expensive devices are not. That is a fact. This game is the latest example.

Fair enough. And I agree with you. You are not going to find another console or build a PC that does RT at that price.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Much less? The XSS has features more expensive consoles lack. Outside of resolution how are you getting less? The fact that this game has graphical features on the XSS the X1X does not flies against the 'less' notion.

You win man, comparing the XSS to a discontinued console and ignoring competing products to create a fictional scenario where it can be considered an impressive feat of technology is peak marketing speak. That’s damn good, hats off.

 

[Black_Stride]

So you use MSRP for XSS and then accuse me of "hate" for using the MSRP for GPUs?

The XSS can be found at MSRP relatively easily.
I literally just go to Xbox.com and choose a retailer alot of them have it or will be getting it in like a week or two at MSRP.

I asked the same question for literally every GPU right now, even some lowly RTX3060<--- RTX 3050 more like!
And I cant get anywhere near MSRP for any GPU.

I hear EVGA in the US does some queue or something that guarantees MSRP but I dont know how true that is....im not in the US.

 

[Chukhopops]

But it’s impressive to pay a bit less and get much less huh

Why do people struggle so much to understand that it’s a different audience? PS5 DE is 3.45 times bigger than the S, costs €100 more and doesn’t exactly exist in the most favorable ecosystem if you’re conscious about money in general.

It’s fine to point out that the S is less powerful, but that’s not the point of its existence - it’s a cheap entry point into a massively more affordable ecosystem.

 

[dcmk7]

No where did I bring up the PS5. I was talking about the XSS. If you looked at this video it's clear the PS5 version is also compromised with this game so your point is lost. The only way this get derailed is if you insist of making comparisons to the PS5 when I didn't bring any up. You want to pay more that's fine. I am talking about price and value.

You brought it up right here pal.

For $300 the XSS is doing amazing things. I didn't bring up the PS5 at all. They aren't really targeting the same audience seeing how the PS5 is more expensive. It is not impressive to pay more and get more. For the price of the PS5 you can get the XSS AND this game AND get Game pass for a few months. Not in the same league for value.

So, no you're clearly talking about it.

If you looked at this video it's clear the PS5 version is also compromised with this game so your point is lost.

I don't think you know what compromised means.

Where a studio builds the game and then cut features out and reshapes it, in order to get it to work for something inferior. This has been the story so far with the XSS.

Like even MS first party studios are doing it. With Doom Eternal, the next gen patch is shipping without RT. Whilst all the other next gen consoles are getting that feature.

Doesn't really seem fair for the owners. When expecting the same game as the XSX. To be missing an important next gen feature such as that. And even to occasionally play at a very low resolution image such as ~500p.

But again this is all off topic. Not sure why you are so argumentative with people.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Why do people struggle so much to understand that it’s a different audience? PS5 DE is 3.45 times bigger than the S, costs €100 more and doesn’t exactly exist in the most favorable ecosystem if you’re conscious about money in general.

We are debating what makes the XSS an impressive piece of technology, not size, not audience, not ecosystems. How does Metro show that? It doesn’t.

Like, you can be happy with it, you can be happy with the results, surprised by the results but calling it an impressive piece of tech? Doesn’t even pass the tech bang for buck test. There’s a reason why a whole lot of people were aiming for 249$ tops and dreaming of 199$. At 299$, considering how cut back it is, nothing impressive about how it performs. Let’s not forget that the promise was that for 4K games on XSX, SS would deliver 1440p by just flipping a switch.

Also the whole “audience that needs a smaller console” isn’t really a thing, unless it’s portable. But whatever, size yeah.

 

[Negotiator101]

Listen, I'm tired to see they repeatedly overstimate the same side and understate the other. You believe it's a coincidence? Ok you are free to think it. Personally no their agenda is clear and I always wait VGTECH to have a clear idea how really the things stack up because DF is never trustworthy to spot such difference. I can make a long list about their "ingenuous" mistakes if you care to know, and they are always in favour to the same brand.

DF are a much BIGGER outfit and have more money, its there job. The people who run VGTECH are almost certainly doing this as a side project, therefore they wouldn't have the time to cover the games as comprehensively as DF, hence they come with a slightly less different resolution difference than DF did. DF didn't make the numbers up they just covered more of the game, they also had access to the developer of the game and I'm pretty sure they know DF are correct.

