The writers next story the sky is blue. Both machines will be in short supply but I would not be surprised if the PS5 was worse off. Microsoft seems to have been ready for production if not for covid-19 shutting plants down. Seems like Sony is on the traditional time table and with limited capacity it will be shortages for a long time.
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Bloomberg: PS5 Will Launch In 2020 In "Limited Supply", Cost $500 Or More
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Bojanglez
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I was being sarcastic, sorry should have used /s to spell it out. Text is an unforgiving medium in that respect
Uzupedro
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This is a strange use of words, why not use '' sources '' or something like that? I know Bloomberg is reliable, and that's pretty hard to be wrong since the stuff in this text is predictable, but it's weird anyway.
Wel...here in Brazil the price of the consoles are absurd regardless of the price in the USA, so I don't expect to buy any console for at least 2 years after the launch.
Wel...here in Brazil the price of the consoles are absurd regardless of the price in the USA, so I don't expect to buy any console for at least 2 years after the launch.
Agnostic2020
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Microphone array refers to noise canceling and we know dualsense has Microphone array
Microphone array - Wikipedia
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Trimesh
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BOM is "bill of materials" - it's just a list of everything you need to put together to build the product. Strictly speaking, "BOM cost" shouldn't even include the assembly cost for the product, although some of the supply chain analysis companies include it as a sort of pseudo line item. BOM+assembly will be the amount of money you have to pay to get stoppable product sitting at the manufacturers loading dock, and every thing else is on top of that.
prinz_valium
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Posted this on the other thread but - Bloomberg thinks XBox and PS SDD are going to be the same price, and $150 for 1TB (seriesX)
imo those are home shopper prices, not commercial bulk buy ..
Doubt.
It makes sense.
Series X has a faster memory setup and a bigger SSD, but is not more expensive. They made some smart decisions.
OneShotThrill
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Meanwhile the XBONE was completely smoked ....and Sony's brand name is getting tested?
Agnostic2020
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What smart decisions exactly ? The ram is split of fast ram with slow ram which will be a bottle neck and their ssd is less than half speed. How's that smart decision? These are cost cutting decisions .not smart decisions lol.
Its like saying sony went woth 36 cu for smart decision. No dude its cost cutting decisons lol.
MS prioritised gpu(18%) sony prioritised ssd(125%). Their ram and cpu cost is about the same. It remains to be seen which will pay off in long run . We will know after 7 years in 2027
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PhillMeCream
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I already got my Amex ready
Lets get to ordering baby!
Lets get to ordering baby!
TheStruggler
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I see this number kind of being bang on. They looked at logistics and realised how many Ps4's they sold without strain and are trying to cap the same number whislt going into a recession where not many people will buy. More productions will start prob when things ease up in the next 4-5 months.
Agnostic2020
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Yea and 6 million is by end of march 2021 when their fiscal year ends. So 1 million lower than ps4 in 5 months.
Okami Haundo
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Articles like this will make me anxious until I have a pre-order secured, but it makes sense. If Sony is coming in above that sweet $399 price point, less people are going to buy on day one. Especially with how crazy this year has been.
Most interesting to me is that they seemingly haven't nailed down plans for a digital reveal event...
Most interesting to me is that they seemingly haven't nailed down plans for a digital reveal event...
TLZ
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Why's it a struggle if they already have plans in place to reveal at specific times? The usual is June. Anything before is a nice extra. Not long left you know. A month and a half only.
xool
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Didn't work for PS4 in japan. 3 months later than the rest of the world and sales are not what they were previous generations.
Birdo
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That's because the PS4 isn't a handheld.
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Sosokrates
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First weaker specs then the competition and now this, the PS5 launch is not going as well as the PS4s, which is good, keeps sony on there toes and i dont think these things will set the PS5 back much.
BluRayHiDef
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Why would game developers be knowledgeable about market prices, anyway? That's not their expertise.
prinz_valium
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Microsoft has 62,5% of Ram at 125% the speed of Sony
Microsoft has 37,5% of Ram at 75% the speed of Sony
But the latter is mostly just System Memory and mostly non GPU tasks.
Microsoft could've gone with 20GB and in that case have 125% of Ram at 125% the speed of Sony.
