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[Allandor]

1 TB = 931 GiB, leaving about 70 GB (931- 862) reserved for OS.. or 7% of the original amount of storage.

If we apply the same logic to the 825 GB we end up at;

825 GB = 768 GiB. Subtracting the same 7%, we end up at 714 GB available space. But of course, this is guesswork.

What do people have with percentages when guessing how big the OS is? That's not how it works. If you have a 1TB drive and the OS needs 7% than the OS does not need 7% on a 2TB drive.

175 GB is plausible
1. Sony needs to reserve space for future updates
2. For Updates about 4 times the space of the real OS size is needed: 1x OS, 1x OS Download, 1x OS Backup, 1x decompressed OS files, ...
3. Maybe sony reserved space for overprovisioning which is always a good idea with an ssd

650GB that's definitely an upgrade over the launch model PS4 in 2013 which had less than 420gb of usable space in the HDD

Well when you think back, even than the 500GB HDDs were really tiny. ~595-605 GiB that is now remaining is not much.

 

[gamechanger87]

They have.
Not 5.5gb though. They recommend 7gb to overcome the overhead from whatever controller is in the drive.


They state they need to be a certain size (to fit in the bay much like PS3/PS4) and need a minimum read speed to be compatible.

I haven't seen any 7gb/s drives yet.

They will be obscenely expensive.

 

[KRYPT83]

Is the XSX going to have a proprietary enclosure or proprietary drive?

Yeah but Microsoft's approach is more off the shelf compared to the custom speed required for Sony ssd, which will be ridiculously priced the first couple of years I imagine?

 

[NullZ3r0]

175GB is for the OS and uninstallable Astro's Playroom.

This likely includes memory caching as well.

 

[tillbot8]

That’s not a thing though?

I wonder when will it be, and at what price point? Also the way the 12 channel I/O works surely it would be optimal for Sony to put a 1.6TB 5.5gbs/s SSD in there?

 

[cireza]

Yup. Going to go with the 2TB Playstation 5 Disc version.

I might not have understood everything about the PS5 architecture, but still, it seems to me that because of the raw transfer speed they target, you will never get more than those 800 GB effective for games.

Which means that if a 2 TB PS5 exists, my guess is that it would need to transfer the games to the 800 effective GB.

Might be wrong though.

 

[NullZ3r0]

There won't be any compatible PS5 SSD's at launch, but that also works out since there aren't that many good PS5 games at launch. Same is true for Xbox Series X.

 

[zcaa0g]

So PS5 for exclusives, XBSX for backwards compatibility (probably only need to go to it if XBX dies) and PC for everything else. Kind of sounds like the current generation for me.

 

[NullZ3r0]

Yeah but Microsoft's approach is more off the shelf compared to the custom speed required for Sony ssd, which will be ridiculously priced the first couple of years I imagine?

This is true and Sony's solution will end up being proprietary in some fashion anyways. Mark Cerny said that PS5 will have an expansion enclosure that an NVME drive needs to fit into. So here are the options:

1. Allow owners to open up the PS5 and slide the NVME drive into the motherboard. Warranty nightmare, won't happen.

2. Have a "PS5 compatible" list of NVME drives that users will need to consult before purchasing an upgrade. Then have them slide that "naked" NVME drive in a slot on the back of the PS5. This is a customer service nightmare and the average PS5 user will find a way to mess this up. Highly unlikely.

3. Sony sells a custom NVME enclosure for $20 (or ships it with PS5) that slots into the back of the PS5. Users simply open it up, put their PS5 compatible NVME in the enclosure and snap it back together. Sony will work with third parties to license "PS5 compatible" hard drives. These will be more expensive due to the aforementioned licensing and is basically Microsoft's approach with extra steps.

4. Sony will take the same approach as Microsoft here and just sell officially licensed PS5 NVME drives in a special enclosure. This is the least dumb option for them and will need them to walk back previous statements.

