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[Kagey K]

Are some people really celebrating a patch that downgrades the PS5 version, when the previous build already showed the game running much better on PS5 than even the current Xbox build?

Not the current Xbox build, it runs almost flawlessly 60 now.

Framerate is king.

 

[sinnergy]

Honestly this is the wrong game to be arguing about which console is better.

All Ubisoft is doing is tweaking the dynamic resolution profiles of the game. They are absolutely not optimizing or extracting any of the consoles respective capabilities.

That is why we're now seeing better performance on Xbox (albeit with a more aggressive dynamic scaler that goes as low as 1080p). And a higher average resolution on PS5 at the cost of performance and more screen tearing.

This has nothing to do with Xbox or PS5's capabilities. This is Ubisoft implementing a cheap ass fix that does a great disservice to both consoles.

Yes always think the most evil scenario. But it could also be a quick fix for now to improve perf ( with COVID ) so gamers have a benefit now, and another proper fix is coming..

But maybe I am to positive in life .

 

[Calverz]

Seriously do people still care about this franchise? Lol

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

XSX is best version if you play on a 1080p display now.

Is framerate or resolution better? I think just about everyone can agree with stable framerate over resolution. Especially over lower framerate and tearing. That shit is a no no.

 

[Low Moral Fibre]

We have mean numbers of total frames.

Before patch

After patch

Ps5 dropped in resolution and frame on average

And that is useless information if you don't consider the circumstances those frames were recorded in. If it is definitely like for like then yes it got worse but if you watch both videos side by side (even the first 8ish minutes where I presume these numbers came from) they are clearly not identical.

600 frames is 10ish seconds and there are definitely a lot more than 10 seconds of the two videos that aren't the same as he cuts to different scenes at different times (although the cut scene bits do sync up and look the same or slightly better FPS wise post patch to me).

The only way you could compare would be an on rails benchmark which the game doesn't have.

 

[MaulerX]

Yes always think the most evil scenario. But it could also be a quick fix for now to improve perf ( with COVID ) so gamers have a benefit now, and another proper fix is coming..

But maybe I am to positive in life .

No. The most evil scenarios come from idiots spreading fake conspiracy theories on Twitter. Saying that Ubisoft messed with the PS5's performance because Phil Spencer made them do it.

 

[FranXico]

Not the current Xbox build, it runs almost flawlessly 60 now.

Framerate is king.

The PS5 build before this patch ran better than the current Xbox build. Had even less tearing.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

Ubisoft is shit is the only conclusion I can draw at this point

As far as I'm aware people were happy with the performance of PS5?

Maybe Microsoft wasn't? #paritygate

 

[Kagey K]

The PS5 build before this patch ran better than the current Xbox build. Had even less tearing.

What about effects and draw distance?

 

[FranXico]

What about effects and draw distance?

Effects, textures, draw distance, all the same. Just bigger resolution on PS5 (still the case after this incompetent patch, though).

 

[Low Moral Fibre]

If you add up the total number frames he includes the torch section post patch but not pre patch. Anyone that has played this game (I wonder how many people in this thread this actually applies to?) will tell you the torch crushes frame rates on everything even PC.

You can't use these videos to show Ubisoft broke performance on PS5 post patch as they are not like for like. Maybe DF will have some like for like footage that shows PS5 has been broken post patch but these videos do not show that it's any worse.

 

[Kagey K]

Effects, textures, draw distance, all the same. Just bigger resolution on PS5 (still the case after this incompetent patch, though).

I think you are wrong, it I’ll wait for a more technical analysis to prove it.

 

[Cherrypepsi]

It's hilarious how frame rate and tearing were the be all and end all before the patch, but now certain people seem to want to ignore that like I said before the patch results frame drops and tearing affect the gameplay far more than a resolution scaler you're not going to notice whilst playing. Funny I was the first person he thought of again to in the opening post, bless him ♥

No VRR support means it's even worse on PS5, there is now a case all the multiplats are better on Xbox, as it should be.

We're you not the one who played with VRR enabled?
You should not be happy with this patch either, you basically just went from 1440p to 1080p with no change in overall motion clarity.

 

[FranXico]

If you add up the total number frames he includes the torch section post patch but not pre patch. Anyone that has played this game (I wonder how many people in this thread this actually applies to?) will tell you the torch crushes frame rates on everything even PC.

