Paulxo87
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They are going to have to respond with something at their e3 event or whatever for sure
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DF: Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart State of Play Reaction and Analysis
They are going to have to respond with something at their e3 event or whatever for sure
StateofMajora
Banned
Nah man, during gameplay of Ratchet ps4 I thought it looked like a pixar movie. Maybe just with a bit less polygons.
Thought the same thing for ratchet tools of destruction back in the day, though obviously it wasn't. But looked DAMNED amazing and at 60fps.
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MasterCornholio
Member
That would be the place to do it and they know they can't disappoint people.
harmny
Banned
He's probably more interested in supporting a podcast with you running both your mouth and the PR fueled program.
i own a ps5 and a PC. i'm just not a delusional fanboy that gets angry when someone doesn't say a playstation game is the second coming of christ
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dotnotbot
Member
Well, Craig doesn't look like CGI, that's probably why.
MasterCornholio
Member
That can be applied to all fans in my opinion. Some people get offended when people say that they love how some games look on the PS5. The opposite is true for games on Xbox.
Reindeer
Member
I guess it depend what you mean by CGI, whether current or past. It definitely looks much better in gameplay or cutscenes than Incredibles (2004) and anything Pixar did before that. Rift Apart imo also looks better than Cars (2006}, but from Ratatouille (2007) onwards Pixar stuff is obviously better.
It's still crazy how games can look this good on limited console hardware. It's also bonkers to think how we jumped 10 years in CGI film quality in one console gen. PS4 was around Toy Story (1995) level and now we can beat or match CGI that was rendered 10 years after that. At this rate PS6 should be able to render modern day CGI almost 1:1.
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Epic Sax CEO
Banned
That VXT is starting to look like a snake oil seller.
Yes, the cars are "fake", but not sprites like you can see in Cyberpunk.
Yes, up close they look very good, but what about randoms on the streets on every street?
If you're not careful and look at the game from the right angles the faults start to appear easily.
Little of the game was actually shown, at the end of this demonstration we had glimpses of more variety in the gameplay, including open areas to explore.
It's amazing how people see faults that are not there in Racket but refuses to see all the other much more obvious flaws on these games that they insist are so much superior.
Yes, the cars are "fake", but not sprites like you can see in Cyberpunk.
Yes, up close they look very good, but what about randoms on the streets on every street?
If you're not careful and look at the game from the right angles the faults start to appear easily.
Little of the game was actually shown, at the end of this demonstration we had glimpses of more variety in the gameplay, including open areas to explore.
It's amazing how people see faults that are not there in Racket but refuses to see all the other much more obvious flaws on these games that they insist are so much superior.
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
ratchet visuals actually wows meSo, just to be clear. People are comparing this:
A small, compact city, with obscured landscape and fogged geometry in distance to something like this:
And their conclusion is that Ratchet looks better ? That its the peak of current graphics ? Nevermind that we have games like Half Life Alyx or Flight Simulator
I dont think flight simulator is good looking visually to be honest, once you get a certain distance with the objects it looks horrible.
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Thedtrain
Member
You are the king at igniting console war BS.
Well done
harmny
Banned
yes let's see how the console war starts
vfx: i think the game looks great! i own a ps5 btw
fanboy: YEAH IT LOOKS GREAT BETTER THAN ANYTHING PIXAR HAS EVER DONE
vfx: well let's not get ahead of ourselves it still has a long way to go bef-
fanboy: AND IT ALSO MAKES CYBERPUNK LOOK LIKE A PS1 GAME
vfx: yeah i don't know about that
fanboy: you're just mad pc games won't ever look like that because this game is only made possible by using the UNLIMITED NEXT GEN POWER OF THE PS5
polybius80
Member
that depends, how large or small an object is, when it comes to shading cost it depends how close it is to the camera, an object that occupy most of the screen will run its shader on more pixels and potentially will hide lot of other objects that wont require being drawn but having lot of smaller object potentially with different shaders one from another is very tricky and can tank performance more easy than "bigger" objects that is why getting close to a wall usually alleviates performance problems in games and lot of objects usually affect performance that is why most are omitted in LOD, on PC you usually avoid using lot of drawcalls and group similar objects to minimize changing states that includes shaders, I dont think you can jump to that conclusion on both games specially with that reason, generally you cant use lot of objects when you do lot of things on them(or lot of polygons when require lot of vertex shading) but you can get crazy when you dont make too much with them, maybe that is why Cyberpunk has to use reduced environments compared with R&C and probably a bit of art direction as well
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DeepEnigma
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Shmunter
Member
The difference this gen is that you can swap models in and out in real-time from secondary storage.
