Aja
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My jumps up to 1995mhz sometimes but usually settles in the 1970-80mhz (usually sometimes a bit lower) range when I game. I have an MSI Trio X Gaming 3080.
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My jumps up to 1995mhz sometimes but usually settles in the 1970-80mhz (usually sometimes a bit lower) range when I game. I have an MSI Trio X Gaming 3080.
Im thinking of undervolting my 3080, any simple guides I can follow? Never did that before.
Aja
Neo Member
This is a rather easy "guide" to follow:
How to Undervolt an NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 for better performance
Now if you are one of the few people who pre-ordered an RTX 3080 and received one, this guide covers undervolting the all-new card in detail.
factschronicle.com
Don't forget to stress test the undervolt though to see if it's stable. I use the "bright memory" benchmark since that one pusches the card with RT and so on.
Rbk_3
Member
My TUF had coil whine and this came up instore to grab. I’m going to buy an EVGA hybrid kit when they become available. TUF sold in 5 minutes on CL at cost even disclosing the coil whine.
I might need a new case and the only way I think it works with my NH D15 is as a front intake so I’m not sure how that’s gonna go pumping all that heat in. Might have to get an AIO cooler.
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Aesius
Member
How much did you sell your TUF 3080 for?
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Deleted member 17706
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Really want to get a 3080, but man, that 10GB of VRAM is concerning. I think I'll wait until they come out with something that has at least 12 GB (16 is preferable) and doesn't cost more than $1,000.
mr.dilya
Banned
its not that big of a difference in price, I’d go for the 12 cores and be good for the next 5-7 years
Rbk_3
Member
My FTW 3090 is a beast. Top 2% in Timespy Graphics, top 5% in Time Spy Extreme Graphics , Top 8% in Port Royal. Passed all at +195 +1150 on air with no other cooling help. Going to get the Hybrid Cooler for sure
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Sold it for what I paid. Sold in 5 minutes even with disclosing the coil whine. Dude drove 2 hours to get it
I scored 9 835 in Time Spy Extreme
Intel Core i9-9900KS Processor, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 x 1, 32768 MB, 64-bit Windows 10}
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I scored 19 712 in Time Spy
Intel Core i9-9900KS Processor, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 x 1, 32768 MB, 64-bit Windows 10}
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I scored 14 476 in Port Royal
Intel Core i9-9900KS Processor, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 x 1, 32768 MB, 64-bit Windows 10}
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Sold it for what I paid. Sold in 5 minutes even with disclosing the coil whine. Dude drove 2 hours to get it
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michaelius
Banned
Got my 3080 after 70 days of waiting (ordered 9 minutes after launch , if i was minute later i'd still be waiting)
Unfortunately I went for Ventus which was cheap ( I got it for price of FE so it would be impossible to find deal like that today).
That model is pretty much usable only with undervolting.
At stock it was boosting up to 1860 at 320W power limit which cannot be increased and had ugly coil whine and was pretty noisy.
So i spent last few evening experimenting with UV
Managed to find two promising settings
1905@0,875V , +500 memory - it scored around 600 pts more in 3DMark Timespy that stock - power consumption was in 280-310W range, coils were still audible sadly
1844@0,825, +500 memory - it gives performance around stock results but cuts power consumption to 240-260W (through Rise of TR somehow pushes it to 280W unlike even Ray Tracing supporting titles), at this setting coils are barely audible and fans work at reasonable speed
Normally I'd probably send it back but with inflated prices now I'd have to pay 200-300 euro more for better variant so I'll just keep it at that lower setting (which still blows my 1080ti away) and save cash for next generation.
tl;dr - buy Ventus only if it's significantly cheaper than other variants and accept that you will have to do some heavy undervolting
Unfortunately I went for Ventus which was cheap ( I got it for price of FE so it would be impossible to find deal like that today).
That model is pretty much usable only with undervolting.
At stock it was boosting up to 1860 at 320W power limit which cannot be increased and had ugly coil whine and was pretty noisy.
