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Xbox’s Phil Spencer criticises PlayStation’s PC strategy for being ‘late’ and ‘charging twice’

Varteras

Gold Member
from 5 to 23 studios. yes he is full of himself. the xbox who has no games gained massive ammount of games, because of him. good job downplaying the guys job.
Keep in mind that the reason Xbox only had a handful of studios was because Spencer dismantled Xbox's first party. A lot of studios suddenly went away under him. Like it or not, he is responsible for nearly an entire generation of a lacking exclusive library for Xbox. He is also responsible for launching a new console with no exclusives and quite likely making people wait 2, 3, or possibly even 4 years after that console releases before a bunch of games roll in.

I mean it's perfectly fine to be excited about the future. Xbox certainly has a lot of potential now. In particular I'm very much looking forward to what Playground and Obsidian do. But I really don't think you should so easily excuse him or defend him for the state Xbox has been in and will still be in for a while yet. Jerry isn't wrong. Spencer would have been out on his ass by now if Xbox relied on its own performance and wasn't part of a bigger company that could weather those issues. It's thanks to that that Spencer was ever in his position long enough to see Gamepass become a thing and those studios purchased.
 

Bo_Hazem

Banned
he is not shook. just calling it out as a gamer - a half assed pc strategy from others...

Sony is giving mixed messages to both sides, no side is really happy.

Phil does what is right with his console/PC strategy. You got the clarity and choice which sides you want to pick.

If anything Sony should abandon PC releases, totally. So far it's only 3 PS4 games.
 
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elliot5

Member
But Phil I'd rather pay twice for a great game than once for two hundred mediocre ones

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Spidey Fan

Banned
Keep in mind that the reason Xbox only had a handful of studios was because Spencer dismantled Xbox's first party. A lot of studios suddenly went away under him. Like it or not, he is responsible for nearly an entire generation of a lacking exclusive library for Xbox. He is also responsible for launching a new console with no exclusives and quite likely making people wait 2, 3, or possibly even 4 years after that console releases before a bunch of games roll in.

I mean it's perfectly fine to be excited about the future. Xbox certainly has a lot of potential now. In particular I'm very much looking forward to what Playground and Obsidian do. But I really don't think you should so easily excuse him or defend him for the state Xbox has been in and will still be in for a while yet. Jerry isn't wrong. Spencer would have been out on his ass by now if Xbox relied on its own performance and wasn't part of a bigger company that could weather those issues. It's thanks to that that Spencer was ever in his position long enough to see Gamepass become a thing and those studios purchased.
Dude, he is the one who literally made Microsoft focus on xbox. I dont know what the fk you smoking. He has been given a fking mess from don matrik. And what did he do after took the position? Buy minecraft, by convincing Microsoft. Fixed the horrible mistake xbox one was, by releasing x1s, then x1x. He literally made gamepass for the xbox. Went to hunt studios. And now made xbox a strong console. The same xbox, that don put in the ground.

If you hate him that is fine. But don't say he ruined xbox. He freaking put yakuza, which was known as a Playstation games. Tell me, how do you think xbox players felt, when they saw the yakuza series on their console. He even freaking gave them MLB the show, and exclusive Playstation game, day 1 for xbox players.
 
Keep in mind that the reason Xbox only had a handful of studios was because Spencer dismantled Xbox's first party. A lot of studios suddenly went away under him. Like it or not, he is responsible for nearly an entire generation of a lacking exclusive library for Xbox. He is also responsible for launching a new console with no exclusives and quite likely making people wait 2, 3, or possibly even 4 years after that console releases before a bunch of games roll in.