 

[IntentionalPun]

This is true and Sony's solution will end up being proprietary in some fashion anyways. Mark Cerny said that PS5 will have an expansion enclosure that an NVME drive needs to fit into. So here are the options:

1. Allow owners to open up the PS5 and slide the NVME drive into the motherboard. Warranty nightmare, won't happen.

2. Have a "PS5 compatible" list of NVME drives that users will need to consult before purchasing an upgrade. Then have them slide that "naked" NVME drive in a slot on the back of the PS5. This is a customer service nightmare and the average PS5 user will find a way to mess this up. Highly unlikely.

3. Sony sells a custom NVME enclosure for $20 (or ships it with PS5) that slots into the back of the PS5. Users simply open it up, put their PS5 compatible NVME in the enclosure and snap it back together. Sony will work with third parties to license "PS5 compatible" hard drives. These will be more expensive due to the aforementioned licensing and is basically Microsoft's approach with extra steps.

4. Sony will take the same approach as Microsoft here and just sell officially licensed PS5 NVME drives in a special enclosure. This is the least dumb option for them and will need them to walk back previous statements.

Sony for 2 gens in a row has had users instructed to open up their systems and do HD swaps.. all using 3rd party drives. I doubt they'll change from the plans Cerny laid out.

PS4:

 

[Harlock]

You know where Sony will make up for the price loss with the console.

 

[NullZ3r0]

Sony for 2 gens in a row has had users instructed to open up their systems and do HD swaps.. all using 3rd party drives. I doubt they'll change from the plans Cerny laid out.

PS4:

Have you ever installed an NVME drive? It's more like installing memory than installing a hard drive. Not the same thing at all. And like I said, Mark Cerny already confirmed an expansion bay of some sort.

As fast as the PS5 storage is, it will be connected directly to the mainboard with a fast bus to the APU. Additional storage will need to be the same way. Microsoft's expansion SSD basically plugs directly into the mainboard.

 

[Alebrije]

Incredible we know a lot about PS5 but not official price and relase date... 8 -25-2020 and its suppose to be relased this year...

 

[IntentionalPun]

Have you ever installed an NVME drive? It's more like installing memory than installing a hard drive. Not the same thing at all.

No; but I'm familiar with the process (I've installed a ton of RAM in PCs, laptops, etc.)

It does have some sort of internal enclosure probably much like many laptops do.. Cerny said as much. It's probably like a laptop, the process is pretty simple, and doesn't expose much of the motherboard. (remove a panel, maybe a screw.. slide in.. replace screw.. replace panel, done)

 

[Gamerguy84]

No; but I'm familiar with the process (I've installed a ton of RAM in PCs, laptops, etc.)

It does have some sort of internal enclosure probably much like many laptops do.. Cerny said as much. It's probably like a laptop, the process is pretty simple, and doesn't expose much of the motherboard. (remove a panel, maybe a screw.. slide in.. replace screw.. replace panel, done)

I have. Its simple. Insert in slot, which only goes in one way. Insert screw.

Pretty much like installing a hard drive. On a mobo in a PC you have to find the slot, which is also easy. On the PS5 it will be remove cover and it will be right in front of you.

No timestamp but 2:45

 

[LittleBusters]

If XSX has basically the same usable storage 'factory fresh' than there is no scandal. If XBox has 200GB more than it's storage-gate for Sony.,

 

[vkbest]

It's not just the OS. The video recording buffer and such would also be apart of this. If it records in 4K at all times then it's totally reasonable it would take up that much space.

One X takes 140
And PS4 Pro takes about 125.

Video buffer on PS4 is not reserved for SO, if you have low free space on your hard drive, you get a notification that says the recording is disabled

 

[Nikana]

Video buffer on PS4 is not reserved for SO, if you have low free space on your hard drive, you get a notification that says the recording is disabled

That doesnt mean its not buffering still. That simply means its taking your ability to store recordings internally. Doesnt really matter. THe OS still takes up 125 gigs.

 

[RoadHazard]

That's like the other way of the rumor that RedGamingTech just reported on. PS5 has 1TB, explains that 1TB is not actually 1TB but slight more or whatever, and then 175 is taken up by the "OS" or something like that and the usable storage is 825GB. But this rumor says the it's actually 825GB with 175GB reversed for OS so actually only 650GB Someone is off.