So i spent last few evening experimenting with UV
Managed to find two promising settings
1905@0,875V , +500 memory - it scored around 600 pts more in 3DMark Timespy that stock - power consumption was in 280-310W range, coils were still audible sadly
1844@0,825, +500 memory - it gives performance around stock results but cuts power consumption to 240-260W (through Rise of TR somehow pushes it to 280W unlike even Ray Tracing supporting titles), at this setting coils are barely audible and fans work at reasonable speed
Normally I'd probably send it back but with inflated prices now I'd have to pay 200-300 euro more for better variant so I'll just keep it at that lower setting (which still blows my 1080ti away) and save cash for next generation.
tl;dr - buy Ventus only if it's significantly cheaper than other variants and accept that you will have to do some heavy undervolting
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mansoor1980
Gold Member
any update on 3060ti reviews?
regawdless
Banned
Why would that be concerning? 10GB of very fast VRAM with very high bandwidth is more than enough. As I've said in another thread, Flight Simulator maxed at 4k uses 4GB of VRAM. The 3080 will be fine for years to come. People really need to stop with that VRAM panic.
Ascend
Member
There's at least one game that overfills the RTX 3070 8GB VRAM already. If you upgrade every two years or so, it's not going to be an issue. If you upgrade every 4 years or longer, 10GB is definitely a valid concern, especially if you want to play at 4K.
And that is without taking RT into account, which is more taxing on VRAM than rasterization. Obviously if you use DLSS it will go down.
I'm curious to see how people will peep when the 20GB 3080(Ti) drops. I bet suddenly the amount of VRAM will become very important.
TriSuit666
Banned
DF also saw this with Doom Eternal as well, but noted the trade off by dropping down a notch didn't make much of a difference in image quality.
Soulblighter31
Banned
The 20 GB variant will cost between 1000 and 1200 dollars. Basically how the 2080Ti was. You can be sure 9 out 10 people will go for a 10 gig version.
BluRayHiDef
Banned
Looks like the RTX 3090 is the best card to get right now due to providing the best balance between rasterization, ray tracing, and memory capacity. Every other card available at the moment is compromised in regard to at least one of these aspects.
This is ironic because a lot of people bashed buyers of the RTX 3090 due to its price.
Ascend
Member
Yeah. I don't encourage anyone to buy an RTX 3090... Its price is the aspect it is compromised in.
That being said, I would not encourage anyone to buy any card right now, unless you can get it within $50 of MSRP.
michaelius
Banned
Forget about playing 4k for 4 years on 3080 in modern AAA titles. Even now when I enable RT I'm getting 60+ ranges in 1440p. You will need DLSS for that and that cuts ram usage since in reality you render at lower resolution.
BluRayHiDef
Banned
A high price tag for well-balanced performance in rasterization, ray tracing, and memory capacity is unavoidable; the RTX 3080 Ti, which will perform nearly identically to the RTX 3090, won't be as expensive but will still cost at least $1000 if not more.
Anything cheaper will either have buttloads of VRAM and perform really well in rasterization but will perform poorly in ray tracing (e.g. RX 6800 XT, RX 6900 XT, etc) or will peform really well in both rasterization and ray tracing but will have a worrisome amount of VRAM (e.g. RTX 3070 and RTX 3080).
GaviotaGrande
Banned
I don't really know if that's the case. I think 3080 is a better choice as price difference is huge and performance gains are laughable. I would say it's best to buy 3080 now and upgrade as soon as 4000 series cards are released.
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mansoor1980
Gold Member
palit rtx 3060ti available for pre order at a local retailer, available on dec 6th with 1 year warranty but the price is ridiculous , equates to 550 usd
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Rickyiez
Member
I've tried 2 RTX 3080 that stays around 1950-2000Mhz with boost. My current Gigabyte Eagle and previous Zotac Trinity. The Zotac was at stock while the Gigabyte one I used auto scan with the Auros Engine software.
So I'm not sure why people said 3080 doesn't oc well, aren't those numbers way higher than stock? (1440mhz)
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Rikkori
Member
Yeah, the prices at retailers are rough. 3060 Ti starts at just 60€ below (what I paid for) my RX 6800, and that makes it a no go. It's too bad Cyberpunk got delayed into this launch mess, as I would've had no issue waiting for MSRP prices for cards if I had already played it in April. Very curious to see some benchmarks of that game though, we're so close!
Ascend
Member
The RTX 3060 Ti is a mighty impressive upgrade when compared to Nvidia’s previous $400 offering, the RTX 2060 Super, offering 50% more performance at the same price point. The 2060 Super wasn’t exactly great value however, same as most of Turing's lineup, and in this price range the go to option for best performance for your dollar was the Radeon RX 5700 XT. In that comparison, the RTX 3060 Ti is offering about 20% more performance.