I mean it's perfectly fine to be excited about the future. Xbox certainly has a lot of potential now. In particular I'm very much looking forward to what Playground and Obsidian do. But I really don't think you should so easily excuse him or defend him for the state Xbox has been in and will still be in for a while yet. Jerry isn't wrong. Spencer would have been out on his ass by now if Xbox relied on its own performance and wasn't part of a bigger company that could weather those issues. It's thanks to that that Spencer was ever in his position long enough to see Gamepass become a thing and those studios purchased.
You accuse Phil Spencer of dismantling Xbox 1st party studios. What evidence do you have of this? He became a corporate VP in 2017. At that point he would have the power to shut studios down. Before that everything he did had to have to been OKed by a higher up. He had essentially the same position that Matt Booty has now.

Since 2017, Xbox has gained over 15 new studios, started Game pass(!), released the X1X, and the Series consoles. Which part of that legacy should he have been thrown out over? He also worked with Bonnie Ross and convinced Satya Nadella to get a more full throated support of the Xbox brand from MS, something that had been severely lacking during the X1 generation. This resulted in Bethesda's acquisition. For that he should have been fired? If you can point to things he specially did that was worse than what I listed I'd like to see it.
 

Spidey Fan

Banned
It's a Shield TV so in essence yeh it's an android box.

I'm not interested in streaming over the internet though, only do in-home streaming from devices I have running locally.
Its fun sometimes. You start a game, and you are in. I used to play them on a laptop, before I got my pc gaming. Simpler times.
 

oagboghi2

Member
he is not shook. just calling it out as a gamer - a half assed pc strategy from others...

Sony is giving mixed messages to both sides, no side is really happy.

Phil does what is right with his console/PC strategy. You got the clarity and choice which sides you want to pick.
Fucking amazing. How much does MS pay you for this shilling?

The messaging mustn’t be that mixed and confusing, because isn’t the ps5 outselling the xbox?
 

Spidey Fan

Banned
You are a game pass cuck since 80% of your posts are game pass advertising, I’m glad we agree.

I hope the mods give you the tag game pass cuck..

Old games narrative? Am I wrong? No ok.
I am getting value from these. I am not tied to a plastic box, and scream like a man child, when my plastic box games comes to pc.

Old games are better than the crap we have now days. At least old games, you were in a jungle. Here you are treated like a baby.
 
Do not feel the hater aide Spencer of Phil. If your games had as much swagger, you would double dip too. But like the fat girl trying to hate on the hot girl, we see your envy. Do not hate the player. Hate the games. That don't launch on pc simultaneously.
 

longdi

Banned
Fucking amazing. How much does MS pay you for this shilling?

The messaging mustn’t be that mixed and confusing, because isn’t the ps5 outselling the xbox?

idk mate, Phil is doing every gamers a favor by calling out bad corporate directions.

and all you did was jumped to 'sales!'

be more appreciative someone dares to speak up even if it makes them look less politically correct, in an era of politically correctness 🤷‍♀️
 

iHaunter

Member
idk mate, Phil is doing every gamers a favor by calling out bad corporate directions.

and all you did was jumped to 'sales!'

be more appreciative someone dares to speak up even if it makes them look less politically correct, in an era of politically correctness 🤷‍♀️
You truly believe it isn't marketing bullshit to push his own agenda?
 

iHaunter

Member
sure there is a marketing aspect behind the message.

but the message itself is true and fair.

it is sony allowing a hole behind themselves to be attacked.
I don't agree. They opened a Steam Page and partnered with Epic. Jim Ryan seems to be putting a heavy focus on PC gaming. But of course, PC gaming is still HEAVILY pirated. It makes sense they want to delay to sell more on consoles.
 

Topher

Gold Member
You do for all their 1st party games, and for some 3rd party games too.


Only within the confines of Microsoft's own stores. That is just PR spin.

Let's see how well I can spin this. Phil Spencer is only talking about Microsoft's own stores in Windows. So is he really criticizing Sony for not giving away their PC version of games in Microsoft's stores? Maybe there should be a headline saying "Phil Spencer criticizes Sony for not giving games away to Microsoft customers".

Ugh.....I feel like I need a shower just trying to think like these guys.

the sandlot dust GIF
 
Can’t argue with any of that. Sony is treating people unfairly and being greedy asses. Sony should do what MS is doing and release their games day 1 on PC and let people choose where they want to play. Only a fanboy would disagree with this.
 