I'll wait on official numbers. I do enjoy the mini-meltdowns whenever a rumor like this pops up LOL

Cerny quite clearly explained that the actual SSD size is 825GB, and why that is. It's not a 1TB drive.

 

[MastaKiiLA]

That's slow for fiber.

You got me. I only live in a McMansion. It's still in the nice part of town.

 

[blastprocessor]

PS4= For the players
PS5 = For the disk cleaners

 

[captainraincoat]

Sony for 2 gens in a row has had users instructed to open up their systems and do HD swaps.. all using 3rd party drives. I doubt they'll change from the plans Cerny laid out.

PS4:

Problem is these are not off the shelf drives you can just go down to your local office supplies and crack open a notebook external drive and plonk it in like the ps4

it’s a custom ssd drive designed to work and give a certain level of performance to the ps5...you put in a lower spec it’s going to affect performance and that hdd speed advantage for games designed to work with it is eroded

Even if you were to swap the internal the Internal Drives of that spec are stupidly expensive and the external drives are even more so as they have controller boards

You better hope the ps5 is a decent price as 80% of users are going to be looking for extra storage and the old disc version is less space is bullshit as the ps4 basically uses discs as drm and installs the whole disc on ps4...don’t see it changing for ps5

 

[kyliethicc]

PS4 500 GB has ~ 410 free space to use. 82%.
PS4 Pro 1 TB has ~ 870 free space to use. 87%.
PS5 825 GB at around ~ 85% after OS would be 700 GB of free space to use.

Xbox One 500 GB has ~ 365 GB of free space. 73%.
Xbox One X 1 TB has ~ 780 GB of free space. 78%.
So Series X will also need more space reserved for Quick Resume. ~ 75% or 750 GB of free space.

So Series X will likely have around 50 GB more of useable space than PS5.

 

[Hawk269]

I am already planning/budgeting in extra NVME Storage for both the Series X and PS5. On Series X up till now is limited to 1tb from Seagate...until we get a list from Sony we are not sure what size we can get on PS5. I hope they have 2tb ones certified by launch or launch window.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Problem is these are not off the shelf drives you can just go down to your local office supplies and crack open a notebook external drive and plonk it in like the ps4

it’s a custom ssd drive designed to work and give a certain level of performance to the ps5...you put in a lower spec it’s going to affect performance and that hdd speed advantage for games designed to work with it is eroded

Even if you were to swap the internal the Internal Drives of that spec are stupidly expensive and the external drives are even more so as they have controller boards

You better hope the ps5 is a decent price as 80% of users are going to be looking for extra storage and the old disc version is less space is bullshit as the ps4 basically uses discs as drm and installs the whole disc on ps4...don’t see it changing for ps5

Sony is going to allow off the shelf drives; once 7GB/sec PCI 4.0 drives arrive for instance.

But yes it will only be certain drives.. not sure what that has to do with how it's going to be installed.

 

[captainraincoat]

Sony is going to allow off the shelf drives; once 7GB/sec PCI 4.0 drives arrive for instance.

But yes it will only be certain drives.. not sure what that has to do with how it's going to be installed.

Installing won’t be the problem.....actual compatibility That’s the problem...there are so many different specs for ssd drives compared to old HD’s they used in ps3/ps4...and ones of the same supposed spec as ps4 don’t really exist at the moment

The ps5 will either have to
A) only a certain speed ssd can be used
B) have a proprietary option like the vita
C) let you use any ssd but the advantages of the io/read speeds are throttled

I’m thinking it’s gonna be c which means many of these games that take advantage of the ssd are going to be pared back for most users as they won’t be paying another $400 for an external or internal ssd of a similar spec to the original internal ssd

 

[NullZ3r0]

If XSX has basically the same usable storage 'factory fresh' than there is no scandal. If XBox has 200GB more than it's storage-gate for Sony.,

Xbox has a 1 TB drive, PS5 a 825 GB drive. It won't be similar.

 

[IntentionalPun]

A) only a certain speed ssd can be used
B) have a proprietary option like the vita
C) let you use any ssd but the advantages of the io/read speeds are throttled

Cerny already said it's A. The design has been finalized for a while now, not like they are suddenly going to re-design proprietary drives.