The 5700 XT has been available for about 18 months, so a 20% boost in that timeframe isn’t bad, it’s just not earth shattering. Had the RTX 3060 Ti offered more VRAM, it’d be a bit more exciting and perhaps more enticing for someone already rocking a 5700 series GPU.
The RTX 3060 Ti is a great upgrade option for those with something like a GTX 1070, who decided to skip Turing, the ray tracing hype generation that offered very little in the way of a cost per frame improvement. For those with a GTX 1070, you’re looking at a 90% performance uplift on average at 1440p, while GTX 1080 owners are looking at a solid 60% performance uplift. You’re also getting ray tracing support, which as you know from previous reviews, it's not something I personally find relevant because of the small but growing list of games supported (and consequent performance hit).
www.techspot.com
The 5700 XT has been available for about 18 months, so a 20% boost in that timeframe isn’t bad, it’s just not earth shattering. Had the RTX 3060 Ti offered more VRAM, it’d be a bit more exciting and perhaps more enticing for someone already rocking a 5700 series GPU.
The RTX 3060 Ti is a great upgrade option for those with something like a GTX 1070, who decided to skip Turing, the ray tracing hype generation that offered very little in the way of a cost per frame improvement. For those with a GTX 1070, you’re looking at a 90% performance uplift on average at 1440p, while GTX 1080 owners are looking at a solid 60% performance uplift. You’re also getting ray tracing support, which as you know from previous reviews, it's not something I personally find relevant because of the small but growing list of games supported (and consequent performance hit).
Nvidia GeForce RTX 3060 Ti Review
The new GeForce RTX 3060 Ti is Nvidia's latest $400 GPU designed to replace the RTX 2060 Super. The RTX 3060 Ti should be a substantial upgrade...
www.techspot.com
mansoor1980
Gold Member
man i wish i had the 2060 right now , no pont in upgrading if u game at 1080p
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Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
at 1440p its served me well but its clearly lacking just a bit. THe thing is I dont think its lacking enough to push me to a 3060 at this point. I think I will wait till 4000 series to see a bigger jump.
Ascend
Member
Techspot;
Another relevant point to this conversation, of the four 3060 Ti graphics cards we have on hand, none of them will be available at the $400 MSRP. The Evga RTX 3060 Ti FTW3 Ultra is expected to cost $450, while the MSI RTX 3060 Ti Gaming X Trio will start at $470, and we expect we’ll see a similar price for the Gigabyte RTX 3060 Ti Gaming OC Pro. Asus didn’t get us proper pricing in time for this review, but rest assured that the ROG Strix model will cost at least $500, at which point you might as well start looking at buying an RTX 3070 instead.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
I expect the 3070s from them(partners) wont be the $499 either?
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Ascend
Member
Most likely, yes. But I think they were referring to a reference 3070.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
I think they point still stands for me then. The higher price for any of them doesn't make a lot of sense to me in terms of performance per dollar. I would likely still with reference coolers anyway as they seem to be quite good and premium from a partner doesn't seem to make a lot sense unless I am going for something specific.
Manstructiclops
Banned
So pretty much at this point you'd be better off getting in the EVGA queue for the cheapest 3070 which is $530. Don't get me wrong, if I can get a 3060 for $400 it'd be very tempting, I'm just not expecting to have much luck there either.
RedVIper
Banned
Oh no, he had to drop the texture size.
I don't think that VRAM will be a huge issue because you'll run into performance issues before you run into VRAM bottlenecks, dropping texture quality will lead to a negligible difference in visual quality.
That said I do wish they would have gotten these cards into the 12GB territory, on the other hand I think AMD went overboard and I'd rather they had cut back and made the cards a bit cheaper.
DeaDPo0L84
Member
As someone who plays on a 38" ultrawide that *small* increase in performance was necessary. I tried a 3080 and the performance drop was easily noticeable. But for most the extra cost may not be worth the increase in performance, plus everyone's setups are not the same.
GaviotaGrande
Banned
Indeed. I play on 65'' CX with Gsync. To be honest upgrade to Gsync was equally as important as upgrading from 2080Ti to 3080.
Wow, it's crazy, the card that Nvidia DIDN'T gimp on the VRAM happens to be the best deal? Which is also their most expensive card! What a coincidence.
