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[docbot]

Next-Gen is shaping up very nicely so far, but I'm a bit irritated how people can still possibly believe that the PS5 will launch with a price of 499 or even 399.

Sony is not just using top of the line components, with a SSD that seems do not even be available for the desktop market, but they are also building more expensive technology in their controller (upping manufacturing costs).

Most importantly the PS4/Pro is still selling well and costs around 449 USD/Euro even today! There is simply no reason for Sony to abandon the PS4 considering it's installation base and they will continue to sell a lots of them well into the future.

The PS5 is build around delivering a really next gen experience with not just visuals, but sound and haptics and they can't possibly meet demand anyway considering that the PS4 will most likely still move more units in the holiday season.

PS5 will be great, no doubt about it, but don't kid youself, there really is now way they are going to launch this at anything but a very premium price.

It might be frustrating if you don't have the necessary funds, but I wouldn't be suprised if they launched at 599 or even more, considering people are flocking to buy new iphones for over 1000 usd/euros.

 

[VAVA Mk2]

I'm guessing you don't remember the PS3 launch very well...

 

[Samanosuke Akechi]

$399.

 

[Yoboman]

Why not $1,000?

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

449 PS5

499 XSX

How they do it? I dunno. I just think they will, somehow. 499 for both consoles/either console is a steal for what they are packing into the boxes. Basically the price of a 2070 Super

 

[ipukespiders]

Who the fuck is gonna pay more than $500 US?

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

I'm guessing you don't remember the PS3 launch very well...

I am not sure he was born back then. Seriously, PS3 launch was done under the assumption that PS2 was invincible and that PS3 can be as expensive as Sony wanted. They were wrong.

 

[VAVA Mk2]

I am not sure he was born back then. Seriously, PS3 launch was done under the assumption that PS2 was invincible and that PS3 can be as expensive as Sony wanted. They were wrong.

Yep they sure were. Same with XBO launch...

 

[Cert.in.Death]

Bookmarking. See you in June.

 

[docbot]

There will be enough people to buy the PS5 even at a premium cost to sell out at launch. The components are just too expensive to take such big of a hit, considering the PS4 Pro still sells great atm for 450 USD. There's just no economical reason for them to do it.

And what do you think will happen to the 450 USD PS4 PRO? They sure won't just cut the price to 199 Euros.

I really hope I'm wrong, but it seems very very unlikely

 

[Lionel Richie]

It's going to sell like absolute ass if it's priced like that.

 

[Entroyp]

You mean PS5 and XsX? It feels like both can’t be less than $499 with all the tech they pack inside. But going for more than that is basically suicidal.

 

[Varteras]

I remember a couple Nintendo fanboys before the launch of PS4 and XBO insisting that those consoles would cost $800. Not saying that to start shit. Just painting the picture.

 

[docbot]

I am not sure he was born back then. Seriously, PS3 launch was done under the assumption that PS2 was invincible and that PS3 can be as expensive as Sony wanted. They were wrong.

But was it? Maybe it was not about thinking that you're invincible and can charge whatever, but actually not wanting to cut into still strong PS2 sales, they didn't need the PS3 to sell that many from day one, eventually the PS3 still came out on top.

Sadly we have a similiar situation today with the PS4 just being so profitable that they'll want to keep milking it for as long as possible.

 

[TheGreatYosh]

PS5 will be 499 at a small loss to Sony.

 

[DaleinCalgary]

Because they have to

 

[alabtrosMyster]

With the way the Canadian dollar is going it will cost us between 2000 and 3000$ for sure.

 

[Aion002]

Because they want to sell consoles?

I mean... Sure, they can charge 999 bucks on it... but not that many people will buy it and MS and Nintendo will just say: Thanks!

Don't you remember the PS3 $599 fiasco?

 

[ancelotti]

A $399 launch price would put the future solvency Sony at risk. There's no way they can eat that kind of loss and hope to make it up on the back end. The first couple years of the PS3 almost killed them and I think they would rather exit the market then go through that again.

$499-599 seems like the absolute lowest, and $699 is certainly not unreasonable given their situation. They know MS will match or beat anything they say so regardless it's a shitty call for them to make.

 

[Ailike]

SSD threads: It'll curbstomp PCs for years and cost 300 bucks!

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Next-Gen is shaping up very nicely so far, but I'm a bit irritated how people can still possibly believe that the PS5 will launch with a price of 499 or even 399.

Sony is not just using top of the line components, with a SSD that seems do not even be available for the desktop market, but they are also building more expensive technology in their controller (upping manufacturing costs).

Most importantly the PS4/Pro is still selling well and costs around 449 USD/Euro even today! There is simply no reason for Sony to abandon the PS4 considering it's installation base and they will continue to sell a lots of them well into the future.

The PS5 is build around delivering a really next gen experience with not just visuals, but sound and haptics and they can't possibly meet demand anyway considering that the PS4 will most likely still move more units in the holiday season.

