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More info on PS5 backwards compatibility leaked via PS Store web source code
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hemo memo
Gold Member
Microsoft supports games going back to the original Xbox so it’s a losing battle before it even starts. You want to know how they did it? They assigned a backward compatibility team + they actually cared.
makaveli60
Member
Lol. Sony's silence is good, right? They are so incompetent that they can't even provide proper PS4 emulation at launch, despite designing the hardware to be able to do so easily. Wtf is going on there? Day by day I lose any excitement I had for this console. Now I'm at the point where I wouldn't even care at all if I can get one this year, as I would only want it to play my PS4 games in better quality as there isn't and won't be any nextgen games for long (besides DS, which I won't pay 80 Euros for, that also looks like an upressed, higher framerate PS4 game). Unfortunately I can't go with the XSX since PS4 was my main with a huge catalog. Both companies shit the bed with nextgen but at least MS provides stellar back compatibility and they are communicating with us. I really, really hate this new Sony. I want 2013 Sony back.
hemo memo
Gold Member
Shhhhh it’s all part of Sony plan. It’s all by design. Everything. The lack of information is to increase hype and the pre-orders going out suddenly even tho the head pf marketing said (laughing) that this won’t happen. The reason is to get ahead of bots and scalpers. See, Sony is genius.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
It seems the brain virus has infected Gaf
I just wanna know if there is a difference between a game with a PS5 update/Version and PS5 Boost Mode
And what does PS5 Boost bring over a PS4 Pro Patch title ( other then slight better Frame rate)
I just wanna know if there is a difference between a game with a PS5 update/Version and PS5 Boost Mode
And what does PS5 Boost bring over a PS4 Pro Patch title ( other then slight better Frame rate)
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Grinchy
Banned
So if it was "only one or two games," they'd not have a message at all? It would just go to a black screen or something?
Hopefully that helps you understand why even a single game not functioning would need the ability to tell the user it doesn't work. This would be like finding a line in the code that says, "You are disconnected from the network" and coming to the conclusion that you can never connect to the network. In other words, retarded.
prinz_valium
Member
Like knowing nothing because Sony doesn't say anything?
Well I don't play on Playstation platforms to I'm good. I just feel bad for the people who do and always fall for their shit they pull off.
That's not even the start of what I said.
It'd be like finding a line of code that says "Full network capabilities may not be available, but we will continue to issue system updates for online functionality" then you saying "That sounds like there will definitely be full network functionality at launch".
Redlancet
Banned
Lort
Banned
You just responded to his post ... lmaoDont worry about us mate
Redlancet
Banned
of course,its fun to have a laugh at console wart nonsense,thats why i responding to you too my friend
Stiflers Mom
Banned
I also heard, he "believes in generations"... : D
(I really want Yosp, Shawn Layden, House and Boyes back.)
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geordiemp
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Its funny reading the Xbox fans concern comments in this thread.
Are people that stupid ? Maybe
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Absence of the burden of proof you require meaning proof of the opposite... checks out perhaps
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HoodWinked
Member
I think they botched the back compat the way the ps4 pro handed boost was very rigid where they doubled the gpu resources and made the cpu run in compatability mode by downclocking if a game did not natively support boost mode. So basically none of the work has been done on the back compat end to profile games to scale with the hardware. Instead the system would mimic the base hardware and hope it didn't explode. Now the ps5 is very different in capability so the old back compat stuff is worthless if you don't want just the base experience.
Cerny's words:
“We doubled the GPU size by essentially placing it next to a mirrored version of itself, sort of like the wings of a butterfly,” said Cerny. “That gives us an extremely clean way to support the existing 700 titles.” In essence, the PS4 Pro switches into a non-Pro compatibility mode when it’s running a game that hasn’t been patched to support the console. It only uses half of its GPU at a clock speed similar to that of the launch PS4’s GPU.
Cerny's words:
“We doubled the GPU size by essentially placing it next to a mirrored version of itself, sort of like the wings of a butterfly,” said Cerny. “That gives us an extremely clean way to support the existing 700 titles.” In essence, the PS4 Pro switches into a non-Pro compatibility mode when it’s running a game that hasn’t been patched to support the console. It only uses half of its GPU at a clock speed similar to that of the launch PS4’s GPU.
The burden of proof isn't on me, its on Sony, and in Sony's PlayStation store copy they say:Absence of the burden of proof you require meaning proof of the opposite... checks out perhaps
- Backwards compatibility will (at least in part) be download based.