That's what some of us have always been complaining about since the start, 8GB VRAM in 2020 is already pushing it to the limit, I remember YOU being one of the people defending Nvidia's choice saying "Oh but the faster RAM will help!" when in turn it does jack shit when games actually need more VRAM to breath. If you're going to be a shill at least be consistent!
Ascend
Member
That's not a big deal by itself... But if you spend more than $500 on a card, one has to ask if the hassle of optimizing settings because you lack VRAM is really such a great idea.
I have heard this kind of argument for years. But I found it to be strictly not true in my personal experience, as someone that keeps cards for quite a long time. The first few cards that I had 20 years ago, had this issue. They were too slow to make use of their additional RAM. The latest three, they all ran out of VRAM while they could still have performed well enough.
I still think the consoles have something to do with it. During the X360/PS3 time, the consoles had abysmal RAM compared to the PC. And even then, my RAM ran out on my graphics card before the GPU core was truly a limit. Right now, it's only going to get worse. It is not unreasonable to expect 10GB of RAM as the baseline console experience. If you want your PC experience to be superior, it's better to have more.
Better safe than sorry still applies.
I don't think 4GB less would have made that much difference on their pricing. The majority of the cost is going into the GPU die, if we focus on the actual product and ignore marketing, the supply chain etc...
And I think their hardware configuration is what made them decide this. AMD most likely had to choose between 8GB and 16GB for their 6800 series card, so they went for 16.
nVidia had to choose between 10GB and 20GB for their 3080. They went with 10GB. (likely because GDDR6X is expensive and power hungry).
Weird RAM configurations can be a pain to optimize. The only hardware that I know of that has such a thing is the Xbox Series S/X. Both nVidia and AMD will avoid such a configuration on their own cards like the plague. So they will choose a multiple of whatever their memory bus can handle in the most simple way.
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kittoo
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If someone can help me out with my 3080 issue that would be great.
My 3080 gets really hot during gaming. HWmonitor showed 87 degrees max after a gaming session! Its perfectly cool at idle, sitting at 38 degrees. The airflow in the case is good. 3 intake front fans, 2 exhaust fans- one at rear and one at top. Mobo temp etc also seem fine.
Why is it getting so hot? I tried keeping fans at 95% during gaming but didn't help much. It's a colorful ultra OC card. The reviews of all colorful 3080 cards point to them being pretty cool.
My 3080 gets really hot during gaming. HWmonitor showed 87 degrees max after a gaming session! Its perfectly cool at idle, sitting at 38 degrees. The airflow in the case is good. 3 intake front fans, 2 exhaust fans- one at rear and one at top. Mobo temp etc also seem fine.
Why is it getting so hot? I tried keeping fans at 95% during gaming but didn't help much. It's a colorful ultra OC card. The reviews of all colorful 3080 cards point to them being pretty cool.
Armorian
Banned
If someone can help me out with my 3080 issue that would be great.
My 3080 gets really hot during gaming. HWmonitor showed 87 degrees max after a gaming session! Its perfectly cool at idle, sitting at 38 degrees. The airflow in the case is good. 3 intake front fans, 2 exhaust fans- one at rear and one at top. Mobo temp etc also seem fine.
Why is it getting so hot? I tried keeping fans at 95% during gaming but didn't help much. It's a colorful ultra OC card. The reviews of all colorful 3080 cards point to them being pretty cool.
Undervolt it
regawdless
Banned
Usually, when VRAM is full, there should be really hard drops. Either way, I own Doom Eternal, will try to measure the real VRAM usage later tonight and see what's going on with this game.
CuNi
Member
And this will be different for AMD?
No, and that's the point why VRAM arguments are obsolete. By the time 10GB will not be enough for Ultra/Very High, the 10gb won't be the bottleneck anyway because it'll lack the power. You'll have to drop settings anyway which will bring you back below 10gb. It's no different on AMD. there is no real "future proofing". Future proofing just means being able to use your card longer bin the high settings than others.
AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
I'm gonna try, in vain, to get a 3060ti simply so that I can swap out my 1080ti and sell it before it inevitably plummets in value as newer cards become more available next year.
Cheeky small performance boost and RTX will be nice on my current 1440p setup.
Cheeky small performance boost and RTX will be nice on my current 1440p setup.
