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I wouldn't think so, I'd say it's just a quick port of the PS5 version or the One X version with double the framerate. It's obviously unoptimized for Series consoles. It's also only certain scenes not the whole game which says to me it's lack of optimization for the platform. If the whole game was running 50fps then it would be different.
Is the new gen over? sheesh.Got to admit. This is all disappointing. Wish I didn’t invest so heavily in digital Xbox purchases. But they do have the best BC and I felt like an Xbox would always give me the best access to that content.
I’ll still likely pick up a Series X for that fact, but I really wanted Xbox to have the performance edge this new gen. Oh well. At least the performance divide between the consoles won’t be so big.
Wow, a lot of suppressed anger from the x1x>ps4p days releasing in here. Good for you team blue, I hope you find serenity now!
Well...
"In fact, at its worst, we noted PS5 delivering a 15 per cent performance advantage over its Microsoft equivalent in identical scenarios."
10.2 > 12?
Which of them is meant to keep up with Sony graphically?People joke, but yes, there was talk that the development environment of the SeX was being redone and would launch immature compared to the one on the PS5 and this have more influence than people are willing to acknowledge.
But still, I wasn't expecting it to unperformed so much.
Some may say that the PS5 drops the resolution more, but not only it's working as intended if the SeX droped the resolution as much as the PS5 the problem would remain, it's underperforming unexpectedly.
Anyway, we may be having fun laughing now but soon everyone will forget this because the real battle will be between the first parties begging at the end of next year. Now Sony will finally have true competition from Microsoft after all the acquisitions. Can Sony keep up?
If history is any context, the console to draw first blood in head to heads has maintained that over the generationIs the new gen over? sheesh.
Xbox drops more the resolution... not PS5... in fact Xbox needs to drop a bit more the res to hold 60fps like PS5.People joke, but yes, there was talk that the development environment of the SeX was being redone and would launch immature compared to the one on the PS5 and this have more influence than people are willing to acknowledge.
But still, I wasn't expecting it to unperformed so much.
Some may say that the PS5 drops the resolution more, but not only it's working as intended if the SeX droped the resolution as much as the PS5 the problem would remain, it's underperforming unexpectedly.
Anyway, we may be having fun laughing now but soon everyone will forget this because the real battle will be between the first parties begging at the end of next year. Now Sony will finally have true competition from Microsoft after all the acquisitions. Can Sony keep up?
Miles Morales loads in less than 2 seconds... so no.So the loading time difference is just 3 seconds. 23 vs 26 right?
PS5 was supposed to perform 100% better at 13 seconds to be exact.
Is it fair to say that PS5 tools is immature too?
sounds legitMark Cerny warned y'all
Just replace PS4 with Series X, which is what he was really hinting at
Compared to what? There’s no Miles Morales on Xbox.Miles Morales loads in less than 2 seconds... so no.
People DO understand that Microsoft has some of the smartest graphics programmers IN THE WORLD. They CREATED DirectX, the standard APIs that everyone programs against. So while people laude Sony for their HW skills, do you really think they dont know how to build a system optimized for maximizing graphics for programmers? Seriously? There is no way they are giving up a 30%+ advantage to Sony. And ANYONE who has seen both systems running could say there are great looking games on both systems. If there was really huge performance difference it would be obvious.
I get a ton of hate for saying this but its been the same EVERY generation. Sony claims more power, they did it with Cell, they did it with Emotion Engine, and they are doing it again. And, in the end, games on their system looked the same or better.
Im not saying they havent built a good system Im merely saying that anyone who wants to die on their sword over this 30%+ power advantage are going to be fighting an uphill battle over the next 10 years
It is not PS5 issue that Xbox has no game to show its “12 TFs power”.Compared to what? There’s no Miles Morales on Xbox.
For sure I know first party will take advantage of the hardware more but we can’t really compare stuff with first party.
Unfortunately Series X uses RDNA1 CUssounds legit
Also, PS5 is simply a fantastic, well thought out machine.Sony really did let the game do the talking instead of talking about power for 2 years
Interestingly xbsex hypothetical raw power advantage doesn’t show, also hypothetical ps5 ssd advantage is not noticeable, it is like early gen games are not fully utilising these systems /s
People DO understand that Microsoft has some of the smartest graphics programmers IN THE WORLD. They CREATED DirectX, the standard APIs that everyone programs against. So while people laude Sony for their HW skills, do you really think they dont know how to build a system optimized for maximizing graphics for programmers? Seriously? There is no way they are giving up a 30%+ advantage to Sony. And ANYONE who has seen both systems running could say there are great looking games on both systems. If there was really huge performance difference it would be obvious.