Whether A is actually a hard requirement or a soft one (meaning they tell you what is supported, and it's a "try at your own risk" otherwise) is unknown.

But there should be no reason for any dev to design around the expectation of a slower drive. At least not on PS5 itself; multi-plats will have to contend with the XSX being less than half the speed.

 

[T-Barbs]

What you think going physical will increase the size of the SSD?
You still need to install games on the drive whether its the internet or physical media that the game data is coming from

And so what? For me is not a problem.

Keeping 7-8 games + DLCs installed is really all that i need and in the case, i can simply free some space and re-install.

A small storage can be a serious limitation for digital buyers instead.

Obviously i would like a fully usable 1 TB SSD, but since we are speaking about consoles here, i am more than fine with this compromise.

 

[MastaKiiLA]

You better hope the ps5 is a decent price as 80% of users are going to be looking for extra storage and the old disc version is less space is bullshit as the ps4 basically uses discs as drm and installs the whole disc on ps4...don’t see it changing for ps5

Try chopping a zero off that percentage, and you'll probably be a lot closer to the number of users who will get an extra hard drive. If you think 80 million PS4 owners got extra storage, I've got a bridge to sell you. I'd be surprised if 8 million PS4 owners bought extra storage. I certainly wasn't going to, and I'm more of a power user than 90% of the gaming community. I bought 2 SSDs just for my laptop, and have a 3rd sitting in a USB enclosure, after it got replaced. The only drive I would have thrown in the PS4 is one of the drives I pulled out of my laptop.

 

[Black_Stride]

And so what? For me is not a problem.

Keeping 7-8 games + DLCs installed is really all that i need and in the case, i can simply free some space and re-install.

A small storage can be a serious limitation for digital buyers instead.

Obviously i would like a fully usable 1 TB SSD, but since we are speaking about consoles here, i am more than fine with this compromise.

You are a very confused guy apparently.

Whether you are digital or physical the size of installation is still the same so if its a limitation for Digital owners, then its also a limitation for Physical owners.

How is it only a serious limitation for digital buyers yet somehow not a limitation for physical buyers?

Not planning to go digital, so more than enough for me.

Physical = Small SSD not a problem because I can reinstall later
Digital = Small SSD a problem because I cant reinstall later, because downloading the game from the internet after you have deleted it is impossible?

You see how your logic and the specific mention of digital doesnt make sense?
You could have just said I dont need more than 600GB of storage at any one time and not mentioned digital vs physical because there is no difference between them.
Physical disks are just a transfer medium, digital downloads use the internet as a transfer medium, the end result is exactly the same.

 

[T-Barbs]

You are a very confused guy apparently.

Whether you are digital or physical the size of installation is still the same so if its a limitation for Digital owners, then its also a limitation for Physical owners.

How is it only a serious limitation for digital buyers yet somehow not a limitation for physical buyers?





Physical = Small SSD not a problem because I can reinstall later
Digital = Small SSD a problem because I cant reinstall later, because downloading the game from the internet after you have deleted it is impossible?

You see how your logic and the specific mention of digital doesnt make sense?
You could have just said I dont need more than 600GB of storage at any one time and not mentioned digital vs physical because there is no difference between them.
Physical disks are just a transfer medium, digital downloads use the internet as a transfer medium, the end result is exactly the same.

Is clearly a limitation for everyone but nowaday, the physical format is less penalized by a limited storage and this is what i implied in my initial quote.

For the digital unfortunately, the difference might be given by the quality/speed of the internet connection for which,.while with a disc the wait is acceptable, download a 50-100 GB game can be a real pain.

 

[Lethal01]

I'm loving this proprietary ssd future!


Ps5 won't let you play Ps5 games with externals just Ps4 (some) games because they don't have the POWER of Sony's proprietary ssd!

What? you have it backward, Sony let's you use any SSD that's fast enough.
Microsoft requires you use proprietary.

