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[rnlval]

What's an NDA?

Prove NDA has a relationship with when you have

 

[Lysandros]

What is XSX being bound by here?

He speaks about 120fps here but it applies to 60fps too.

At this point, i am seriously beginning to believe that PS5 CPU has unified L3 cache cluster like in Zen 3, too much hint about it from Matt Hargett. This would have a much higher impact on game performance than a mere 100Mhz higher clock.

 

[blastprocessor]

Those faster clocks are certainly allowing the PS5 to punch above it's weight and better utilise those CUs it seems.

 

[ethomaz]

Ps5 uses boost clocks, variable. You can't just compare this way

Looking at the actual games running in both seems like the PS5 clock is pretty solid.

 

[Md Ray]

Bound by their less than matured devkits.

Jesus of man, do you guys just conveniently ignored by what we has shown, about ps5 super fast and easy to tap development first mover advantages?

Could very well be bound by pixel fillrate, rasterization rate too.

Jesus of man, do you guys just conveniently ignore other parts of the PS5's GPU advantage and continue to tout TF as the absolute indicator and the only metric to compare GPU's perf when it's dangerous to rely on TF alone.

 

[FunkMiller]

Huh? Was a sincere question. Get mad about what? What will get better? I've been happily married for 15 years to a hot wife who likes to fuck. How's anything getting better for me?

Hmmmm.

Does she have a sister?

 

[rnlval]

You didn't answer the question. If those numbers are pointless then why is this happening on XSX?

For XSX, a red indicator for off-screen registered player hit.

 

[Allnamestakenlol]

PS5 putting in some work. Nice.

 

[rnlval]

At this point, i am seriously beginning to believe that PS5 CPU has unified L3 cache cluster like in Zen 3, too much hint about it from Matt Hargett. This would have much higher impact on game performance than a mere 100Mhz higher clock.

At 4K, Ryzen 7 3700X at 3.5Ghz and RTX 3090 would have higher frame rates.

 

[ethomaz]

Bound by their less than matured devkits.

Jesus of man, do you guys just conveniently ignored by what we has shown, about ps5 super fast and easy to tap development first mover advantages?

I don't know why you guys denied PS5 being faster to developer with better DevKit to begin with? Now you are trying to use it as argument?

Well let's how it will turn out.

 

[Andodalf]

You didn't answer the question. If those numbers are pointless then why is this happening on XSX?

PS5 experiences a drop a few frames later while XSX recovers. It isn't like for like.

 

[GymWolf]

Huh? Was a sincere question. Get mad about what? What will get better? I've been happily married for 15 years to a hot wife who likes to fuck. How's anything getting better for me?

By having 2 hot wifes who likes to fuck??!

 

[oldergamer]

Random wanker who rose to fame as a "tech channel" captures comparisons in subpar conditions after owning Series X for merely one day. Naturally a fanboy battle ensues with more responses than the actual OT's for the specific consoles themselves.

What am I missing?

you must be a hammer, cause you hit the nail on the head.

 

[geordiemp]

XSX GPU has 5MB L2 cache (320-bit bus) which is higher than 4MB L2 cache(256-bit bus).

You dont know ps5 L2 cache, so incorrect.

You dont know ps5 L1 cache structure either. You dont know how ps5 cache coherency and scrubbers work, the specfific architecture and effects on effective bandwidth, so again you dont know.

All we know is a 36 CU part, which is clocked higher,l runs this game better than a 20 % bigger die XSX with 52 CU.

And its too late to make hardware claims and how it might affect performance, we can all see the results.

 

[oldergamer]

PS5 experiences a drop a few frames later while XSX recovers. It isn't like for like.

you do realize those two scenes were not identical, right?

 

[geordiemp]

You didn't answer the question. If those numbers are pointless then why is this happening on XSX?

He never does answer the question because he does not understand what he is posting, he just keeps regurgitating RDNA2 specs and stuff he finds on internet but usually not relevant to what is being discussed.