- Adding games will be continuous.
- The 99 per cent of games at launch thing isn't to cover their back, else they wouldn't need to issue updates.
This is basic reading comprehension.
It's looking like you'll be able to! It might be limited by the usual main account thing though, in case you want to keep your PS5 and PS4 running in different rooms.
danielJackson
Banned
Even if 1 game would not work, they need these lines in the code. So it means nothing until there are other kind of evidence.
Tschumi
Member
We know how much, 99%, they said as much months ago, didn't they?
WelshBluebird
Member
Except:
- Even if you take 99% of PS4 games to mean exactly 99% and not just "most of", that still leaves quite a number still not functional. This isn't the case of just one or two. Its more in the tens. Of course it could just mean "most of" in which case that number could be a bit higher still.
- We know that the boost mode will not support as many titles so it stands to reason they could be adding compatibility to that list over time.
"This PS4 game isn't supported with your PS5's current system software. We're continuing to make more PS4 games playable on PS5. Update your PS5, and then try playing the game "
That obviously isn't talking about boost mode.
Beyond that, I've said multiple times the ratio could vary. Sony will add some games in via download, that much is clear. Will it be 4,000 games day one? Will it be 2,000 games the first week, 2,000 games the second week? Will it be 100 day one, 3,900 the second week? Will it be the majority day one, with specific updates as time goes by?
We don't know, because Sony haven't told us.
I don't believe you word your error message like that if the vast majority of titles just work plug and play. "We're continuing to make more PS4 games playable on PS5" is what you write if there is an ongoing effort to ensure compatibility. I don't think it'd be necessary for hundreds of the lowest tier games - you'd just say "This game isn't supported on PS5." If you just don't want to crush hopes, you can throw a currently in there.
You certainly wouldn't suggest a system update unless titles are coming in thick and fast.
I'd love to be wrong, but nobody who is calling this just an error message has offered a decent argument for the wording yet. You need to literally ignore what it says to write it off.
Azurro
Banned
Error handling in programming is standard, if a single game out of the thousands has some type of error being played or if an unexpected situation happens, this type of error handling is necessary.
This this doesn't mean anything. It could be that a 100 PS4 games are available or that 99.999% of the games are available.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
They stated (Cerny or otherwise) that 99%of all ps4 games would be working, Cerny also stated that they were testing individual games to ensure compatibility... This is a new machine with a new operating system, a portion of games are bound to have one issue or another (1 or 1000 we don't know). The message leads us to assume at least some games will need some kind of patch to gain compatibility.
Sony has been less than completely clear on ther communications strategy on the ps5 in general.... So it's on them, even if people are dramatizing something that probably doesn't need to be.
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yurinka
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Sony said they tested thousands of games and 99% work well. So obviously they'll need an error message for this ~1% of games (at least until they are fixed if the original devs fix them to work properly on PS5 BC).
In backwards compatibility there are always exceptions, some games that don't work/aren't supported. Same will happen in Series X, as happened in XBO, PS3, PS2, Vita and all other consoles with BC.
They said that they tested (until they said so) thousands of games, and 99% of them worked properly on PS5 BC. Read the sentence carefully, this doesn't mean all the PS4 are already tested ("thousands" can be 2500 games and there are 4000+ PS4+PSVR games), or that 99% of them will run perfectly.
In backwards compatibility there are always exceptions, some games that don't work/aren't supported. Same will happen in Series X, as happened in XBO, PS3, PS2, Vita and all other consoles with BC.
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Ass of Can Whooping
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PS4 cloud saves also sync
Correct. This is basically a label for those few games that might not work properly. Same as it's always been since PS2.
The 99% claim covers that.
recursive
Member
It is a matter of convenience. Automatic process vs manual. Why argue against improvement? People could also pull out there ps4 to play their ps4 games instead of wanting BC on PS5 but here we are, talking improvement.
I play on 2 different ps4s in my house. I also play on 2 different xboxs. I don't need to worry about my cloud saves syncing automatically on my Xbox, I just load my game and play. My ps4 I do. Open the cloud save up, figure out which saves to download. Play the game. Remember to upload the saves after I am done. Would prefer it to be automatic.
'This basically confirms that's not true. They wouldn't write this error message for one or two games.'
Yes you fucking would otherwise people would buy the game and kick up a stink. You clearly have no idea how things are made if you think they wouldn't cater for errors in this way. Any programmer worth their salt would even put this message in even if at the time they wrote it zero games didn't work. It future proofs the system and caters for all scenarios.