You can't use these videos to show Ubisoft broke performance on PS5 post patch as they are not like for like. Maybe DF will have some like for like footage that shows PS5 has been broken post patch but these videos do not show that it's any worse.

VGTech showed comprehensive stats before and after this patch. They downgraded performance on PS5.

 

[Riky]

We're you not the one who played with VRR enabled?
You should not be happy with this patch either, you basically just went from 1440p to 1080p with no change in overall motion clarity.

It's a few seconds, I'll live.

 

[Low Moral Fibre]

VGTech showed comprehensive stats before and after this patch. They downgraded performance on PS5.

Jesus.. No they didn't - or at least this video doesn't show that.

Watch the video from 8:14 onwards for the torch section and that is where all the torn frames and frame drops are - this wasn't in the first video.

It is not like for like how is this so hard for people to understand?

 

[sublimit]

Has there ever been another case of a "patch" that deliberately downgraded the performance of a game?

I guess MS's marketing team finally had a "little talk" with Ubisoft lol. Ironic how the company with the supposed "most powerful console ever" had (once again) to use such tactics.

 

[Riky]

Has there ever been another case of a "patch" that deliberately downgraded the performance of a game?

I guess MS's marketing team finally had a "little talk" with Ubisoft lol. Ironic how the company with the supposed "most powerful console ever" had (once again) to use such tactics.

You got any proof of this?

I'd say it's much more likely as has been shown several times that Ubisoft is pretty incompetent, it's really as simple as that.

 

[jonnyp]

Are some people really celebrating a patch that downgrades the PS5 version, when the previous build already showed the game running much better on PS5 than even the current Xbox build?

Utter desperation from the usual suspects.

 

[phil_t98]

Has there ever been another case of a "patch" that deliberately downgraded the performance of a game?

I guess MS's marketing team finally had a "little talk" with Ubisoft lol. Ironic how the company with the supposed "most powerful console ever" had (once again) to use such tactics.

how can you say they deliberately downgraded the game? what's the evidence they did it on purpose?

 

[sublimit]

You got any proof of this?

I'd say it's much more likely as has been shown several times that Ubisoft is pretty incompetent, it's really as simple as that.

how can you say they deliberately downgraded the game? what's the evidence they did it on purpose?

Do you have any proof that they didn't?
This is obviously just my assumption (just like you have yours) based on the facts that this is a game that MS had an exclusive marketing deal with Ubisoft and the game ended up running worse on their console than on PS5.
MS got ridiculed due to the game running worse on "the most powerful console ever" (a phrase that their marketing has been heavily promoting for a while now) and then suddenly a patch comes out that makes the PS5 version perform worse than it did before.

So yeah excuse me if i'm a bit suspicious on what happened behind the scenes especially since MS is known for forcing parity. I remember back in the Xbox360 days when they said they will refuse to allow a game to come out for their console if it run worse than the competition.

 

[Riky]

Do you have any proof that they didn't?
This is obviously just my assumption (just like you have yours) based on the facts that this is a game that MS had an exclusive marketing deal with Ubisoft and the game ended up running worse on their console than on PS5.
MS got ridiculed due to the game running worse on "the most powerful console ever" (a phrase that their marketing has been heavily promoting for a while now) and then suddenly a patch comes out that makes the PS5 version perform worse than it did before.

So yeah excuse me if i'm a bit suspicious on what happened behind the scenes especially since MS is known for forcing parity. I remember back in the Xbox360 days when they said they will refuse to allow a game to come out for their console if it run worse than the competition.

If this was the case why wouldn't Microsoft make sure their version ran better before release? Why wait until release get a load of bad publicity and then decide to tell Ubisoft to gimp the PS5 version

 

[sublimit]

If this was the case why wouldn't Microsoft make sure their version ran better before release? Why wait until release get a load of bad publicity and then decide to tell Ubisoft to gimp the PS5 version

Maybe because they didn't expect it? Or maybe because their quality assurance didn't compared both versions and thought that XSX version run good enough? (Which actually indeed it run fine just that some parts were running better on PS5.)

 

[alabtrosMyster]

This one scene from Norway, i believe. Looks to be winter time. You can see clearly the Series S and PS5 have a similar rock image. Series X does not. Maybe if it's shown to them, can identify the cause?

