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Dusk Golem reiterates that the Xbox will be more powerful than the PS5 (Admitted to starting console wars, demodded)
Mr. PlayStation
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freefornow
Gold Member
Some one on twitter asked if he was really fired as a Mod.
Replied with:
"Nah, the situation is a bit more complicated. I'm taking a paid position as a writer for Biohazard Declassified. "
FranXico
Member
Yes, let's only think of the teraflop difference in isolation, and ignore that the baseline performance (10TF, the lowest between the two consoles) is by far the largest ever as well, and five times larger than the aforementioned difference.I am really trying hard to agree on something with you here...
can you at least agree that:
- when ps5 is at its best case scenario, when at highest possible gpu clock, the difference is 2 teraflops
- 2 rdna2 teraflops are bigger difference than the 2 GCN teraflops xbox x-ps4pro had?
Thus, the teraflop difference this time is more significant than xbox x - ps4pro?
I mean, its simple logic, normally not even up for discussion, yet I've spent a good portion of two hours while some go around in circles
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I am really trying hard to agree on something with you here...
can you at least agree that:
- when ps5 is at its best case scenario, when at highest possible gpu clock, the difference is 2 teraflops
- 2 rdna2 teraflops are bigger difference than the 2 GCN teraflops xbox x-ps4pro had?
Thus, the teraflop difference this time is more significant than xbox x - ps4pro?
I mean, its simple logic, normally not even up for discussion, yet I've spent a good portion of two hours while some go around in circles
The relative difference between the two is also math, but of course that does not look suitable to your argument. It is still 18% of better shader performance based on raw throughput. Nobody debated it or takes offende to it beside those so focused on power and drinking the retrorockets on the fasted console ever seeing 18% better at one metric not living up to what they were fed.
TFLOPS difference is also one of the many things that can influence final game performance or the games that can be made on the console, discounting bottlenecks that separate theoretical from sustained, but sure that only matters for PS5
.You shouldn't be so hard on yourself.
FranXico
Member
As I was saying...
Kokoloko85
Member
since when is considered "console warring" when you decide to share some inside info you have?
he said that the reason he spoke about it was because what was going on with xbox trolling in his opinion was far from the truth.
there is no way to justify resetera here, but only in the case he asked himself to not be a moderator any more.
in fact they are not allowing discussion for the topic, having placed a ban-warning even in the dedicated console threads
"it is not acceptable even to retreat to the safety of their community OT to talk about shit. in the interest of (put what you want here) such posts will be moderated harshly"
this is more than laughable, and a real abjection to resetera being a "forum", ie a place to discuss and offer opinions.
It was the title I clicked on For the thread? I didnt want to go through so many pages just to read the important part thats why I suggested the main bits be edited on the 1st page of the thread.......
I dont know the story and wanted a highlight as the title kept getting editted.
Dusk Golem reiterates that the Xbox will be more powerful than the PS5 (Admitted to starting console wars, demodded)
It also says your a bum, so is your mum
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thelastword
Banned
The problem VFX is that if I get a message from a king to relinquish my lands "that comes with a royal seal", So you can't shoot the messenger in that instance...But when you come in and say "relinquish your lands" and I ask, who is asking me to do this?...You simply say "I can't tell you, just believe me Dawg", there is a difference...
The other thing is reputation/history is important too. You've been known to raid other families of their lands "in the name of the king" before, so as a messenger people are weary....
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
Excuse me?
EliTheIceMan
Member
Dusk is a troll
J_Gamer.exe
Member
I'm sure Quantum error devs just didn't get the memo about PS5 struggling at 4k.
4k 65/70fps un-optimised.
Some serious problems they seem to be having there....
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Have we got a thread for you. Enjoy the insanity.
ResetEra Discussion -- Stay civil. Don't get personal. Keep it in here.
How will the ship finish sinking? Let's find out. As before: keep it civil, don't get personal, and keep the Reset nonsense in here rather than letting it spill out to the rest of our forum. Carry on.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
No one should have believed a cross platform game couldn't run well on PS5.
Bogroll
Likes moldy games
Maybe it was a mis type as it looks like that game could get close to 4k 30fps on a Pro. Easy done.
J_Gamer.exe
Member
And yet despite seeing all games shown in the future games show running at 4k, some 60 fps and with Ray tracing, people hear a rumour PS5 can't do 4k and suddenly its struggling and people forget what they were shown? Very weird behaviour.
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Thirty7ven
Banned
What else are they going to do? Feel like shit about the XSX? This way they can sleep well at night.
Dozer831
Neo Member
All lies, he posted his "rumor" because he felt the PS5 was getting all the hype. This has already been debunked...
Xbox Series X More Powerful Than PS5, Claims Devs Of Exclusive The Gunk
The Gunk developers say Xbox was the only choice.screenrant.com
PS5 Can (Obviously) Run Games in Native 4K 60FPS
Despite 'PS5 fake 4K' rumors flying around, developers of Quantum Error have confirmed that the PS5 has no issue hitting native 4K 60FPS.
www.dualshockers.com
pawel86ck
Banned
Dusk Golem was talking about XSX ports running on PS5. Quantum Error is game build with PS5 in mind (although it will be ported to PS4 as well), so no wonder it will run at 4K without problems. GT7 will also run at 4K 60fps.
