VAVA Mk2
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Possible Megaton Incoming. New Rumor surround Microsoft series S
ManaByte
Member
You seriously think an all-digital lower powered console meant for streaming is going to sell for $400?
ManaByte
Member
So it's OK for Sony to release two SKUs at launch but not MS. Got it.
lefty1117
Gold Member
Right ... but then why buy an xbox series x? (xsex)
lastmessiah
Member
It is RTX 2080 with 8 core CPU and SSD for a presumably low price compared to what you would pay for a PC...the question is why not buy it?
Vawn
Banned
I don't think the S will be "meant for streaming". If that's all it was, it wouldn't even be capable of playing the same games and would be something like a Roku and cost maybe $120 with a controller.
But, I do agree it will be more than $100 difference, especially if it is only 4TF and all-digital. Whatever the X is, the S will likely be $200 cheaper. I'd assume $500 and $300.
lefty1117
Gold Member
OK, then by that strategy MS has made it an easier call for me to get a PS5 instead of an xsex. Though I do think the xsex will be the better hardware, but the Ps5 will have games that the other doesn't and that will really be the only reason to get it.
By the way don't take that as a complaint ... for me as a consumer that's a better option because I only have to buy one console to get access to the majority of the games. I have a gaming PC so buying an xbox doesn't seem like it will be worth it for me this generation. strange, but I'm OK with it!
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jakinov
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Well if you don't see a reason to get one then don't. I gave away my Xbox a while ago for this reason. I'd only get a new one if it were dirt cheap. Most of the money made from consoles is from people buying games because platform owners get a royalty of around $8 per game sold even more if it's digital because they cut out the middle man and charge the same price. Consoles are sometimes sold at a loss, or close to break-even. There's different camps of people. PC-only, console only and mixed. PC-only will never buy a console, Microsoft makes money off them by selling first-party on PC. Console-only will never buy (or at least use) a gaming capable PC for gaming; so for them whether or not the game is on PC is not relevant. For the people who are willing to be multi-platform owners like PlayStation fans but want an Xbox too or who would have bought everything because they are an enthusiast; it's going to be a hard battle to convince those people to buy third party games on the console (that you don't make much money on) anyways and a hard battle to even convince some of them to dish out hundreds of dollars just to play certain games. You can just sell to them on PC make money off exclusives, and then the PC-only people who buy your exclusives may (or may not) compensate for any loss revenue from potential multi-platformers willing to buy PCs. The amount of people who are multi-platformers is arguably probably pretty low considering that they have to spend a considerable amount of money to be one.
grfunkulus
Banned
lmfao. They're not that stupid. They won't market a console that has been able to be had regularly for $170 or less brand new as part of a lineup that includes a series s at $400.
Unlikely to the extreme. That would mean literally zero discount to the older products in light of the newer consoles releasing. X with get a big cut when the new consoles release (it's already dirt cheap with bundles/deals). The One S will become what the super slim Ps2 was back in the day-- a soon to be $99 console that is for the masses/casuals who buy it to play Just Dance or whatever.
SakkanartSilentJealousy
Member
Cheaper than One X ?
Jtibh
Banned
I dont see the digital version selling less then 500.
Ok lets say ssd is the same so maybe they throw something in to price it equal.
Its either this or we are looking at 600 for the disc version.
Joey.
Member
I seriously could.
I cannot for the life of me expect a $199 XSS.
If they could do it, god bless.
But isn't that what he Xbox One S Digital is going for? Doesn't make sense to me.
The Blu-ray disc drive is around $20 cost. Unless they want to lose a megaton of money per console, I can't see it.
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ManaByte
Member
The Xbox One S Digital is going to be removed from the channel. Lockhart will replace it.
Portugeezer
Member
I would definitely buy one as my secondary console. Sounds like BS though.
ManaByte
Member
People are butthurt because they're afraid of the implications if it's true.
Bryank75
Banned
If you can sell them... sure. It will be interesting to see for sure.
REE Machine
Banned
This is why it will never work and be that cheap, it doesn't matter if they have deep pockets they have shareholders to appease. They don't give a fuck about deep pockets, all they care about is how are they going to make their money back, and quick. They would never take a huge hit like that and tell them "well wait 5 years then you'll see a return"
I'm sure this is about as true as the rumor of jlo and beyonce coming over to my house next weekend for a 3sum and my wife filming it. I don't know how people even take some of these rumors as remotely true. You want to say 499.99-349.99 or 449.99 and 299.99 I can entertainment it. To sell the lockheart at well over 150 dollar loss on low margin customers is fantasy island with mr. Roark and tattoo.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
SeX 12tf $500
All digital S 4tf model $300
Get rid of all the other last gen S and X models. Tempting to keep them around and dump them for $199, but why? So scrape up sales of bargain hunters? Ok, slash the price to $150-200 to flush them all out. No more.
Got to cut the tail off at some point.
All digital S 4tf model $300
Get rid of all the other last gen S and X models. Tempting to keep them around and dump them for $199, but why? So scrape up sales of bargain hunters? Ok, slash the price to $150-200 to flush them all out. No more.
Got to cut the tail off at some point.