 

[Andodalf]

you do realize those two scenes were not identical, right?

Exactly, both have drops in gameplay that are random and often not sustained, so comparing any one set of frames as a definitive delta is silly

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

Exactly, both have drops in gameplay that are random and often not sustained, so comparing any one set of frames as a definitive delta is silly

People using launch games for confirmation bias is silly.

Not directed at you...I quoted you cause you said the word silly.

 

[Foamy]

So as expected both consoles are fantastic.
Any multi plat games coming where one version is significantly worse than the other is likely on the developer.

 

[Krappadizzle]

By having 2 hot wifes who like to fuck??!

You alright? It's been nothing but pocket pussies and wife banging with you today. Been a minute or what?

 

[Md Ray]

Exactly, both have drops in gameplay that are random and often not sustained, so comparing any one set of frames as a definitive delta is silly

What do you have to say about this continuous stretch of sustained frame-rate dip in this NPC heavy section? How is this silly? Be honest.

It starts from 5:19.




EDIT: Also, 100% like-for-like.

 

[GymWolf]

You alright? It's been nothing but pocket pussies and wife banging with you today. Been a minute or what?

I always make sex\vulgar jokes

Today i just had more opportunities than usual

 

[Knitted Knight]

You didn't answer the question. If those numbers are pointless then why is this happening on XSX?

PS5 RDNA 3 features doing work?

 

[Radical_3d]

Please provide proof for PS5 GPU's 2230Mhz is running 100% of the time as it's base clock speed.

You are welcome.

 

[MasterCornholio]

PS5 RDNA 3 features doing work?

Maybe not. It could be that at this point the GPU needs more power and takes it from the CPU on the PS5.

 

[TJC]

Maybe not. It could be that at this point the GPU needs more power and takes it from the CPU on the PS5.

Smart shift putting in work.

 

[nowhat]

You alright? It's been nothing but pocket pussies and wife banging with you today. Been a minute or what?

No-nut-November is starting to take its toll.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

Man I hate the start of a new generation. Always so many melodramatic console warriors.

They're both good! And nearly identical! There's no reason we shouldn't all be happy at this!

God dman it, everyone wins and yet there still has to be drama.

Considering PS5 is $€100 cheaper I'm saying Sony won a bit more.

 

[yurinka]

That claim is misleading:

	PS5	XSX	Difference	Notes:
CPU Clock (single threaded) GHz	3.5	3.8	-8.57%
CPU Clock (dual threaded) GHz	3.5	3.6	-2.85%
GPU Clock (MHz)	2233	1825	22.35%
Shading Units	2304	3328	-44.44%
Texture Mapping Units	144	208	-44.44%
Triangles (billion/sec)	8.92	7.3	22.19%	4 Primitive Units x clock speed
Triangles Culled (billion/sec)	17.84	14.6	22.19%	(Each Primitive unit can cull two primitives) x clock speed
Pixel Rate (GPixel/s) via the ROPS	142.9	116.8	22.34%	Clock speed x 64 ROPS (Render output unit)
Texture Rate (GTexel/s)	321.6	379.6	-18.03%	Clock speed x TMU's (Texture mapping unit)
FP32 (float) performance	10.29	12.15	-18.07%
GPU Cache Speed (MHz)	2233	1825	22.35%	Tied to clock rate.
SSD Rate (GB/sec)	5.5	2.4	229%

It's like cherry picking the specs you want, in order to claim the most powerful console.

Why PS5 has the same GHz with SMT enabled and disabled?

As far as I know they mentioned only its speed with SMT enabled (what you call 'dual threaded' but these consoles have more threads) and not with SMT disabled, that should be faster than the enabled one.

In fact, doesn't always the modern consoles run with SMT enabled? Where do they use SMT disabled?