 

[spawn]

That is enough for maybe 4 or 5 games lol

 

[jaysius]

I can't wait to see the SDF defense of the pricing on the PS5 CERTIFIED(only CERTIFED drives will WORK in a PS5) this is gun be gud.

EDIT: Sony fans really attacked MS for their expensive expansion drive cost, but they might be shocked when they realize how expensive their own expansion drives will end up costing.

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

I can't wait to see the SDF defense of the pricing on the PS5 CERTIFIED(only CERTIFED drives will WORK in a PS5) this is gun be gud.

At least better than paying 240-270 euros for a slow 1TB Seagate NVMe Card. The Samsung 980pro is already cheaper than the Seagate.

 

[loktaiextatus]

I can't wait to see the SDF defense of the pricing on the PS5 CERTIFIED(only CERTIFED drives will WORK in a PS5) this is gun be gud.

They dont have to be certified in any way.... But sony will test some and let us know the ones they confirm work 100%. (Per Sony).

And the cost will be the same cost as for a PC or any other device that can use them. You dont need to buy it in a Sony package.

You know...

With the news that the Series X has 800gb usable and given that the OS should not be much different

Does the SERIES S ONLY HAVE 300GB USABLE?

 

[clintar]

I can't wait to see the SDF defense of the pricing on the PS5 CERTIFIED(only CERTIFED drives will WORK in a PS5) this is gun be gud.

"Thanks for letting us use off the shelf drives!" ?

 

[Edgelord79]

I don't believe this at all.

 

[Albion]

Hard to believe, this would be so so bad. We need minimum 3 TB for next gen

 

[jaysius]

They dont have to be certified in any way.... But sony will test some and let us know the ones they confirm work 100%. (Per Sony).

And the cost will be the same cost as for a PC or any other device that can use them. You dont need to buy it in a Sony package.

You know...

With the news that the Series X has 800gb usable and given that the OS should not be much different

Does the SERIES S ONLY HAVE 300GB USABLE?

Cerny HAS STATED "CERTIFED DRIVES".

This generation is going to be rough on game download hoarders, people are going to have to change their installing habits, or at least their "this game is ready for me to play" backlog habit. Any type of hoarding is a sickness, hopefully people will find some help and get over it, and realize that there aren't that many games you can play at the same time.

This problem will take quite a while to resolve. The only thing we can hope for is that devs user better compression and that the companies enforce optimization of file sizes.

COD MW is probably the worse for ridiculously sized patches this gen. Rainbow 6 Siege has some constant updates that is getting annoying.

I really feel bad for people on quota restricted internet plans.

"Thanks for letting us use off the shelf drives!" ?

I'm not sure where this quote is from.

 

[mckmas8808]

Hard to believe, this would be so so bad. We need minimum 3 TB for next gen

No we dont.

 

[Mod of War]

I can't wait to see the SDF defense of the pricing on the PS5 CERTIFIED(only CERTIFED drives will WORK in a PS5) this is gun be gud.

Knock off the juvenile antagonism. Points can be made without man-child acronyms.

 

[RoboFu]

My question is does it have internal and a external port or is it just one.

 

[Digity]

Works for me, any game I play on console is deleted once it's done.

 

[jaysius]

My question is does it have internal and a external port or is it just one.

So far Sony hasn't shown how we install the expanded memory in the PS5. I guess we'll see it soonish? I'm guessing you pry the side off and jam it in somewhere?

 

[RaySoft]

175GB reserved for a videogame console operating system?

Well if true, this confirms that PS5 also has a "quick resume" function. This stuff requires ~16GB a pop for each state (space depends on how many states are possible and if they use compression or not)

 

[FunkMiller]

External SSDs are going to be prohibitively expensive to begin with, but as Sony has allowed third party, they’ll get a lot cheaper pretty quick. Only proprietary storage stays expensive.

 

[splattered]

So far Sony hasn't shown how we install the expanded memory in the PS5. I guess we'll see it soonish? I'm guessing you pry the side off and jam it in somewhere?

That's what i'm thinking too... one of the side plates probably sides off so you can access the hard drive bay(s)

 

[iamvin22]

No name site post on the same day that series x os foot print is posted. Yea ok