 

[assurdum]

So a quick resume: 22% of resolution difference dynamically in favour of the series X with the minimum at 10%. All that said, I even used the lower resolution to calculate the pixels difference, which wide the gap in favour of the series X. That's a total different picture of what DF offered.

 

[Riky]

So the framerate some people called a "stuttering mess" is in fact 99.76% time locked at 60fps

Plus always clearing the 1080p mark. As expected it's another one.

 

[assurdum]

DF are a much BIGGER outfit and have more money, its there job. The people who run VGTECH are almost certainly doing this as a side project, therefore they wouldn't have the time to cover the games as comprehensively as DF, hence they come with a slightly less different resolution difference than DF did. DF didn't make the numbers up they just covered more of the game, they also had access to the developer of the game and I'm pretty sure they know DF are correct.

I won't even reply because I want to give to you a moment to reread to what you have written here, to rethink about it.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Impressive that a $300 console runs this game better than any other in its price range. Are there any $300 video cards that have raytracing? It's cool that the cost for entry into current gen has gotten lower.

Is this an advertisement?

 

[assurdum]

So the framerate some people called a "stuttering mess" is in fact 99.76% time locked at 60fps

Plus always clearing the 1080p mark. As expected it's another one.

Yes it's another one pathetic war post by you. But speaking which was the ps5 supposed to run at 35% of less pixels most of the times and lower than 1008p because Alex predicted it in the DF thread?
And he laughs. What a pathetic troll.

 

[Negotiator101]

I won't even reply because I want to give to you a moment to reread to what you have written here, to rethink about it.

You just replied you simpleton

 

[BigLee74]

Irrelevant, when the XSX has Riky and VRR

Wow. Do you really feel the need to crack this same ‘joke’ in every PS v Xbox thread you wander into? Same folk laughing at it every time too.

Careful Riky. I think this one is in love.

 

[DeepEnigma]

So the framerate some people called a "stuttering mess" is in fact 99.76% time locked at 60fps

Plus always clearing the 1080p mark. As expected it's another one.

So now 99.76 is considered LOCKED!

Glad we can finally come full circle on that shit. AGREED!

 

[Riky]

Wow. Do you really feel the need to crack this same ‘joke’ in every PS v Xbox thread you wander into? Same folk laughing at it every time too.

Careful Riky. I think this one is in love.

Obsessed, must be my after-shave

 

[assurdum]

You just replied you simpleton

You said a nonsense. I don't know, you really want to take in consideration such absurd argument? How make more money give to DF more credibility? So Durante who modded the From software ports on pc fixing them, had more money of From software? Wut

 

[Negotiator101]

Yes it's another one pathetic war post by you. But speaking which was the ps5 supposed to run at 35% of less pixels most of the times and lower than 1008p because Alex predicted it in the DF thread?

Why are you constantly bringing up Alex of DF? It's becoming some what of an obsession I think .

 

[assurdum]

Why are you constantly bringing up Alex of DF? It's becoming some what of an obsession I think .

Alex make the DF video about Metro. I can call him Alexis, if it hurts you. Like the hell are you trying to argue now

 

[Bo_Hazem]

PS5 uses a dynamic resolution with the highest native resolution found being approximately 2844x1600 and the lowest resolution found being approximately 1792x1008. Pixel counts at 1792x1008 seem to be rare on PS5. PS5 uses temporal upsampling to reconstruct a 3840x2160 resolution. Xbox Series X uses a dynamic resolution with the highest native resolution found being approximately 2844x1600 and the lowest resolution found being approximately 1920x1080. Pixel counts at 1920x1080 seem to be rare on Xbox Series X. Xbox Series X uses temporal upsampling to reconstruct a 3840x2160 resolution. Below are some example pixel counts for certain scenes on PS5 and Xbox Series X. Note that these figures are approximate and not necessarily representative of how the entirety of a given area will render. Volga Level Opening Train Scene - PS5: 2560x1440, Series X: 2844x1600 Caspian Level Driving - PS5: 2560x1440, Series X: 2844x1600 Taiga Level Exploration - PS5: 2176x1224, Series X: 2400x1350 Taiga Level Forest Demanding Scene - PS5: 1792x1008, Series X: 1920x1080 Xbox Series S uses a dynamic resolution with the highest native resolution found being approximately 1621x912 and the lowest resolution found being approximately 1056x594. Pixel counts at 1056x594 seem to be rare on Xbox Series S. Xbox Series S uses temporal upsampling to reconstruct a 1920x1080 resolution.


Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1d_yHRLNdaRX86APUsOLpI_S2-iNmLHChb-kyIyEOcPU/htmlview

PS5 is 99.99% at 60fps vs 99.76% on XSX, with the lowest frame on PS5 being 58fps vs 50fps on XSX. PS5 has dropped only 3 frames from 16.67ms window vs 70 frames dropped on XSX.

We have a clear winner here.

Platforms	PS5	Xbox Series X	Xbox Series S
2	Frame Amounts
3	Game Frames	29516	29434	29439
4	Video Frames	29520	29520	29520
5	Frame Tearing Statistics
6	Total Torn Frames	0	0	0
7	Lowest Torn Line	-	-	-
8	Frame Height	2160	2160	1080
9	Frame Time Statistics
10	Mean Frame Time	16.67ms	16.72ms	16.71ms
11	Median Frame Time	16.67ms	16.67ms	16.67ms
12	Maximum Frame Time	50ms	133.33ms	150ms
13	Minimum Frame Time	16.67ms	16.67ms	16.67ms
14	95th Percentile Frame Time	16.67ms	16.67ms	16.67ms
15	99th Percentile Frame Time	16.67ms	16.67ms	16.67ms
16	Frame Rate Statistics
17	Mean Frame Rate	59.99fps	59.82fps	59.84fps
18	Median Frame Rate	60fps	60fps	60fps
19	Maximum Frame Rate	60fps	60fps	60fps
20	Minimum Frame Rate	58fps	50fps	50fps
21	5th Percentile Frame Rate	60fps	59fps	59fps
22	1st Percentile Frame Rate	60fps	57fps	58fps
23	Frame Time Counts
24	16.67ms	29513 (99.99%)	29364 (99.76%)	29376 (99.79%)
25	33.33ms	2 (0.01%)	63 (0.21%)	54 (0.18%)
26	50ms	1 (0%)	4 (0.01%)	7 (0.02%)
27	66.67ms	0 (0%)	1 (0%)	0 (0%)
28	100ms	0 (0%)	1 (0%)	1 (0%)
29	133.33ms	0 (0%)	1 (0%)	0 (0%)
30	150ms	0 (0%)	0 (0%)	1 (0%)
31	Other
32	Dropped Frames	0	0	0
33	Runt Frames	0	0	0
34	Runt Frame Thresholds	20 rows	20 rows	20 rows

 

[DarkMage619]

You win man, comparing the XSS to a discontinued console and ignoring competing products to create a fictional scenario where it can be considered an impressive feat of technology is peak marketing speak. That’s damn good, hats off.

There are no competing products that offer more for less or even the same. The only thing fictional is believing that the least expensive console with raytracing is offering less when you had to spends hundreds more to see the same features elsewhere. Hats off to you to look for the negative when there are clearly more positives.

 

[ethomaz]

This is what you asked: "Are there any $300 video cards that have raytracing?"

What I posted was reality. You just don't like the answer. The RTX 2060 is a $300 card. The fact that its price is being jacked up on eBay by overwhelming demand doesn't change that.

As far as XSS availability, you can make your point very easily by providing a link to a site that is currently selling the console at MSRP. But then you would need to rephrase your original question to reference GPU pricing on eBay.

He hated you because you know you reply was 100% on spot.

 

[DarkMage619]

Obsessed, must be my after-shave

You weren't kidding when you were talking about living rent free in some people's heads.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

 

[Thirty7ven]

There are no competing products that offer more for less or even the same. The only thing fictional is believing that the least expensive console with raytracing is offering less when you had to spends hundreds more to see the same features elsewhere. Hats off to you to look for the negative when there are clearly more positives.

Hundreds more? So when all else fails just throw some more bs at the wall and hope for the best.

I’m not saying it’s not the right console for you, but it’s not impressive technology. If it were a portable machine it would be impressive. No, being able to transport it from the living room to the bedroom does NOT make it portable hmkay

 

[dcmk7]

XSS is so blurry.

 

[assurdum]

Man some days ago the same thread of DF was invaded. Now with the difference resized is a desert. Make me think a lot.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Man some days ago the same thread of DF was invaded. Now with the difference resized is a desert. Make me think a lot.