In addition to this, you cherry picked the stuff to be listed. There are more data where PS5 has a lead like:
-SSD priorities
-SSD speed when compressed (both the default average ~8-9GB/s and the up to ~17-22GB/s for some files when they include Oodle texture in the mix)
-Speed and latency lead in wifi (wifi 6 in PS5 vs wifi 5 in XSX)
-Speed and latency lead in USB (USB 3.2 gen 2 in PS5 vs USB 3.1 gen 1 in XSX)
-Speed and latency lead in wireless pad connection (Bluetooth 5.1 in PS5 vs Xbox Wireless/Bluetooth 4.0 LE in XSX), etc. Note: Series X pad has the same wireless connection than XB1X, which was already slower than the DS4

Regarding FP32 performance, what is the source of this if CPU has a ~3% difference in a console and the GPU has a ~22% in the other one?

 

[M_A_C]

What do you have to say about this continuous stretch of sustained frame-rate dip in this NPC heavy section? How is this silly? Be honest.

It starts from 5:19.




EDIT: Also, 100% like-for-like.

All the tearing in that scene on Xbox is awful.

 

[Md Ray]

All the tearing in that scene on Xbox is awful.

Yep, it has 5x more tearing than PS5.

 

[pixelation]

PS5 comes out on top?, again?... *strokes chin*

Also... YIKES @ the screen tearing on the world's most powerful console.

 

[Md Ray]

Why PS5 has the same GHz with SMT enabled and disabled?

As far as I know they mentioned only its speed with SMT enabled (what you call 'dual threaded' but these consoles have more threads) and not with SMT disabled, that should be faster than the enabled one.

In fact, doesn't always the modern consoles run with SMT enabled? Where do they use SMT disabled?

In addition to this, you cherry picked the stuff to be listed. There are more data where PS5 has a lead like the SSD priorities, SSD speed when compressed (both the default average ~8-9GB/s and the up to ~17-22GB/s for some files when they include Oodle texture in the mix), plus both speed and latency improvements in wifi related stats (wifi 6 in PS5 vs wifi 5 in XSX), both speed and latency improvements in USB related stats (USB 3.2 gen 2 in PS5 vs USB 3.1 gen 1 in XSX), both speed and latency improvements in Bluetooth related stats (5.1 in PS5 vs Xbox Wireless/4.0 LE in XSX), etc.

Regarding FP32 performance, what is the source of this if CPU has a ~3% difference in a console and the GPU has a ~22% in the other one?

It's Xbox that does this. SMT disabled clock speed is 3.8 GHz and 3.6 GHz with it enabled for Series X and 3.6 GHz and 3.4 GHz, respectively on Series S.

 

[FranXico]

Also... YIKES @ the screen tearing on the world's most powerful console.

Meh. Just buy an expensive VRR capable TV. Problem solved. Who cares about other TVs?

 

[Hinedorf]

Splitting hairs between 2 similar consoles in a deadlock for second place. Would prefer it just be said like last generation that Microsoft has the superior hardware so the fanboy contingent can hold to that while the Sony folks play the fun games.

All I see is less of a reason to waste money on a Microsoft console especially with PC Gamepass being totally worth the cost.

The only console launch title to drive any interest for me is once again an exclusive on a Sony console, not much has changed, not much will.

 

[pixelation]

Meh. Just buy an expensive VRR capable TV. Problem solved. Who cares about other TVs?

Bahahaha!, AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH!!!... you're joking right?

 

[Self]

I just finished watching the video, but can't comprehend how a 1K thread can evolve out of this minor differences. What a waste.

 

[yurinka]

It's Xbox that does this. SMT disabled clock speed is 3.8 GHz and 3.6 GHz with it enabled for Series X and 3.6 GHz and 3.4 GHz, respectively on Series S.

It isn't a Series X|S feature, simultaneous multithreading is something common from many common CPUs including all the AMD Zen family, which includes PS5.

When activated the performace is higher even if the clock is smaller. MS just shows the disabled number to show a higher number in the hardware specs sheet, I highly doubt it's used disabled in the console.

 

[Knitted Knight]

Jesus Christ what are we in for this gen? It only took 1 day......

