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Possible Megaton Incoming. New Rumor surround Microsoft series S
ManaByte
Member
Do you have a NMVe SSD on your PC? If not you won't have the same experience.
Moogle11
Banned
Yes. Ever since they started Play Anywhere, all their first party games have been on PC. And I believe they plan for all to be on Steam as well as the Windows Store going foward. And yes, Infinite will be on PC day one, including on Gamepass for PC, just like Gears 5 and all their first party games have been for a while.
The only thing you may miss are some third party games that don't get a PC version (Kindgom Hearts and so on). But if you plan to get a PS5 you'll be covered.
MS doesn't care much whether PC gamers buy an Xbox, they're fine getting their money on PC where they also sell their games, DLC and Gamepass.
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lastmessiah
Member
The Xbox brand isn't just the console, you can clearly see this by just looking at their marketing and services. If you play on Game Pass for PC then you are an Xbox customer.
Mass Shift
Member
Any kind of source for any of this?
itsjustJEFF
Member
Yea, it'll have an SSD. That is the next gen factor. Every generation people ask "Whats so great about this coming gen? It better not just be a graphical jump" In reality that's what most of us here want. I think we're all too stupid to realize that this is the jump we've been looking for, the SSD/bottleneck and I/O speeds. Up till now, game design has not changed, on the developers side anyway. They finally get a game changer and most of the time people just make fun of it... because all we really care about is better graphics, thats the honest truth. We just want our games to look prettier and run smoother.
Potato Chip PRO
Member
Why would anyone play Halo Infinite on a gimped One/X when Lockhart is more powerful and at a lower price *if true.
DragoonWalker
Member
Don't want to get into this age old argument (tons of that on here already), but I believe otherwise myself. Let's not take it further.
Whatever, this is just me being selfish. If this means more people can afford a shiny new thing to make them happy, cool. Not one of those everything should be targeted at high end PC ppl. Just want the base to be higher. What's the point of next gen machines if current gen can run the same exprience, slightly shittier?
lastmessiah
Member
Not me, I would forego all of that for better AI and more responsive, dynamic and intricate systems.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Ezekiel_
Banned
If they really don't care about selling hardware, why don't they publish their games on Playstation platforms ?
Why make new consoles if you don't care about making money from it ?
If they only want to sell software and services, why not publish on Playstation consoles ?
I would buy Gears of war 6 on Playstation 5.
TheAmazingSpiderMan
Member
Ah yes, the infamous ‘war chest card’
And it doesn’t really make sense for them to push this out now, they need to push more series X consoles out the door, what’s the point of the ‘Worlds most power console’ if there’s a handful of people own it, most people will pick the series S.
JOEVIAL
Has a voluptuous plastic labia
Exactly. It's been a long term plan to get the old consoles sold. IMO.
TheFarter
Banned
Pour one out for Respawn and Apex on Switch.
MasterCornholio
Member
If these YouTubers are talking about it on their channels I don't see an issue with sharing them as a source.
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MISTER INVEIGLER
Member
Sethbacca
Member
Which still feels like a mistake. Ps5 digital 2.5 times more power at likely only about $100 more makes the $299 an absolute shit deal. If I were Sony Id advertise that shit into the ground. Now if the PS5 digital is 499 and the disc is higher it becomes a different ballgame tho.
itsjustJEFF
Member
And we might actually get that this generation because of these consoles architecture, that includes the SSD. You know what, I think people should stop specifically point to the SSD, because the SSD is just one component of why these consoles architectures are a leap forward.
Kumomeme
Member
i wonder what happened when both consoles release midgen refresh later at next gen
that 3 sku from ms that devs need optimize...even this gen lot of devs still dont bother to release upgrade patch for ps4 pro/x1x
on other side, if sony manages to put ps5 price nicely between both consoles, it could bring trouble to ms
that 3 sku from ms that devs need optimize...even this gen lot of devs still dont bother to release upgrade patch for ps4 pro/x1x
on other side, if sony manages to put ps5 price nicely between both consoles, it could bring trouble to ms
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I 100% agree IF Sony can get their digital down to $399 then it wont matter.
But I think PS5 disk will be $499 and digital $449 those are guesses.
jakinov
Member
I highly doubt they are going to do 4TF. That's less than the PS4 pro. I think it'll somewhere between 6-8 just to be a step higher than the Xbox One X.
Devs can do whatever they want, they can design around the lowest powered machine or they can aim high and then scale down. It doesn't have to run on the weakest platform while they develop. It's extra work to have to optimize for another platform but people underestimate how low you can go to get a game running on weaker hardware. We had 360/PS3 games running on an iPhone and we got the Witcher 3 running on a Switch. Even when it was just X1 vs PS4; developers didn't deliberately reduce the PS4 resolution to 720P-900P to match the Xbox. Then there's the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X where developers were openly willing to bump up all kinds of graphic settings beyond resolution and frame rate and even shove in better textures. Games can also use techniques like dynamic resolution and can even cut frame rates in half to maintain the visual fidelity that people expect from next-gen to be able to run on a weaker console. A lot of these developers are going to support PC and they probably aren't going to expect everyone to have the latest high-end GPUs from the last couple of years.
MasterCornholio
Member
I heard a ton of rumors about these systems but assuming they are all true Microsofts offering would look like this.
1. Xbox Series X
2. Xbox Series X Digital Edition
3. Xbox Series S
4. Xbox Series S Digital Edition
Doesn't this seem like too many offerings?