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Zok310

Banned
Phil in his emotions cause Sony about crush them on PC the same way they crush them on console.
It must suck leaving all that money on the table by not 2x charging for PC ports only to see your competitor do it and profit on every release.
 

Pull n Pray

Banned
Only within the confines of Microsoft's own stores. That is just PR spin.

Let's see how well I can spin this. Phil Spencer is only talking about Microsoft's own stores in Windows. So is he really criticizing Sony for not giving away their PC version of games in Microsoft's stores? Maybe there should be a headline saying "Phil Spencer criticizes Sony for not giving games away to Microsoft customers".

Ugh.....I feel like I need a shower just trying to think like these guys.

the sandlot dust GIF
Sony could easily open up a store front. Or they could just partner with Epic. I'm sure Epic would let them keep all the revenues because just getting Sony games into the store would be a big win for Epic.
 

Bo_Hazem

Banned
Phil in his emotions cause Sony about crush them on PC the same way they crush them on console.
It must suck leaving all that money on the table by not 2x charging for PC ports only to see your competitor do it and profit on every release.

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The could open a PC store. Or they could partner with Epic. I'm sure Epic would let Sony have all the revenue because just having their games in the store would be a big win for Epic.

Exclusives provide unique experiences, but Sony benefits the most from PS Plus and 3rd party sales and MTX. Although 1st party games are doing great, they mostly serve as a lore to the ecosystem. Releasing a PC store would massively hurt PS.

Releasing very few games, especially PS4 games, and getting some good cash after they become free (HZD) or semi-free (PS Plus) on PS4/5 is understandable.

In any case, they should rethink about releasing their IP's on PC and should focus on their main competitor, Nintendo.
 
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iHaunter

Member
Only within the confines of Microsoft's own stores. That is just PR spin.

Let's see how well I can spin this. Phil Spencer is only talking about Microsoft's own stores in Windows. So is he really criticizing Sony for not giving away their PC version of games in Microsoft's stores? Maybe there should be a headline saying "Phil Spencer criticizes Sony for not giving games away to Microsoft customers".

Ugh.....I feel like I need a shower just trying to think like these guys.

the sandlot dust GIF
Can't make your own games, so cry about your competitors not putting their games on your store.

Actually sad and true.
 
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Damn I was critical of Sony for going to PC but if Phil is this shook they must be on to something

Maybe Horizon outsold all of their recent PC games
Check steam charts. Sea of thieves and flight Simulator sold more lol.

Flight simulator already over million on PC.


Also, where in Article he mentioned Sony? He making general comment and you all turned it into Sony vs MS.
 
Phil is taking off the nice guy mask momentarily seeing how Sony has released two highly praised games back to back, and dominated the news the last few weeks. All in good fun, but it shows that his good behaviour is just a PR stunt.
 

Pull n Pray

Banned
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Exclusives provide unique experiences, but Sony benefits the most from PS Plus and 3rd party sales and MTX. Although 1st party games are doing great, they mostly serve as a lore to the ecosystem. Releasing a PC store would massively hurt PS.

Releasing very few games, especially PS4 games, and getting some good cash after they become free (HZD) or semi-free (PS Plus) on PS4/5 is understandable.

In any case, they should rethink about releasing their IP's on PC and should focus on their main competitor, Nintendo.
Forget for a second what you think is in Sony's best financial interest. As a gamer, wouldn't you like the option to play on either PC or console and have your progress carry over?
 

Spidey Fan

Banned
Forget for a second what you think is in Sony's best financial interest. As a gamer, wouldn't you like the option to play on either PC or console and have your progress carry over?
they dont care. they are the same people who cried here, when they heard uncharted 4 was coming to pc.
 

Bo_Hazem

Banned
Forget for a second what you think is in Sony's best financial interest. As a gamer, wouldn't you like the option to play on either PC or console and have your progress carry over?