I get a ton of hate for saying this but its been the same EVERY generation. Sony claims more power, they did it with Cell, they did it with Emotion Engine, and they are doing it again. And, in the end, games on their system looked the same or better.
Im not saying they havent built a good system Im merely saying that anyone who wants to die on their sword over this 30%+ power advantage are going to be fighting an uphill battle over the next 10 years
Odium is back lol
And seems like he did not learn anything.
Yeah but they also told me that using the SSD and all it’s I/O is effortless and automatically done by the system itself and doesn’t need much developer intervention. In fact it‘s on the Road to PS5. Why can’t devs show that 100% difference now? Surely something is stopping them. I mean fine it doesn’t have to be a 100% difference but the performance delta on various native next gen games show very little difference.It is not PS5 issue that Xbox has no game to show its “12 TFs power”.
Miles Morales proves PS5’s SSD is really made to makes loads in 1 second target... not just MM... Demon’s Souls too.
Sony is basically delivering what they they told you.
i dont get itPeople DO understand that Microsoft has some of the smartest graphics programmers IN THE WORLD. They CREATED DirectX, the standard APIs that everyone programs against. So while people laude Sony for their HW skills, do you really think they dont know how to build a system optimized for maximizing graphics for programmers? Seriously? There is no way they are giving up a 30%+ advantage to Sony. And ANYONE who has seen both systems running could say there are great looking games on both systems. If there was really huge performance difference it would be obvious.
I get a ton of hate for saying this but its been the same EVERY generation. Sony claims more power, they did it with Cell, they did it with Emotion Engine, and they are doing it again. And, in the end, games on their system looked the same or better.
Im not saying they havent built a good system Im merely saying that anyone who wants to die on their sword over this 30%+ power advantage are going to be fighting an uphill battle over the next 10 years
That their marketing and product perceived value relies so much on graphical power is the real issue.Yea there's no use damage controlling this. Sony fanboys will have their fun with it but Xbox Fans need to hold Phil and Jason Ronald (Roland?)'s feet to the fire on this one. People who bought XSX expected power. Right now we aren't even getting parity. Not Cool.
But they somehow fully utilize ps5 power?Because that can be said for both console.And even not fully utilising Ps5's ssd it shows (although marginally) better perfs, the same can't be said for the XsX.Interestingly xbsex hypothetical raw power advantage doesn’t show, also hypothetical ps5 ssd advantage is not noticeable, it is like early gen games are not fully utilising these systems /s
It's a meme. If you were here in 2013, you'd know.i dont get it
It's easier when you know thisThe PS5 advantage in CPU scenarios is difficult to fathom.
The slight advantage PS5 holds - below expectations - on loading speed on 3rd party games and multi-platform titles was completely expected, because loading speed is not just a function of HW speed but also loading algorithms. Most 3rd party engines will simply not be coded for fast loading, 1st parties is different and there We are seeing the expected results.
Albert Penello said this back in 2013 before the consoles launched. Thought it was funny to repost it.i dont get it
The PS5 advantage in CPU scenarios is difficult to fathom.
The slight advantage PS5 holds - below many people's expectations - on loading speed on 3rd party games and multi-platform titles was to be completely expected, because loading speed is not just a function of HW speed but also loading algorithms. Most 3rd party engines will simply not be coded for fast loading, 1st parties is different and there We are seeing the expected results.
Bro, I hear what you're sayin. I'm of the belief that things will iron out in the future. But for right now what matters are RESULTS. The results we are seeing here betrays the promises we were given. PS3 Cell WAS more powerful, but it was ALSO too hard to develop for, which is why 360 beat out PS3 in most games. We are seeing a similar thing here except the problem is not so much with the hardware as much as it is the complete lack of logistical aptitude coming out of the Xbox team. They took too long to get their Dev Kits to developers and so it's the consumer who gets fucked in the end. Ubisoft and Microsoft have my $60 already. They have my $500 for the console. there needs to be pressure to have them quickly hold up their end of the bargain.People DO understand that Microsoft has some of the smartest graphics programmers IN THE WORLD. They CREATED DirectX, the standard APIs that everyone programs against. So while people laude Sony for their HW skills, do you really think they dont know how to build a system optimized for maximizing graphics for programmers? Seriously? There is no way they are giving up a 30%+ advantage to Sony. And ANYONE who has seen both systems running could say there are great looking games on both systems. If there was really huge performance difference it would be obvious.