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fran.fernandez
Member
Halo?
Kinda saying Gears 6 is a system seller
Kinda saying Gears 6 is a system seller
ManaByte
Member
MS doesn't keep them around. They discontinued the launch Xbox One the day the One S hit the market.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
That's the way it should be.
With MS going abouts communicating games work on all platforms, it seems like the impression they are giving is S and X might linger around.
Who knows.
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
There will be games on the S too...haha. if it's all digital I'm very tempted. They should make an all digital version of the X too. Physical media is outdated and needs to die. The sooner people accept digital the better. The people holding onto their plastic discs for dear life are cheapskates stuck in the past.
ManaByte
Member
Lockhart will take the place of the S and X.
Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
Maybe its choice. The marketing spin would be something along the lines of "Play the best version of your games wherever you are". I don't have a problem with that.
Moogle11
Banned
Totally agreed. It's an awesome strategy for PC gamers as they no longer need an Xbox to play all those games and can just get a PS4 for Sony exclusives and the few third party console IPs like Kingdom Hearts that don't make it to PC for whatever reason. And Nintendo if one wants their games.
I'm not a big fan of most of MS exclusives, but I love what they're doing with this approach. I don't give a shit about any of the platform holders. I'd be thrilled if Sony and Nintendo did the same approach and put all their stuff on PC too so I could just have one platform and play every game out there. I have no loyalty to any of these corporations, Sony and Nintendo just happen to make a lot of exclusive games that suit my tastes.
It will probably never happen, best will get is just needing one device and separate streaming/download game services once internet and cloud technology is advanced enough. Much like movies/shows now where you can just buy one device (smart TV, Apple TV/Roku/whatever box) and access everything, but will need multiple services to do so. Still better to me than owning multiple expensive and electric sucking boxes though.
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Hawking Radiation
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It's more fun to let these people who make these comments wallow in their delusion.
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
On consoles yeah 16GB is weak. It's fine on PC because RAM isn't shared. Gpus have their own dedicated VRAM.
VRAM stores textures + frame buffer. 16GB isn't enough to store 4K textures and 60 frames. They will need to decide between 4K 30fps + 1080/1440p 60fps for most games. They will be games that can hit 4k 60fps but they are likely to be 1st party game or Indies with weak graphics.
said it all along that these consoles needed at least 20GB. Definitely looks like 60fps won't be the standard yet again.
TigerKnee
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TigerKnee
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As long as you are playing their games, they don’t care what you play on. Phil said as much
itsjustJEFF
Member
If it's war against Apple, Google, Amazon and their weapon is Xbox, that's a losing battle. MS backs Xbox because it is their only product that is "cool" they currently don't have any product that young people think is cool. Zune was an attempt to get a younger demographic. Minecraft was a purchase to capture the younger demo.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
This is the same rumor from the b3d source that was posted here yesterday morning.
Personally, I don't see the sense in taking a hit on the premium model when you have an affordable entry model to push mainstream sales. $399 would make sense if XSX was the only model.
Personally, I don't see the sense in taking a hit on the premium model when you have an affordable entry model to push mainstream sales. $399 would make sense if XSX was the only model.
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unknownphysicz
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Yup I would sell my one x and get the Lockhart but knowing me I’m getting the series x
Hobbygaming
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I meant if they have some games I want then I'd get the Series X and not the digital. It's also not about being cheap. I get most of my games at release for $60 lol
eastwood333
Banned
What are you smoking?
A next gen console for 200 bucks will definitely sell a ton. No matter what country it is in(except for Japan) this economic environment.
eastwood333
Banned
That's like saying God of War can't be good because their previos game was God of War Ascension
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Kazza
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If the Series S is going to target 1080p rather than 4K, wouldn't it naturally require less RAM when loading lower res assets?
They burnt through a lot of money with the OG Xbox, so they have done it in the past. I thought they might go aggressive price-wise with the One X, but then they slapped a $500 price tag on it. Maybe they were just keeping their gunpowder dry for the next gen.
I had similar concerns before the recent next-gen games showcases. Since it's obvious now that the vast majority of devs will be spunking most of the next-gen power on 4K res and a bit of ray tracing, rather than insane physics or intelligent AI, I feel confident that the lockheart can simply reduce the resolution by 75% to 1080p and not hold back next gen games at all.
Gamer79
Predicts the worst decade for Sony starting 2022
My theory like many have touched on in this thread.
Their bread and butter is going to be Game Pass. It is in their best interest to get the new Xbox in as many hands as possible. You give the hardware away pretty cheap then you get the money from the subscription. The printer business has been doing this for years. You can buy a decent desktop printer for $35 but when it's time to replace the ink, it's time to pay the piper. The ink is often times more expensive than the machine.
eastwood333
Banned
This is different. Steve Ballmer didn't support Xbox like Nadella has. Phil Spencer has confirmed Nadella fully supports Xbox, and has MS's backing on Xbox(hence the huge recent investments in 1st party). Phil reports directly to Nadella now.
In the past, Phil explained that Xbox was treated more as a band that was ok as long as they didn't make a lot of noise in the basement when Ballmer was CEO.
New leadership!
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Men_in_Boxes
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