I have a gaming PC and I don't play on it. For me as a gamer I don't want a game made with the least common denominator in mind like on PC or PS4, so going forward I would rather have games built around PS5's custom hardware and software.
 

sendit

Member
he is not shook. just calling it out as a gamer - a half assed pc strategy from others...

Sony is giving mixed messages to both sides, no side is really happy.

Phil does what is right with his console/PC strategy. You got the clarity and choice which sides you want to pick.
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Spidey Fan

Banned
I have a gaming PC and I don't play on it. For me as a gamer I don't want a game made with the least common denominator in mind like on PC or PS4, so going forward I would rather have games built around PS5's custom hardware and software.
Do you know what crap are you spouting about? Most games requires you certain video ram in order to play it. And you dont really have a gaming pc, so stop with this crap "I have a gaming pc". If you have a pc gaming, you would have played it alot. the fact that you dont, shows you dont have a gaming pc.

just confess it. you will cry like a baby if sony releases last of us, god of war, spiderman to pc. you guys went ape shit here, about the uncharted 4 news.
 

Bo_Hazem

Banned
Do you know what crap are you spouting about? Most games requires you certain video ram in order to play it. And you dont really have a gaming pc, so stop with this crap "I have a gaming pc". If you have a pc gaming, you would have played it alot. the fact that you dont, shows you dont have a gaming pc.

just confess it. you will cry like a baby if sony releases last of us, god of war, spiderman to pc. you guys went ape shit here, about the uncharted 4 news.

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Before getting the PS5

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And after PS5

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Would've bought a workstation GPU instead, but gaming GPU's are good enough for video rendering and Radeon VII is actually a re-purposed workstation GPU.
 
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Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
If anything Sony should abandon PC releases, totally. So far it's only 3 PS4 games.
Sony is just trying to level the playing field again. I'm sure they aren't too thrilled about the idea (and the necessity) of releasing their flagship games on PC either.

Xbox has ~50 million users. Steam has ~120 million users (assumption). PlayStation has ~120 million users.

By combining Xbox and PC, Xbox increased their userbase reach to effectively ~170 million users. That's more than PlayStation's reach. Although artificial, it is an advantage for Xbox. Now, if Sony releases their games on PC, they increase their userbase to ~250 million users. Tipping the balance back in their favor. If they don't, Xbox games might sell more or the same amount of games as PlayStation Studios.

As far as the strategy goes, Sony's is better as they are not completely diluting the need for having a PlayStation. At a given time, there will always be a bunch of games not available on PC.

Had Xbox not released their games on PC, I'm sure Sony wouldn't have either. But Sony needs to do everything to keep Xbox down (from their business POV), because the money they have, they could create lots of trouble for PlayStation if they grow further.
 

Varteras

Gold Member
You accuse Phil Spencer of dismantling Xbox 1st party studios. What evidence do you have of this? He became a corporate VP in 2017. At that point he would have the power to shut studios down. Before that everything he did had to have to been OKed by a higher up. He had essentially the same position that Matt Booty has now.

Since 2017, Xbox has gained over 15 new studios, started Game pass(!), released the X1X, and the Series consoles. Which part of that legacy should he have been thrown out over? He also worked with Bonnie Ross and convinced Satya Nadella to get a more full throated support of the Xbox brand from MS, something that had been severely lacking during the X1 generation. This resulted in Bethesda's acquisition. For that he should have been fired? If you can point to things he specially did that was worse than what I listed I'd like to see it.
He was put in charge of Xbox, Xbox Live, Groove Music and Movies & TV teams, and Microsoft Studios in March 2014. Whatever calls were made from 2014 on, they were made while he was in charge of Xbox. Period. If anyone can prove to me that he didn't make those calls I'd love to be proven wrong. Under most other circumstances, he wouldn't have lasted long enough for the things you credit him for to have happened or proven successful on his watch. And who really cares what consoles he released if they don't have games? Xbox One didn't sell 65% the units that Xbox 360 did because a great job was done by anyone in charge of Xbox.