I get a ton of hate for saying this but its been the same EVERY generation. Sony claims more power, they did it with Cell, they did it with Emotion Engine, and they are doing it again. And, in the end, games on their system looked the same or better.
Im not saying they havent built a good system Im merely saying that anyone who wants to die on their sword over this 30%+ power advantage are going to be fighting an uphill battle over the next 10 years
A correction by Alex. Ps5 is better by 30% not 15%
Bro, I hear what you're sayin. I'm of the belief that things will iron out in the future. But for right now what matters are RESULTS. The results we are seeing here betrays the promises we were given. PS3 Cell WAS more powerful, but it was ALSO too hard to develop for, which is why 360 beat out PS3 in most games. We are seeing a similar thing here except the problem is not so much with the hardware as much as it is the complete lack of logistical aptitude coming out of the Xbox team. They took too long to get their Dev Kits to developers and so it's the consumer who gets fucked in the end. Ubisoft and Microsoft have my $60 already. They have my $500 for the console. there needs to be pressure to have them quickly hold up their end of the bargain.
ok that was funnyAlbert Penello said this back in 2013 before the consoles launched. Thought it was funny to repost it.
Adam Sessler & Albert Penello on the Xbox One (Interview)
He meant graphics. Did you see Infamous:Second Son? I have seen Infamous... it looks next gen, but so does Ryse visually, and to some people even more so than Infamous which looks good, but at no point does anyone feel like Infamous makes Ryse look a league apart, both are serious eye candy...www.neogaf.com
Historically? which consoles are you talking about? I'm not sure history will play itself out here. We will have to see if things change with future patches.If history is any context, the console to draw first blood in head to heads has maintained that over the generation
that's not the problem, Rdna 1 vs rdna 2 is not same case like gcn vs rdna 1.0Unfortunately Series X uses RDNA1 CUs
You know what? Feels like they don’t know how to build a consolePeople DO understand that Microsoft has some of the smartest graphics programmers IN THE WORLD. They CREATED DirectX, the standard APIs that everyone programs against. So while people laude Sony for their HW skills, do you really think they dont know how to build a system optimized for maximizing graphics for programmers? Seriously? There is no way they are giving up a 30%+ advantage to Sony. And ANYONE who has seen both systems running could say there are great looking games on both systems. If there was really huge performance difference it would be obvious.
I get a ton of hate for saying this but its been the same EVERY generation. Sony claims more power, they did it with Cell, they did it with Emotion Engine, and they are doing it again. And, in the end, games on their system looked the same or better.
Im not saying they havent built a good system Im merely saying that anyone who wants to die on their sword over this 30%+ power advantage are going to be fighting an uphill battle over the next 10 years
Oh shit !!! Colt neutral?That's no longer bias, that's insanity, what's next?Mrxmedia is pro-sony?Anthem is a good game?Odium is back lol
And seems like he did not learn anything.
Xbox 360 won the first head to heads and maintained that over the course of the genHistorically? which consoles are you talking about? I'm not sure history will play itself out here. We will have to see if things change with future patches.
It (XSS) has better performance and less screen tearing.How XSS compare to XBox One X ?
How do you explain to yourself how well the series S performs (comparatively speaking).I wouldn't think so, I'd say it's just a quick port of the PS5 version or the One X version with double the framerate. It's obviously unoptimized for Series consoles. It's also only certain scenes not the whole game which says to me it's lack of optimization for the platform. If the whole game was running 50fps then it would be different.
Ok, I am still waiting for this to be put to test in real life conditions. Oh, Tom... I thought you were smarter than this, and I bet you thought the same.
...and we all know why, the GPU with the most performance customizations won each of those times. I think this gen is pretty different then the others. Never in any previous gen have we had to wait so late to see games running on actual hardware. I don't think things will play out identical to previous timesXbox 360 won the first head to heads and maintained that over the course of the gen
PS4 won the first head to heads and maintained that
One X won the first head to heads and maintained that