Realistically I'm expecting the regular Series X paired with a Series S thats Diskless.
1. Xbox Series X
2. Xbox Series X Digital Edition
3. Xbox Series S
4. Xbox Series S Digital Edition
Doesn't this seem like too many offerings?
Realistically I'm expecting the regular Series X paired with a Series S thats Diskless.
Skyrxzaur
Neo Member
Phil Spencer already states that Xbox has the full backing of the CEO Satya AND CFO of Microsoft, I believe Amy Hood. I wouldn’t count this possibility out quite yet. Taking a major loss to gain market share and than earning it back with game pass subscriptions, Xbox live gold and game sales makes sense in the long term. Lockhart is digital no? So they get a better chunk of the change.
Slings and Arrows
Banned
Current gen are GCN flops. Next gen is RDNA flops. An RDNA flop is like 1.5-2x a GCN flop
So the lockhart is 4tf RDNA (8tf GCN) where the X is 6tf GCN
Astral Dog
Member
16GB (maybe 13 for games)is not a lot for 4k but i believe lockhart should the same amount anyways, no point in having less that would be a pain in the ass for developers
Vawn
Banned
Yeah they just removed that block of Teraflops out of the machine. That's how computers work.
What does a teraflop look like again? I forget.
Krisprolls
Banned
It wouldn't make sense. It would cost them tons of money and they would lose the same vs Sony because their problem is the lack of good exclusives, not the price.
Skyrxzaur
Neo Member
huh? How would anything be held back. The supposed Lockhear
Isnt that exactly the reason TO do something as bold as that? A price that low would win back the casual market with no questions asked. Also, they took a $125 dollar hit per unit with the 360. It’s definitely not an unprecedented strategy by any means.
itsjustJEFF
Member
The consensus is that RDNA2 is much more efficient than the GCN architecture, the one that the PS4/One GPU's are built on. So really a 4TF Series S consoles with the CPU would still be more powerful than a One X.
Astral Dog
Member
I have a good digital library, but buying a new games machine that ONLY plays digital games sounds really shitty,i can't commit to such a restriction
Physical + Digital for me,whenever its convenient
Physical + Digital for me,whenever its convenient
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Dr_Salt
Member
My great grandfather who died 2 years ago came to me while I was sleeping via remote astral projection to tell me that Microsoft is gonna give away the consoles for free during its first year of release. I have no proof of this but I can make a thread and tell you everything about it.
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itsjustJEFF
Member
And they learned from losing $125 per unit. They said "fuck that" when it came to the Xbox One. But, they could revisit that in the future. I don't think they'd want to take a $125 loss again, but they might be willing to take a $25 loss, maybe $50?
kingwingin
Member
If the series s is just a 1440p series x ill be there day one at that price.
Skyrxzaur
Neo Member
You make a good case but at the same time, the Xbox brand has never been backed as hard as it is now by Microsoft. They finally see the potential long term profits with the brand considering it’s their perfect gateway into the streaming war against Apple, Google and Amazon. It’s always been an after thought, especially during the disappointing launch that was the Xbox One. Phil Spencer claims apparently they have “the full backing of Microsoft to be agile on price” and they “feel like they have a strategy that can win.” So I guess we’ll have to wait and see what that translates to.
Jtibh
Banned
I am sure ps5 digital is 500 and disc is 500 as well.
With the digital version being offered with more ssd space .
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Pretty sure Sony said they are identical except the drive. Meaning SSD is the same.
Oddvintagechap
Member
This is going to be the most interesting marketing campaign of all time.
Xbox Series S would be the target at 30fps at 1080p? Then those same games would just be upped to 60fps at 4K?
Sony will release a PS4 with a SSD?
^ which I would totally buy if its portable.
Xbox Series S would be the target at 30fps at 1080p? Then those same games would just be upped to 60fps at 4K?
Sony will release a PS4 with a SSD?
^ which I would totally buy if its portable.
LostDonkey
Member
I had also read this rumour somewhere today.
$400 For XSX
$200 For Lockheart
Just a rumour for now.
$400 For XSX
$200 For Lockheart
Just a rumour for now.
jakinov
Member
That's interesting. I don't really follow GPU tech so I never knew about that.
TLZ
Banned
Gamernyc78
Banned
Next incoming thread:
Megatin from sources I cannot expose. I talked to sources Sony to undercut Microsoft and release ps5 for 350 lol foh with this nonsense smh.
When all else fails tell a lie or a story lol
Megatin from sources I cannot expose. I talked to sources Sony to undercut Microsoft and release ps5 for 350 lol foh with this nonsense smh.
When all else fails tell a lie or a story lol
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brownfedora
Member
The fact that he is asking the question tells you everything you need to know about how successful Microsoft has been marketing that story. It's a very difficult story to tell but it's the only strategy left that makes sense. Let's be the Netflix of gaming!
There's only one problem: AAA games cost a ton to make and developers need to be able to make their money back. Microsoft can eat the costs but can third-party AAA devs? Will be damn interesting.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Yup.
And digital sales and micro trans keep going up.
Who cares about a $4-5 royalty cut from a third party disc when gamers are skewing to digital where a $60 game is suddenly an $18 cut (30%).
Sony and MS can literally sell one digital game and get as much third party money than selling 3-4 discs.
Self High Five
Member
This is literally been said for the past 20 years it has become a meme at this point.
I'm sure Apple, Google or Amazon can subsidize a $99 next gen console with $5000 retail PC specs and shit on both MS & Sony. Successful corporations don't become successful by burning money.