In my job, if someone became the new boss and presided over a 7 year span where our product sold only 65% of what it did the previous 7 or 8 years that boss would be out. He'd be incredibly lucky to make it to 5 years. Our company can't afford that at all and we'd be in a panic to figure out how to quickly fix what just happened. It wouldn't even matter that he wasn't in charge when the downward trajectory hit. He'd be removed because he obviously couldn't change it. In fact, over a year ago our boss was fired after only 3 years on the job simply because we were behind on fulfilling orders for a year and it wasn't even his fault. Our sales team took orders way beyond what our production capacity was and the President of the entire company didn't even care. We were expected to "make it work".

I've just never worked in any field or for any company where someone can be in charge during such a decline and keep their job. I've seen people fired faster for less.

Dude, he is the one who literally made Microsoft focus on xbox. I dont know what the fk you smoking. He has been given a fking mess from don matrik. And what did he do after took the position? Buy minecraft, by convincing Microsoft. Fixed the horrible mistake xbox one was, by releasing x1s, then x1x. He literally made gamepass for the xbox. Went to hunt studios. And now made xbox a strong console. The same xbox, that don put in the ground.

If you hate him that is fine. But don't say he ruined xbox. He freaking put yakuza, which was known as a Playstation games. Tell me, how do you think xbox players felt, when they saw the yakuza series on their console. He even freaking gave them MLB the show, and exclusive Playstation game, day 1 for xbox players.
I never said I hated him. I said I dislike the job he did. I don't know him as a person. I only know him as a personality in charge of Xbox. And in that regard I disapprove of him. People need to stop blaming Mattrick. Spencer was in charge of Xbox for pretty much the entire generation of Xbox One. Buying Minecraft didn't bring games to Xbox's customers who paid to get experiences they couldn't get anywhere else. Like I said, who cares what consoles released under him? Without games what do they matter?

I'm going to guess outside of list warriors, few Xbox gamers cared about Yakuza being on Xbox. I never said Spencer didn't make some good moves. I said it took him too long to get anything going and meanwhile Xbox gamers had to sit and watch while everyone else was eating well. They're STILL watching. Yes, he did hype shit over and over again to constantly let people down year after year. I also think he has allowed mismanagement within Xbox's first party. Even David Jaffe and Colin Moriarty feel that's something holding Xbox back. They think Microsoft needs to offer someone who has helped manage Sony lately a ton of money to come over and show them how to do it.

Let me ask you this, what are YOU smoking that you're so on board with a guy whose fans have been waiting 7 years for a bunch of great games they can't get on any other console and will likely be waiting years more? I never even let a woman waste more than 3 months of my time from the start these days. Learned that shit the hard way.

AND JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR! : I'm not saying any of this from a perspective of "fuck you, Spencer sucks". I'm legit just having a conversation and explaining why I don't like the job he's done. No ill intent or nasty feelings.
 

Spidey Fan

Banned
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Before getting the PS5

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And after PS5

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Would've bought a workstation GPU instead, but gaming GPU's are good enough for video rendering.
Pushing hands to steal gorgeous pc.:goog_devil::goog_devil::goog_devil:
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Sorry about that. My bad, I apologize about my previous statement. That is a nice set up you have.
 

Bo_Hazem

Banned
Pushing hands to steal gorgeous pc.:goog_devil::goog_devil::goog_devil:
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Sorry about that. My bad, I apologize about my previous statement. That is a nice set up you have.

I just prefer playing on PS5 and keeping my PC gaming-free for other stuff. If Xbox releases something that interests me, I'll play it on my PC.
 

longdi

Banned
Agreed. Remember, he also said this:


:messenger_loudly_crying: :messenger_loudly_crying: :messenger_loudly_crying: :messenger_loudly_crying:

isnt that another of Phil's hard truths?