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Mister Wolf
Gold Member
All lies, he posted his "rumor" because he felt the PS5 was getting all the hype. This has already been debunked...
PS5 Can (Obviously) Run Games in Native 4K 60FPS
Despite 'PS5 fake 4K' rumors flying around, developers of Quantum Error have confirmed that the PS5 has no issue hitting native 4K 60FPS.
What does what Dusk said have to do with what I posted?
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
lets play the halo craig game , just for a little bit of funAll lies, he posted his "rumor" because he felt the PS5 was getting all the hype. This has already been debunked...
PS5 Can (Obviously) Run Games in Native 4K 60FPS
Despite 'PS5 fake 4K' rumors flying around, developers of Quantum Error have confirmed that the PS5 has no issue hitting native 4K 60FPS.
can someone pixel-count this 4k extravaganza? maybe
NXGamer
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J_Gamer.exe
Member
He said he heard from other devs PS5 struggles with 4k games in particular.
This is another example of how it is easily hitting 4k and above 60. Maybe RT too as previous tweets have mentioned it using full RT.
Sounds ambitious but only what they have said.
Cosmic Horror FPS Quantum Error to Run at 4K@60FPS on PS5 With Full Ray Tracing
Quantum Error, one of the first independent games announced for PS5, has been confirmed to be targeting 4K@60FPS with 'full ray tracing'.
Also we have all major titles announced have been at the same res and framerates.
Doesn't seem a problem there.
If you take a game from one platform and instantly put it on another and its runs like shit and then you shout see told you it cant handle it, thats a poor argument as development needs proper optimisation.
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VFXVeteran
Banned
Cosmic Horror FPS Quantum Error to Run at 4K@60FPS on PS5 With Full Ray Tracing
Quantum Error, one of the first independent games announced for PS5, has been confirmed to be targeting 4K@60FPS with 'full ray tracing'.
This is more concrete proof that games are developed on PC first. Then downscaled to consoles..
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pawel86ck
Banned
Link please? I can only find his comments in regards to XSX ports, but nothing about games build with PS5 hardware in mind (exclusives).He said he heard from other devs PS5 struggles with 4k games in particular.
This is another example of how it is easily hitting 4k and above 60. Maybe RT too as previous tweets have mentioned it using full RT.
Sounds ambitious but only what they have said.
Cosmic Horror FPS Quantum Error to Run at 4K@60FPS on PS5 With Full Ray Tracing
Quantum Error, one of the first independent games announced for PS5, has been confirmed to be targeting 4K@60FPS with 'full ray tracing'.wccftech.com
Also we have all major titles announced have been at the same res and framerates.
Doesn't seem a problem there.
If you take a game from one platform and instantly put it on another and its runs like shit and then you shout see told you it cant handle it, thats a poor argument as development needs proper optimisation.
BTW. both consoles will struggle at 4K and compromises will have to be made. Even 2080ti OC'ed (18TF GPU) struggle to run current gen ports at 4K 60fps.
Nickolaidas
Member
That's because of the lighting, once Ray Tracing is patched, it'll look perfect.
J_Gamer.exe
Member
Link to what? First page last tweet he mentiones in the op... says it struggles with them in particular.
Yeah native 4k seems a waste and am sure they both will have to lower at times and I'd rather a lower res upscaled looking basically the same and better graphics etc but that'll come.
But thats not the point here.
Also don't forget clever things to make 4k much easier to run like the geometry engine so it won't be like running straight 4k it'll be making savings by not rendering what's not shown.
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geordiemp
Member
lets play the halo craig game , just for a little bit of fun
can someone pixel-count this 4k extravaganza? maybe
That game is an indie game made up of a studio of 4 brothers.
Playstation 5 Developer Interview - Quantum Error | Ray Tracing, Performance & Gameplay Discussed
We interview TeamKill Media, the devs behind the PS5 game Quantum Error.
www.redgamingtech.com
If we are comparing indie to large studios what has GAF come to ?
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
so, native 4k is dependent on the size of the studio? if it was two instead of four, could they boast 8K native?That game is an indie game made up of a studio of 4 brothers.
Playstation 5 Developer Interview - Quantum Error | Ray Tracing, Performance & Gameplay Discussed
We interview TeamKill Media, the devs behind the PS5 game Quantum Error.www.redgamingtech.com
If we are comparing indie to large studios what has GAF come to ?
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Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Here here a handful of indie devs vs 400-man development team with $500m budget...gtfo
geordiemp
Member
Cant argue with that Einstein logic. Expanding universe.
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
good. then don't
GHG
Member
Nah let it happen.
The only people who should be embarrassed in such a scenario are 343i.
MasterCornholio
Member
Sometimes a two man studio can produce a much better game than a 400 man studio.