PS5 will be great, no doubt about it, but don't kid youself, there really is now way they are going to launch this at anything but a very premium price.

It might be frustrating if you don't have the necessary funds, but I wouldn't be suprised if they launched at 599 or even more, considering people are flocking to buy new iphones for over 1000 usd/euros.

How can anyone with a functioning brain think the PS5 is gonna cost $600!!

 

[Codes 208]

$400-500 is the most likely range of prices from the sounds of it.

 

[docbot]

A $399 launch price would put the future solvency Sony at risk. There's no way they can eat that kind of loss and hope to make it up on the back end. The first couple years of the PS3 almost killed them and I think they would rather exit the market then go through that again.

$499-599 seems like the absolute lowest, and $699 is certainly not unreasonable given their situation. They know MS will match or beat anything they say so regardless it's a shitty call for them to make.

I just hope they manage to hit 549 at least.

 

[Aion002]

A $399 launch price would put the future solvency Sony at risk. There's no way they can eat that kind of loss and hope to make it up on the back end. The first couple years of the PS3 almost killed them and I think they would rather exit the market then go through that again.

$499-599 seems like the absolute lowest, and $699 is certainly not unreasonable given their situation. They know MS will match or beat anything they say so regardless it's a shitty call for them to make.

I disagree.


PS3 had a 900 usd cost to Sony... Sure Sony had the "war chest" made on the PS2, but that hurted a lot... And they survived. Today the Playstation Division has one of the biggest digital stores on the market and the PS Plus is a thing that makes a lot of money. So they sure can do that, but they won't.


Sony will not repeat their mistakes on PS3, no way they are going to make an expensive console, while MS is going so strongly after the consumers good will.... that would be so dumb...

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

I disagree.


PS3 had a 900 usd cost to Sony... Sure Sony had the "war chest" made on the PS2, but that hurted a lot... And they survived. Today the Playstation Division has one of the biggest digital stores on the market and the PS Plus is a thing that makes a lot of money. So they sure can do that, but they won't.


Sony will not repeat their mistakes on PS3, no way they are going to make an expensive console, while MS is going so strongly after the consumers good will.... that would be so dumb...

That isn't true actually. The initial estimated $840 BOM by IHS was reevaluated years later and found to more accurately be $665.

A $399 PS5 wouldn't shock me....

 

[docbot]

I don't actually think the XBox Series X will me much cheaper either, they'll just launch a cheaper version that will actually compete with the PS4 Pro.... but they'll convince people it's a next gen console...

I don't think people understand how much a SSD with a readspeed of 5.5GB alone costs, total cost of the system must be pushing 1000 USD already.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

I disagree.


PS3 had a 900 usd cost to Sony... Sure Sony had the "war chest" made on the PS2, but that hurted a lot... And they survived. Today the Playstation Division has one of the biggest digital stores on the market and the PS Plus is a thing that makes a lot of money. So they sure can do that, but they won't.


Sony will not repeat their mistakes on PS3, no way they are going to make an expensive console, while MS is going so strongly after the consumers good will.... that would be so dumb...

It's amazing to me how we can get these kinds of threads. Thinking that Sony is dumb enough to launch a $600 console in an economy that is likely to be totally tanked.

 

[Moneal]

If it isn't 399 we will see slow sales after initial launch rush. Slow sales, requiring Sony to drop the price was what cost Sony with PS3. The lesson that should be learned from that failure is affordability is the key to console sales.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

I don't actually think the XBox Series X will me much cheaper either, they'll just launch a cheaper version that will actually compete with the PS4 Pro.... but they'll convince people it's a next gen console...

I don't think people understand how much a SSD with a readspeed of 5.5GB alone costs, total cost of the system must be pushing 1000 USD already.

Sony has been around the block for decades, been in the console business for decades. And somehow you're asking me to believe that they're dumb enough to release a $600 console in a tanking economy. That somehow that they didn't have all of these costs figured out beforehand.

 

[docbot]

It's amazing to me how we can get these kinds of threads. Thinking that Sony is dumb enough to launch a $600 console in an economy that is likely to be totally tanked.

They'll still offer you a PS4 Pro if you're strapped.... I'm guessing it's 549 (hopefully), but this system just can't be as cheap as 399, it's simply impossible with the components used.

They're not actually earning money on the console itself anyway, it's the game's and licensing fees that make the revenue.

 

[Blond]

Do you all really think this SSD is going to make a big difference in real world performance? Sony is going to allow expandable storage via M2 because they know no real game is EVER going to use those peak read and write speeds.

I can almost guarantee you that when M2 speeds of SSDs reach an appropriate window of speed (which is garaunteed, Sony doesn't have the resources to individually manufacturer these things and is probably a early version of something Samsung is developing) they're tossing all that proprietary shit out the window for cost reasons.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

They'll still offer you a PS4 Pro if you're strapped.... I'm guessing it's 549 (hopefully), but this system just can't be as cheap as 399, it's simply impossible with the components used.