The ones caring about high fps are PCMR like me. We are just glad to have PC + Gamepass + Steam + day 1 releases from MS.

consolers get fine with 30fps. /shrugs
 

Spidey Fan

Banned
He was put in charge of Xbox, Xbox Live, Groove Music and Movies & TV teams, and Microsoft Studios in March 2014. Whatever calls were made from 2014 on, they were made while he was in charge of Xbox. Period. If anyone can prove to me that he didn't make those calls I'd love to be proven wrong. Under most other circumstances, he wouldn't have lasted long enough for the things you credit him for to have happened or proven successful on his watch. And who really cares what consoles he released if they don't have games? Xbox One didn't sell 65% the units that Xbox 360 did because a great job was done by anyone in charge of Xbox.

In my job, if someone became the new boss and presided over a 7 year span where our product sold only 65% of what it did the previous 7 or 8 years that boss would be out. He'd be incredibly lucky to make it to 5 years. Our company can't afford that at all and we'd be in a panic to figure out how to quickly fix what just happened. It wouldn't even matter that he wasn't in charge when the downward trajectory hit. He'd be removed because he obviously couldn't change it. In fact, over a year ago our boss was fired after only 3 years on the job simply because we were behind on fulfilling orders for a year and it wasn't even his fault. Our sales team took orders way beyond what our production capacity was and the President of the entire company didn't even care. We were expected to "make it work".

I've just never worked in any field or for any company where someone can be in charge during such a decline and keep their job. I've seen people fired faster for less.


I never said I hated him. I said I dislike the job he did. I don't know him as a person. I only know him as a personality in charge of Xbox. And in that regard I disapprove of him. People need to stop blaming Mattrick. Spencer was in charge of Xbox for pretty much the entire generation of Xbox One. Buying Minecraft didn't bring games to Xbox's customers who paid to get experiences they couldn't get anywhere else. Like I said, who cares what consoles released under him? Without games what do they matter?

I'm going to guess outside of list warriors, few Xbox gamers cared about Yakuza being on Xbox. I never said Spencer didn't make some good moves. I said it took him too long to get anything going and meanwhile Xbox gamers had to sit and watch while everyone else was eating well. They're STILL watching. Yes, he did hype shit over and over again to constantly let people down year after year. I also think he has allowed mismanagement within Xbox's first party. Even David Jaffe and Colin Moriarty feel that's something holding Xbox back. They think Microsoft needs to offer someone who has helped manage Sony lately a ton of money to come over and show them how to do it.

Let me ask you this, what are YOU smoking that you're so on board with a guy whose fans have been waiting 7 years for a bunch of great games they can't get on any other console and will likely be waiting years more? I never even let a woman waste more than 3 months of my time from the start these days. Learned that shit the hard way.

AND JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR! : I'm not saying any of this from a perspective of "fuck you, Spencer sucks". I'm legit just having a conversation and explaining why I don't like the job he's done. No ill intent or nasty feelings.
Spencer wasnt the boss of xbox. 2 different thing. Don was the guy who had the authority. Spencer was just a lacky to him, like how booty is to spencer. The dude stopped the xbox momentum, and focused on tv tv, kinetic. Xbox lost alot of time to have stable studios to do their 1st party games. if don havent done that, xbox would have had some great games. But it didnt. and thnx to that, xbox was pretty much on limbo. and with studio taking time to make games, xbox never had the output needed for enough games for their platform, unlike their competitor.

Sony hired Insomniac to do Spiderman, before they bought them. I wish spencer should have done that. he is now working on it though. 3 games from 3rd party developers. The future for xbox is great for them. I am just glad both party can put out great games this gen. xbox line is good, same as sony.
 

Bo_Hazem

Banned
have you tried their game pass? Try ascent. that is a new cool game, coming out to gamepass.

I don't think I can use Gamepass. Xbox isn't supported in my country. You should like have an xbox console and do some trickery with a US account then have it activated on PC.

Even without that hassle, Ascent is the type of games I won't play even for free. Maybe the next Forza? Not sure.

Ok, times up! R&C is playable now.

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