So even during gameplay if the camera were to zoom in on the characters face because of e.g. a special move; the detail model and rendering setup can instantly be employed. Zoom out and you’re back to a simpler model to balance the rendering budget with the world scene.
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Embarrassing.
VFXVeteran
Banned
I know all of this already. I'm not sure why you are trying to educate me on this.
Most games are shader bound. R&C is using a lot of inexpensive shaders on instanced objects. Very lightweight. Changing colors of diffuse parameters (diffuse * color) on objects is literally free. R&C has an incredible layout and excellent world level design. But let's not kid ourselves. It's not doing anything technical that warrants silly claims that it rivals the visuals of a Pixar movie which has extremely expensive shaders and pixels per triangle. I'm not sure why I'm still in this thread arguing these silly claims tbh.
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Krizalidx11
Banned
I remember when this doctored screenshot made fanboys like "PS3 GOT CGI LEVELS !!!!"
Yeah this happens every few years because some people don't understand what CGI is
Yeah this happens every few years because some people don't understand what CGI is
VeganElduderino
Member
imagine being his girlfriend or boyfriend or parents or dog lolYou jumped in the thread praising DF with the "unbiased" preload, and they said themselves in their analysis that the game looks "like a computer animated film i.e. CGI"... during gameplay.
You're always way too serious. No fun allowed!
iamvin22
Industry Verified
You totally missed what's about to happen with this post.
MasterCornholio
Member
I remember when this doctored screenshot made fanboys like "PS3 GOT CGI LEVELS !!!!"
Yeah this happens every few years because some people don't understand what CGI is
You do know that many of the screens come from the gameplay demo that they showed. So it's an actual indication of what the game will look like.
VeganElduderino
Member
polybius80
Member
when you aim to show lot of different objects that is what you do specially when they are far from camera, notice how that is totally different than "because large objects"
changing color parameter in a shader yes, changing the active shader for each object for a lot of objects, not
sorry but having a different disagreeing opinion is a legitimate comment specially as no one has authority to say how something looks, and older pixar movies for obvious reasons dont look as good as new ones so there is space for debating specially as its not the first time a game is compared to a pixar movie by DF
but if you answer with silly claims like "all people from <insert group> is better than everybody else" .... well sorry but it makes you look bad not them as you are not addressing what they say but instead silly attacks similar to how SJW label all disagreeing people as "cis gender white male chrisitians"
my advise is that if you are angry better comment later
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MasterCornholio
Member
iamvin22
Industry Verified
Also a physical explosion wave that no one is talking about.
HAL-01
Member
Not sure why you are, either. These are ultimately just people’s opinions and no amount of technical explanations are going to stop them from thinking R&C “looks like Pixar”. They don’t care about the polycount or complexity of shaders. You can’t fight people’s subjective opinions on art with facts & logic
Epic Sax CEO
Banned
Here is the problem.
People in these discussions tend to get mad at what people didn't said.
Yes, the graphics are "resemble Pixar", in what people mean that they are as pleased as if it was a pre-rendered movie, no matter how many defects the graphics may still have because after all, when people talk about Pixar movies, from what year they are talking? CGI movies evolved with time, real time graphics (with multiples the framerate) may look more impressive than old pre-rendered movies.
But some in their ill minds can't read the actual words people wrote, the conversation gets all distorted inside their minds, and are us that have to suffer.
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MightySquirrel
Banned
By far the best looking PS5 game visually so far. It's a shame about gameplay in those games or it would be on my list.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Judging by just the massive number of people Ratchet & Clank has triggered, we can say it with 100% certainty that it is definitely the best looking game out there.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Seriously bro, who cares?!
Do people look at a game and think, "wow this looks beautiful. This is so enjoyable to play!" or do they go, "Wow, although this game looks beautiful at first glance, let me first see how it is using expensive shaders and how many pixels per triangle it is using, and then I'll reevaluate if it still looks good to me or not?"
Krizalidx11
Banned
Like Killzone 2 demo ?!!
The truth about a suspicious Killzone 2 trailer in 2005 finally comes out
Did you think first Killzone 2 footage looked fishy? Turns out, you weren't alone.
arstechnica.com
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Shmunter
Member
Looks like the best visuals in gaming thus far, difficult to argue otherwise.
Buuut, 30fps. Personally need to see that 60 mode.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
A 15-year old example? That's the best you could do?Like Killzone 2 demo ?!!