Same lights,

I see more similarities between X and PS5 in there, the light is the same color.
Same trees
Same branches in the trees.
Same rocks
Same details in the rocks (the little we can make up on the screengrab).
Same houses or whatever.
Same lights, but cooler (blueish) on the S

 

[Old Empire.]

Are you seriously trying to compare visuals/IQ from a YT video while setting the resolution at 720p and possibly even lower 480p? What a disingenuous post dude. You're purposefully trying to make the superior version (PS5) look worse.

EDIT:
Here's the same grab with 4K selected. Even this is still heavily compressed and wouldn't be fair to compare IQ.

I just highlighting noticeable difference in lighting. Even a change in resolution does not make all the versions the same. You can see clearly the corner edge of the mountain is illuminated on the series and in shadow on the Series S and PS5. It's seem to occur in other scenes too.

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

Do you have any proof that they didn't?
This is obviously just my assumption (just like you have yours) based on the facts that this is a game that MS had an exclusive marketing deal with Ubisoft and the game ended up running worse on their console than on PS5.
MS got ridiculed due to the game running worse on "the most powerful console ever" (a phrase that their marketing has been heavily promoting for a while now) and then suddenly a patch comes out that makes the PS5 version perform worse than it did before.

So yeah excuse me if i'm a bit suspicious on what happened behind the scenes especially since MS is known for forcing parity. I remember back in the Xbox360 days when they said they will refuse to allow a game to come out for their console if it run worse than the competition.

The burden of proof lies on the one making the bold claim.

 

[MilkyJoe]

Why is it so low on the xobx?

MS are looking at it. I'm guessing shitty tools. Probably just all well I can't get one if all the games have to be patched.

Microsoft acknowledges Xbox Series X and S performance issues

Microsoft has acknowledged performance issues with some Xbox Series X and S games that were found to run better on Play…

www.eurogamer.net

 

[Armorian]

I just highlighting noticeable difference in lighting. Even a change in resolution does not make all the versions the same. You can see clearly the corner edge of the mountain is illuminated on the series and in shadow on the Series S and PS5. It's seem to occur in other scenes too.

WTF are you talking about? This game has dynamic TOD and weather, of course it's going to look different and I'm surprised they were able to match both versions so good in this comparisons.

You used some crap screengrabs and people are wasting their time commenting them (including me right now). It's confirmed that PS5 has higher resolution than XSX, deal with it.

 

[Old Empire.]

I just highlighting the scene. You can see the rock on Series x more detailed and illuminated by a light source.

The PS5 and Series S mountain rock is darkened and in shadow.

The series X stands out if you highlight the feature.

WTF are you talking about? This game has dynamic TOD and weather, of course it's going to look different and I'm surprised they were able to match both versions so good in this comparisons.

You used some crap screengrabs and people are wasting their time commenting them (including me right now). It's confirmed that PS5 has higher resolution than XSX, deal with it.

The scene here has the same weather affects.; How can the weather be causing that? It's the same scene and place exactly.

 

[Low Moral Fibre]

So worse case very slight to best case non-existent difference in PS5 frame-rate between patches when comparing like for like scenes and y'all up in here arguing like Ubisoft halved the frame-rate.

It ran below 60fps before in certain circumstances and still does.

 

[jimbojim]

Why they crippled PS5 version? It was just fine before this crappy patch

 

[jroc74]

Ubisoft need to roll back this patch immediately.

That PS5 users have to either not install it or delete and redownload for the original performance is amazing.

I wonder if there was really nothing wrong with PS5 and probably PC...why even mess with those 2 platforms? Should have just done Series X and then the others on a case by case basis.

 

[Old Empire.]

From the 4k image, different scene in the game. The PS5 and Series S Mountain corner edge, match closely in appearance. They define series X again, here illuminated by light, and the cracks and edges of the mountain are easier to see and make out.

 

[Mr Moose]

I just highlighting the scene. You can see the rock on Series x more detailed and illuminated by a light source.

The PS5 and Series S mountain rock is darkened and in shadow.

The series X stands out if you highlight the feature.

The scene here has the same weather affects.; How can the weather be causing that? It's the same scene and place exactly.

ToD = time of day.

