cormack12
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Source: https://www.bloomberg.co.jp/news/articles/2021-02-26/QP0U9BDWLU6M01?srnd=cojp-v2
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[Bloomberg] PS5 M.2 storage support coming in 'summer' with fan curve update
turtlepowa
Banned
So it can get louder with the SSD?
McCheese
Member
That's what it sounds like, yes.
Yeah, sounds like it and it will depend on the ssd that you use. Not sure if there is any good way to estimate it though.
turtlepowa
Banned
If think the best way is to wait and let others betatest it then
Shmunter
Member
Yeah but does it make a sound at all now? If it does, I can’t hear it.
STARSBarry
Gold Member
I really hope it has the space to support M.2 with heatsinks, some of those can make a dramatic difference due to the increased surface area.
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Is the new summer firmware fan boost just for the ssd? You could almost take it like the fan boost is for summer and the by product is the ssd might not melt anymore.
Mike Zhang
Member
Does it mean we will get the ssd whitelist soon?
Mr Moose
Member
Isn't that the dude who makes shit up?
Memorabilia
Member
Considering the paltry SSD size, it's still kinda baffling that basic features like SSD storage upgrade and external USB archive/cold storage weren't options at launch and will take upwards of 7-10 months to deliver...
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longdi
Banned
i think dude is the one who first reported on SCEJ plight
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
They do run hot yeah.
Tommi84
Member
they are ultra fast and yeah, they run rather hot. Some even have their own heat sinks.
Mr Moose
Member
Is he not the same guy who was talking about the 15M PS5s and shit? I might be confusing him with another Bloomberg guy.
Vae_Victis
Banned
The SSD slot is attached to the board in a position very close to the fan, so I don't think effective cooling for the system at large will be impacted all that much.
What, if anything, I would worry about is the SSD itself overheating, since it's enclosed in a plastic coffin and only marginally affected by the fan. And, since it's separated from the rest of the air space inside the console and the air around it will probably not be very affected by the fan, I don't even know how much of a difference a heat sink would do.
But then again, I assume Sony did their calculations and kept this in mind to some extent when they built the chassis, and I'm just a hardware chimp going by limited experience and some common sense physics.
What, if anything, I would worry about is the SSD itself overheating, since it's enclosed in a plastic coffin and only marginally affected by the fan. And, since it's separated from the rest of the air space inside the console and the air around it will probably not be very affected by the fan, I don't even know how much of a difference a heat sink would do.
But then again, I assume Sony did their calculations and kept this in mind to some extent when they built the chassis, and I'm just a hardware chimp going by limited experience and some common sense physics.
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longdi
Banned
he is too, and we cant say he ain't right. jsony came out and only said they never disclose sales target publicly
The Hamburglar
Banned
Considering the paltry SSD size, it's still kinda baffling that basic features like SSD storage upgrade and external USB archive/cold storage weren't options at launch and will take upwards of 7-10 months to deliver...
They just wasn’t forward thinking as dear Xbox.
Expandable storage
12tf
Sustained performance
longdi
Banned
seems like quite a rough calculation imo. lacking finese in the implementation
they could have made the cover double up as a heatsink once you remove it to install your own ssd. something like the inner sides are fins and they include a thermal adhesive pad
Mr Moose
Member
I thought they said they hadn't changed anything which proved he was full of shit?
SkylineRKR
Member
Considering the paltry SSD size, it's still kinda baffling that basic features like SSD storage upgrade and external USB archive/cold storage weren't options at launch and will take upwards of 7-10 months to deliver...
Yeah but luckily PS5 has no GP and every PS4 game defaults to my T7. I still have lots of space left. Its going as fast as my Xbox with GP where I don't bother to transfer retro to an external and all enhanced games go to internal anyway.
futurama78
Banned
So there’s a regular sized ssd in there? And a m.2 expansion?
longdi
Banned
iirc they said they dont disclose internal numbers and nothing has changed.
Little Chicken
Member
Unlocking fan noise as a feature is new.
Vae_Victis
Banned
I think that would have been difficult because there is not a universal standard for M.2 SSD sizes. So if you calculate your lodging to "just fit" some SSDs, you risk some others not fitting at all (like ones with a sudo-heat sink incorporated in the design).
If I'll ever have to install an SSD in a PS5, I might just put a heat sink on myself and then not put the plastic cover back on at all, regardless its size. It would still be shielded by the external plastic plate, it's not like it would be much more exposed to dust than an SSD in a standard computer after all.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
You don't have smart shift without forward thinking. High clocks were by designed and it wasn't some last minute decision. The flaw with expandable storage similar to XsX is that you have to buy storage device MS gives you. PS5 allows you to choose your own that's compatible.
skit_data
Member
I saw some people speculate that the plastic plate will make the air flow through the SSD slot better, leaving it open without the plate might make airflow worse.
kuncol02
Banned
No. PS5 has nand chips on it's mainboard. It's fully integrated with no way to replace anything in case of any malfunction. There is no regular sized SSD at all.
LisaMariaMartin
Banned
If by regular you are thinking of a 2.5 inch pc type drive no, the built in ssd is part of the motherboard and the flash chips, controller and io are soldered to it. Then there is the expansion which this thread is about and its for a pc pcie4 nvme m.2 ssd.
futurama78
Banned
BUT I HEARD WE’D HAVE PUNCH AND PIE
TheTechnician
Banned
The band chips would be fine though. They like it hit actually. Its the controllers who need to be cooled.
Since the addons SSD anyway will be commanded by PS5s Custom Controller could it be that they somehow "deactivate" the third party controller and data unaltered just passes through?
The PS5s controller is cooled enough I suppose..
Since the addons SSD anyway will be commanded by PS5s Custom Controller could it be that they somehow "deactivate" the third party controller and data unaltered just passes through?
The PS5s controller is cooled enough I suppose..
futurama78
Banned
PS5 needs 5 hard drives
there's some cerny magic in this design . /s Honestly how is it possible that they didn't realize the heat increase they would need to change the fan speed (probably in addition to generating more noise will it take more watts?)
I don't like the sound of all of this at all..
I don't like the sound of all of this at all..
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bitbydeath
Member
This guy is usually full of shit so take with massive grains of salt.
turtlepowa
Banned
Perhaps now (for most consoles), but the summer with 30+ degree room temperature + the SSD could be interesting.
Chukhopops
Member
I think they knew and that’s part of the reason they didn’t make the feature available at launch. They had to do internal testing with existing SSDs and look at the thermals before launching the system.
But I don’t think the difference in fan speed or noise will be huge.
I hope you are right. And even more I hope this rumor is completely false because we know how temperatures affect consoles. from all points of view from sound to performance
skit_data
Member
Its kinda interesting that SSDs degrade less when they are in that perfect sweetspot. Too cold makes them degrade faster, too hot makes them degrade faster. Maybe this whole testing is to provide them enough data to be able to set the optimal airflow to make degradation to a minimum for each specific SSD?
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captainraincoat
Banned
So the ms solution was a better option??....zero issues with the Seagate slot in stick despite the stupid price
I don't want my ps5 sounding like a hair dryer so I would pay extra for a custom solution that does not make it louder
I don't want my ps5 sounding like a hair dryer so I would pay extra for a custom solution that does not make it louder