Bullshit.
You don't have a clue what kind of manufacturing deals they got with and/or what they're costs are. You're quoting stupid numbers like $1000. Gimme a break.
I can guarantee you if Cerny went to the CEO and told him that it would cost around $1000 to build his ass would have been canned.

 

[goldenpp72]

You can start at 500 and work your way down but above that is basically market suicide.

 

[docbot]

Bullshit.
You don't have a clue what kind of manufacturing deals they got with and/or what they're costs are. You're quoting stupid numbers like $1000. Gimme a break.
I can guarantee you if Cerny went to the CEO and told him that it would cost around $1000 to build his ass would have been canned.

let's hope so!

 

[zcaa0g]

"We have a product for people who can't afford a Playstation 5, it's called a Playstation 4."

- Hermen Mattrick

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

The absolute highest would be 599 right? Is 699 even realistic? 499 might be the sweet spot for both?

 

[hououinkyouma00]

They don’t want a repeat of the PS3 for one.

Also a lot of consoles are sold at a loss at launch to get in the door to customers. If the parts cost $450 like what was rumored then anywhere from $400-500 could be done.

My guess? $499 but I’m hoping for less.

 

[cryogenic7]

Next-Gen is shaping up very nicely so far, but I'm a bit irritated how people can still possibly believe that the PS5 will launch with a price of 499 or even 399.

Sony is not just using top of the line components, with a SSD that seems do not even be available for the desktop market, but they are also building more expensive technology in their controller (upping manufacturing costs).

Most importantly the PS4/Pro is still selling well and costs around 449 USD/Euro even today! There is simply no reason for Sony to abandon the PS4 considering it's installation base and they will continue to sell a lots of them well into the future.

The PS5 is build around delivering a really next gen experience with not just visuals, but sound and haptics and they can't possibly meet demand anyway considering that the PS4 will most likely still move more units in the holiday season.

PS5 will be great, no doubt about it, but don't kid youself, there really is now way they are going to launch this at anything but a very premium price.

It might be frustrating if you don't have the necessary funds, but I wouldn't be suprised if they launched at 599 or even more, considering people are flocking to buy new iphones for over 1000 usd/euros.

You are wrong. It'll be 4-500 not more

 

[Iced Arcade]

Because people expect a company not to commit suicide?

 

[Celcius]

I’d pay $600 for a PS5 (and then buy the optional ssd upgrade too for more storage). It’s packing nice hardware in not just the console but the controller as well, and hopefully they invested nicely in the cooling system too. Nice tech costs money, and for those who want something more affordable the PS4 will still be there.

 

[Xplainin]

Both will be $499 in my book.
Sony doesn't need to discount, and we are in 2020, so consoles dont need to be $300 to sell nowadays.

 

[docbot]

The PS4 has been out for 6 years, I'm just saying that 600 USD for a high end system for the next 6 years that delivers a cinematic gaming experience like never before, is maybe not that much for a launch price.

there's a lot of adults how would pay 600 just to play Gran Turismo 7 and Fifa and that's it lol

fingers crossed it's cheaper.

 

[Nikana]

Anything over $499 doesn't make sense for what's in the boxes.

 

[Captain Hero]

$559

 

[DonF]

im betting $500 cause both machines are packing lots of tflops. But basically, consoles can be sold even at a loss. They (console makers) get a cut of every game sold, so its in their best interest to have a high install base, so that more games are sold.

They "subsidize" the console cause consoles also sell games. And now, consoles also sell other services, like netflix, and other ip tv/video rental/streaming services.

 

[Portugeezer]

PS4 didn't really need to drop the price a lot this gen, I wouldn't look at that too much.

PS5 is built with a budget in mind, and I will guess selling for $600 was not that, therefore they did not build a console which would need to be sold at $600.

 

[IntentionalPun]

The story seems to be they’ve manage to put engineer the entire SSD industry and produce a faster drive at a price comparable with existing tech.

Nothing else makes sense based on the BOM talk in the industry.

It’s gonna make for an amazing media device I bet the os is gonna be insanely snappy.

 

[fran.fernandez]

399 hell yeah!
499 ok... is a ps5!
599 .... wait a minute, i gonna get one but not happy.
699... my day one japanese ps4 can keep working for more years.
799 Coffin dancer meme

 

[JohnnyFootball]

The PS4 has been out for 6 years, I'm just saying that 600 USD for a high end system for the next 6 years that delivers a cinematic gaming experience like never before, is maybe not that much for a launch price.

there's a lot of adults how would pay 600 just to play Gran Turismo 7 and Fifa and that's it lol

fingers crossed it's cheaper.

Not when 30+ million of them just applied for unemployment.

 

[reconminicon]

Oh no it's the thought police