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Portugeezer
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He said they've tested thousands of games and 99% "can be played" (according for WSJ, would have preferred a direct quote from Jim).
But yeah I have my doubts, although they would need an error message for the 1% which won't be working on day one.
You clearly don't understand how to read. Try little words first and grow from there.
I'm obviously not saying there wouldn't be an error message. Obviously. I'm saying it wouldn't be THAT error message.
Edit: I'm gonna say it one last time for the people who are reading the error message and not understanding it.
Copywriters don't put out content they don't mean. That's half of the skill. If they're saying there will be downloads and continuous support, it probably doesn't mean everything will be available on day one. It probably isn't talking about those five indie games nobody ever plays.
I'd love to be wrong. BC is important to me and I plan to trade out my PS4 wholesale. But if you ignore what's said in this message, there's every chance you're gonna be disappointed.
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nowhat
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Do you software develop bruh? You absolutely need an error message for any single error that could occur, even if the possibility is minimal, if you're even remotely competent at your job.
Lambdadelta
Neo Member
Neither consoles Will have every games available at launch.
cireza
Member
Buy many persons here on neogaf have been stating that 99% of the games were going to be BC at launch. Did they lie ?
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FranXico
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Yes they would. I write software for a living and trust me, people spend a lot of time writing and translating error messages for all kinds of imaginable errors, including rare errors or even errors that should never happen.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Some of you are missing really that the key here is the message is saying "we are adding games over time."
Which means that the 99% comment likely doesn't mean launch..
Sony has made very few statements about "BC at launch." It's really the clarification that's needed.. what's the plan? What do they expect?
MS has claimed all games that don't use Kinect.. and it's possible they'll fail to meet that.. and it's possible Sony wrote this error, but will get 99% of games working by launch... but Sony is being less bold because they are refusing to state anything about launch (other than the original top 100 games statement.)
(and to be clear, I have no plans to use Xbox BC, and have already been able to confirm most of the games I care about are gonna be PS5 BC, so this doesn't really matter to me anymore, but I would like to know what games are "boosted" if that's Sony's approach)
Which means that the 99% comment likely doesn't mean launch..
Sony has made very few statements about "BC at launch." It's really the clarification that's needed.. what's the plan? What do they expect?
MS has claimed all games that don't use Kinect.. and it's possible they'll fail to meet that.. and it's possible Sony wrote this error, but will get 99% of games working by launch... but Sony is being less bold because they are refusing to state anything about launch (other than the original top 100 games statement.)
(and to be clear, I have no plans to use Xbox BC, and have already been able to confirm most of the games I care about are gonna be PS5 BC, so this doesn't really matter to me anymore, but I would like to know what games are "boosted" if that's Sony's approach)
TLZ
Banned
Nobody lied. Both Sony and MS said they have tested thousands and they're all working.
Lambdadelta
Neo Member
Dude, you trolling? 99% still means a few games will be missing.
cireza
Member
When I read OP it seemed to me that not all games would be BC at launch, as it talks about updates to add the missing games.
What you've quoted me on doesn't mean what you think it means. In context that's pretty clear.
They wouldn't write THIS error message. They would write "This game is not currently compatible with the PlayStation 5."
Because they've said "We will be adding new titles via download, please check to see if there's a new update" we can start to assume they will be adding new titles via download and that they will be available via system update. That's not controversial is it?
Now, I feel we can also safely assume we're not talking about the bottom 5 per cent of games, because why would Sony put loads of effort into ensuring compatibility with games that are probably in the margin of error for playtime on PS4?
So how many will be available? When will they be available? How big a task is this going to be? What is stopping everything from being compatible from day one?
I've cleaned up my original post a bit. Ultimately it was distracting from the topic at hand, so I've fixed it.
Thank you!!! Thought I was going insane for a second there.
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nowhat
Member
There's an anecdote about this - a guy was workings on a point-of-sale system, and came up with such an obscure set of events that could cause an error, but the events leading up to that point would be so improbable that he didn't bother to come up with a sensible error message.
He later received a call from a very confused customer, telling him that the machine only says "IT HAPPENED".
ManaByte
Member
The Xbox will play all Xbox One games except those that required Kinect.
Of course that means someone will suddenly become a huge Kinect fanboy just to concern troll about the lack of Kinect games on the Series X.
FranXico
Member
I remember some years ago, a colleague put an inside joke as an error message. One day, a tester was surprised by a dialog with the text "is that you, Jim?"