 

[NullZ3r0]

You gotta let them have their time in the sun...going to be a long generation

And you better believe I won't let them forget.

 

[Old Empire.]

ToD = time of day.

The scene identical in all three versions, you can see it's day. For whatever reason the PS5 seems to have less background detail. Fact its noticeable in different scenes make it interesting. Series S and PS5 are very similar.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

The only way you could compare would be an on rails benchmark which the game doesn't have.

No, even on PC if you can run similar enough passes a couple of times and get an average it's better because you know you run the full/real game code.

But I agree that if you run the thing only once, if there are drops that occur on a specific scenario, on one or more platform, this means you might catch them only on one machine, but if you run it a couple of times things even out (or confirm what you saw on the 1st run)... either way, this is the best we have on consoles, and it does let us see the differences, however so small in many cases that they can reasonably discounted as meaningless (except for the technically obsessed, which is valid, but these people should also know to tell their friends "well there is a minute difference in a couple of games, but even I would not notice them while playing")... which is unlike any generation I have seen before.

Maybe next time with a possible switch to ARM based architectures we can expect some significant difference again.

 

[jroc74]

How are people counting 1080p as better performance. Lolol

Because resolution doesn't matter now that it looks like it will be the same or worse than PS5 at times. I get why it was done, good for those that don't care.

Living and dying by the power pr is taking a toll on some ppl.

Are some people really celebrating a patch that downgrades the PS5 version, when the previous build already showed the game running much better on PS5 than even the current Xbox build?

Hey, some ppl gotta get that confirmation bias from somewhere. Might as well be this.

 

[Concern]

He had a point, every time a game came in on XB1 with higher resolution, but dropped a frame here or there, Sony was declared the winner at a lower res, because it didn’t drop.

Now the same logic doesn’t apply?

I wouldn’t say he was derailing, (there are a billion posts before his that were off topic) but it’s not like we haven’t seen enough of these posts from both sides.

I only picked out your post because you claimed that it would be fixed in the next few days, so I assume you must have some insider knowledge at UBI, otherwise you might be talking out your ass.

TheLastWord agrees 100000%

Its his favorite argument every time the pro managed a frame or two higher than the 1X although the 1X ran at a significantly higher resolution.

I love reading these threads and moving of goalposts .

 

[Mr Moose]

The scene identical in all three versions, you can see it's day. For whatever reason the PS5 seems to have less background detail. Fact its noticeable in different scenes make it interesting. Series S and PS5 are very similar.

The time of day is dynamic, that's the reason for the lighting.
There is no difference.

 

[SlimeGooGoo]

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[NullZ3r0]

The PS5 build before this patch ran better than the current Xbox build. Had even less tearing.

Sometimes bad code can produce better performance on different hardware. Fixing the code on PC/SX/SS could have negatively impacted the PS5.

All they need to do is lower the scaling floor on the PS5 version.

 

[Evilms]

 

[Armorian]

I just highlighting the scene. You can see the rock on Series x more detailed and illuminated by a light source.

The PS5 and Series S mountain rock is darkened and in shadow.

The series X stands out if you highlight the feature.

The scene here has the same weather affects.; How can the weather be causing that? It's the same scene and place exactly.

Special for you:

Few minutes have passed...

 

[Synless]

Just like Division, Microsoft is certainly making sure their money is hard spent on making the PlayStation version worse. I guess their recent announcement about looking into performance gaps is paying off now.

 

[Concern]

So worse case very slight to best case non-existent difference in PS5 frame-rate between patches when comparing like for like scenes and y'all up in here arguing like Ubisoft halved the frame-rate.

It ran below 60fps before in certain circumstances and still does.

Sdf "Oh noooooo muhhhh conspiracies"

 

[The_Mike]

1080p next gen console LMAO

Seems next gen alright if you compare it to 720p at xbox one launch.

 

[sinnergy]

The scene identical in all three versions, you can see it's day. For whatever reason the PS5 seems to have less background detail. Fact its noticeable in different scenes make it interesting. Series S and PS5 are very similar.

Don’t touch the PS5, it’s perfect

 

[nikolino840]

So Microsoft paid ubi for have drop in res?
W whyman THEAP99

 

[nikolino840]

1080p next gen console LMAO

I thought res doesn't matter...