I honestly am pretty confused with what you said to be honest.
John Wick
Member
Hahaha! Looks like Dusk Crap done his job. Sony show games running on PS5 @4K. Some at 4K 60fps. Confirmed by Code masters that their game will be 4K60. Yet Dusk Shite states a game in development isn't running as desired. Internet runs with the rumour and lo and behold PS5 struggling with 1080p60. Lmfao. Some people........
He's even admitted he only stated this to even out the negative press Xbox was getting.
Yet 25 pages later PS5 will struggle with 4K?
There sure are some rabbid fanboys and some really thick people too. Fanboys I can understand but stupidity.......
He's even admitted he only stated this to even out the negative press Xbox was getting.
Yet 25 pages later PS5 will struggle with 4K?
There sure are some rabbid fanboys and some really thick people too. Fanboys I can understand but stupidity.......
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TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
why are you confused?
the poster above, which I quote for your convenience right below, called once again dust a liar, and he provided a link to dual shock
All lies, he posted his "rumor" because he felt the PS5 was getting all the hype. This has already been debunked...
PS5 Can (Obviously) Run Games in Native 4K 60FPS
Despite 'PS5 fake 4K' rumors flying around, developers of Quantum Error have confirmed that the PS5 has no issue hitting native 4K 60FPS.
so I opened the link, I saw an article calling him liar, even explaining what "fake 4K" means, and as proof they had the video below.
I didn't even have to open the video first, as it's cover page almost cut my eyes with its precise "native 4K" iq.
see for yourself:
is that site/article directed towards complete idiots?
bringing up something as proof for native 4k, when even at first glimpse it doesn't look 4k?
MasterCornholio
Member
why are you confused?
the poster above, which I quote for your convenience right below, called once again dust a liar, and he provided a link to dual shock
so I opened the link, I saw an article calling him liar, even explaining what "fake 4K" means, and as proof they had the video below.
I didn't even have to open the video first, as it's cover page almost cut my eyes with its precise "native 4K" iq.
see for yourself:
is that site/article directed towards complete idiots?
bringing up something as proof for native 4k, when even at first glimpse it doesn't look 4k?
Ok I understand what your saying now. Your basically saying that the developers are not telling the truth.
But they did say that the game would reach those levels when it releases. Let's just wait and see if they are telling the truth.
Edit: Original Quote form developers.
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TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
I don't know man, maybe suddenly I need glasses. that is also a possibility.
that's why I asked
NXGamer
for a pixel count.unless the subject is ...too sensitive to touch.
MasterCornholio
Member
I don't know man, maybe suddenly I need glasses. that is also a possibility.
that's why I asked
unless the subject is ...too sensitive to touch.
If the developers are lying they should get called out for it.
However there is a rebuttal to this. The gameplay video was released in June. It could have been based on an older build of the game. They are claiming that the game is currently running at 4K 60FPs.
I guess we will find out the truth when the game releases. For all we know these guys can just be another Dolphin Developer. Basically four console warriors shilling for Sony.
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
and why this rebuttal does not hold for dust golem's information too? he never claimed his info was about the finished game, did he?
he did say though that from what he's been told, for this game native 4k/60 on ps5 is slim chance.
then we have these devs saying "ah, our game is running mostly above 65fps ON 4K, so we wont have any problems"
what little I saw doesn't seem native 4k though. it seems like "fake 4k" exactly like the article describes as "ridiculous"
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MasterCornholio
Member
It was the way he conveyed that information that completely fell flat on it's face. With what he said initially people thought games would be 1080P 30FPs and that multiplatforms would be broken on the system. Then he kept updating what he said and made everything seem more confusing. Finally he dropped the bit saying that he was trying to "even the odds". Then he got demodded.
You can see why some were upset with the things he said and still question him.
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
yes, I definitely can. and "the way" he presented his info is not the real cause. otherwise, people would have had appreciated the info and stopped harassing the poor guy
MasterCornholio
Member
People demanded clarification after he said that some games are having issues on the PS5. It's normal that people put pressure on him for clarification.
Nobody wants to buy a broken console. You have to understand that.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
You can add that spiderman isn't actually using raytracing to the fud list, brought to us by our friendly neighborhood shill Alex
What's this supposed to prove? It's a youtube thumbnail from the captured video. Yes videos will have a tendency to look blurry when they're paused in motion.
why are you confused?
the poster above, which I quote for your convenience right below, called once again dust a liar, and he provided a link to dual shock
so I opened the link, I saw an article calling him liar, even explaining what "fake 4K" means, and as proof they had the video below.
I didn't even have to open the video first, as it's cover page almost cut my eyes with its precise "native 4K" iq.
see for yourself:
is that site/article directed towards complete idiots?
bringing up something as proof for native 4k, when even at first glimpse it doesn't look 4k?
What's this supposed to prove? It's a youtube thumbnail from the captured video. Yes videos will have a tendency to look blurry when they're paused in motion.
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VFXVeteran
Banned
Where did he say that?
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
On RE and Twitter. Trying to pass the puddles off as SSR
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