The truth about a suspicious Killzone 2 trailer in 2005 finally comes out
Did you think first Killzone 2 footage looked fishy? Turns out, you weren't alone.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Yes it is.
HAL-01
Member
Congrats, you’ve argued that we shouldn’t discuss any game’s graphics before release on the minuscule possibility that they’re all faked. Wrap it up, everyone go homeLike Killzone 2 demo ?!!
The truth about a suspicious Killzone 2 trailer in 2005 finally comes out
Did you think first Killzone 2 footage looked fishy? Turns out, you weren't alone.
Paulxo87
Member
I agree with you. The degree that microsoft got outmaneuvered by cerny and sony on a hardware front is completely embarassing. The 12tflops is total paper tiger given the split memory pool. Maybe if all the memory was at the faster speed it would have stood a chance. It's obvious that sony recognized that memory would be the bottleneck of this gen and created a bespoke I/O system in an attempt to overcompensate - the goal being a REYES type of graphics rendering. The ps5 is the start/practice for devs - ps6 will continue and perfect this trend
But then again - the xsx was just built to be the ultimate game pass machine. They'll be successful in that regard.
Krizalidx11
Banned
A 15-year old example? That's the best you could do?
Let's wait for RnC then
But i'll leave you with some Sony exclusives
Krizalidx11
Banned
Ur welcome
MasterCornholio
Member
Like Killzone 2 demo ?!!
The truth about a suspicious Killzone 2 trailer in 2005 finally comes out
Did you think first Killzone 2 footage looked fishy? Turns out, you weren't alone.
Ratchet and Clank is not a target render though. You really shouldn't confuse the two and just accept that what we saw was real.
Anyways you really need to bring some proof if you think the game was rendered off a high end PC.
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Krizalidx11
Banned
NOPE, i need to get my hands on it 1st
I remember the days of this man telling us PS3 can be your PC
Imagine accepting that because he "showed it" to the world ?!
modiz
Member
It's basically "look at me, look at me! I'm the expert, look at me! Forget about the others, my facts are facts, look at me!"
HAL-01
Member
The uncharted picture is literally from a pre-rendered cutsceneLet's wait for RnC then
But i'll leave you with some Sony exclusives
The infamous one is a change from sunny to overcast
Go act a fool somewhere else
MasterCornholio
Member
NOPE, i need to get my hands on it 1st
I remember the days of this man telling us PS3 can be your PC
Imagine accepting that because he "showed it" to the world ?!
Then demon Souls and Miles Morales happened.
Both are real games (yes you can actually buy them) the same will happen with Ratchet and Clank (no it's not a movie).
Also Digital Foundry pointed out flaws in both gameplay demo so it definitely wasn't made in a server farm.
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HAL-01
Member
Then demon Souls and Miles Morales happened.
Both are real games (yes you can actually buy them) the same will happen with Ratchet and Clank (no it's not a movie).
Also Digital Foundry pointed out flaws in both gameplay demo so it definitely wasn't made in a server farm.
It’s incredible how insecure this game is making people act, first the cyberpunk screenshot spam, now some dude trying to revive 10 year old fud
Game looks great but Im not sure why people get offended when others arent as amazed as they are. If this game has your jaw dropping to the floor then hows your amaze meter gonna scale when the 2nd, 3rd gen games come out?
The game does a really good job of showcasing SSD speeds, the graphics are just pretty good imo.
The game does a really good job of showcasing SSD speeds, the graphics are just pretty good imo.
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MasterCornholio
Member
It's getting really dumb at this point. I watched Digital Foundrys video and they gave reasons why it's real footage and not something generated off a server farm. Things like pixelation, SSR, some objects not giving off light and lower quality models in the ray traced reflections. Now I don't know what the final resolution will be or how stable the frame rate is in the final product but I do know we saw gameplay coming off a PS5. Hence why Sony used captured off PS5 instead of footage representative of PS5 gameplay.
I do agree with people that Insomniac will probably boost the visuals during cutscenes since they have more resources to use in them.
Krizalidx11
Banned
Then demon Souls and Miles Morales happened.
Both are real games (yes you can actually buy them) the same will happen with Ratchet and Clank (no it's not a movie).
Also Digital Foundry pointed out flaws in both gameplay demo so it definitely wasn't made in a server farm.
Anything is possible when the res hit that sweet 1080p
Do i need to remind you that PS5 box got 4k and 8K logos on it?
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