 

[HawksWinStanley]

I just finished watching the video, but can't comprehend how a 1K thread can evolve out of this minor differences. What a waste.

 

[EnzoArt]

I just finished watching the video, but can't comprehend how a 1K thread can evolve out of this minor differences. What a waste.

For this(most-powerfull console ever) :

Xbox Series X: A Closer Look at the Technology Powering the Next Generation - Xbox Wire

A few months ago, we revealed Xbox Series X, our fastest, most powerful console ever, designed for a console generation that has you, the player, at its center. When it is released this holiday season, Xbox Series X will set a new bar for performance, speed and compatibility, all while allowing...

news.xbox.com

By video, PS5:

Best framerate
Best resolution
Best Loading
Much less tearing

 

[Md Ray]

It isn't a Series X|S feature, simultaneous multithreading is something common from many common CPUs including all the AMD Zen family, which includes PS5.

When activated the performace is higher even if the clock is smaller. MS just shows the disabled number to show a higher number in the hardware specs sheet, I highly doubt it's used disabled in the console.

Yeah, I know this.

I was just answering to your:
"Where do they use SMT disabled" bit.

Majority of the games in the here and now and going forward will be using SMT on both consoles, so listing SMT disabled clk speed is pointless as you said, they do this to show higher number in the specs sheet.

EDIT: they probably disable SMT for BC games.

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

For this(most-powerfull console ever) :

Xbox Series X: A Closer Look at the Technology Powering the Next Generation - Xbox Wire

A few months ago, we revealed Xbox Series X, our fastest, most powerful console ever, designed for a console generation that has you, the player, at its center. When it is released this holiday season, Xbox Series X will set a new bar for performance, speed and compatibility, all while allowing...

news.xbox.com

By video, PS5:

Best framerate
Best resolution
Best Loading
Much less tearing

Actually by this video he says xsx is better fps by .1 fps average.
Resolution isn't actually known.

 

[Knitted Knight]

For this(most-powerfull console ever) :

Xbox Series X: A Closer Look at the Technology Powering the Next Generation - Xbox Wire

A few months ago, we revealed Xbox Series X, our fastest, most powerful console ever, designed for a console generation that has you, the player, at its center. When it is released this holiday season, Xbox Series X will set a new bar for performance, speed and compatibility, all while allowing...

news.xbox.com

I think the marketing directly from Microsoft is that it's Microsoft's most powerful console ever. People have freely associated that to mean "world's most powerful" barring the absence of similar marketing by Sony. MS's marketing dept has been very careful with their word usage.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Smart shift putting in work.

At least that's how I think it would work in these types of situations. It makes sense to me but no idea if SmartShift is being used in that moment.

 

[OsirisBlack]

Jesus Christ what are we in for this gen? It only took 1 day......

Funny

 

[TJC]

I think the marketing directly from Microsoft is that it's Microsoft's most powerful console ever. People have freely associated that to mean "world's most powerful" barring the absence of similar marketing by Sony. MS's marketing dept has been very careful with their word usage.

MS marketing are not the problem, they are very smart and know the audience crave spec nonsense. I personally can't stand the marketing but I'm not their audience so it dosent really matter. I hope Xbox users who shout specs can just chill now and play the bloody games!

 

[pixelation]

I just finished watching the video, but can't comprehend how a 1K thread can evolve out of this minor differences. What a waste.

Screen tearing is minor now?, really?

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Looking at the actual games running in both seems like the PS5 clock is pretty solid.

We should play the fanboy game and claim a game doesn't boost the ps5's clock if it doesn't perform well, probably throw the devs under the bus for it as well (they must have used the PS4 compatibility mode by error).

 

[CAB_Life]

Without knowing the pixel count and post-processing effects I don’t know how useful this is. NX even admits (via Twitter) there’s a capture issue on the Xbox side of things. It’s clear that the rumours of the Xbox tools being slightly behind are likely true at this point too—probably due to programming for two separate SKUs.