Cost cutting decision are smart decision if you cut costs on the right and not wrong corners.
Sony going with 36CUs at super high frequency made got them to the same $499 price point with less power. So just not smart.
DaGwaphics
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First, this is all just speculation; no one knows the BOM of the PS5 outside of Sony at this point. Secondly, the old it's going to have to cost X is a tried and true marketing tactic to increase apparent value when real pricing is revealed. I'm clinging to my belief that the PS5 is a $399 console (they will undercut MS by a $100).
The lowered manufacturing is a potato\ potahto situation. They say in response to expected low demand
, I say a result of crippling fabrication problems.
The lowered manufacturing is a potato\ potahto situation. They say in response to expected low demand
, I say a result of crippling fabrication problems.MisterXDTV
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I'm expecting $449 max for PS5....
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Price will be the new SSD.
bitbydeath
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TBiddy
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So a console which is 15-20% faster is up to 50% more expensive? That would be one of the worst decisions in the history of consoles.
BluRayHiDef
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DOA, plus weak ass specs...MS will take advantage with $399 price tag, goot times
It doesn't have "weak ass specs."
PlayStation 5's GPU:
2,230 Mhz (frequency)
2304 SUs (shading units)
144 TMUs (texture mapping units)
64 ROPs (render output units)
36 CUs (compute units)
4MB of L2 Cache
Xbox Series X's GPU:
1,825 Mhz (frequency)
3,328 SUs (shading units)
208 TMUs (texture mapping units)
80 ROPs (render output units)
52 CUs (compute units)
5MB of L2 Cache
-------------------------- Shading Rate Difference
PS5's GPU:
2304 SUs x 2,230 x 1000 = 5,137,920,000 shading operations per second
XSX's GPU:
3,328 SUs x 1,825 x 1000 = 6,073,600,000 shading operations per second
Calculation of Percentage Difference: (5,137,920,000 shading operations per second) / (6,073,600,000 shading operations per second ) = 0.845943098 -> 0.845943098 x 100 = 84.5943098% = ~ 84.59%
The PlayStation 5's shading rate is 84.6% of the Xbox Series X's shading rate.
-------------------------- Fillrate Difference
PS5's GPU:
144 TMUs x 2,230 x 1000 = 321,120,000 texels per second
XSX's GPU:
208 TMUs x 1,825 x 1000 = 379,600,000 texels per second
Calculation of Percentage Difference: (321,120,000 texels per second) / (379,600,000 texels per second ) = 0.845943098 -> 100 x 0.845943098 = 84.5943098% =~ 84.6%
The PlayStation 5's fill rate is 84.6% of the Xbox Series X's fill rate.
-------------------------- Render Output Rate Difference
PS5's GPU:
64 ROPs x 2,230 x 1000 = 142,720,000 rendering operations per second
XSX's GPU:
If the XSX's GPU has 80 ROPS:
80 ROPs x 1,825 x 1000 = 146,000,000 rendering operations per second
(142,720,000 rendering operations per second)/(146,000,000 rendering operations per second) = 0.9775342466 -> 0.9775342466 x 100 = 97.75342466 =~ 97.75%
The PS5's render output rate is 97.75% of the XSX's render output rate.
If the XSX's GPU has 64 ROPS:
64 ROPs x 1,825 x 1000 = 109,500,000 rendering operations per second
142,720,000 / 109,500,000 = 1.3033789954 -> 1.3033789954 x 100 = 130.33789954 =~ 130.34%
Or...
109,500,000 / 142,720,000 = 0.7672365471 -> 0.7672365471 x 100 = 76.72%
The rasterization rate of the PS5's GPU would be 130.34% of that of the XSX's GPU or - in other words - the rasterization rate of the XSX's GPU would be 76.72% of that of the PS5's GPU.
-------------------------- Compute Rate Difference
PS5's GPU:
36 CUs x 2,230 x 1000 = 80,280,000 computations per second
XSX's GPU:
52 CUs x 1,825 x 1000 = 94,900,000 computations per second
(80,280,000 computations per second)/(94,900,000 computations per second) = 0.845943098 -> 0.845943098 x 100 = 84.5943098% =~ 84.59%
The PS5's computation rate is 84.59% of the XSX's computation rate.
-------------------------- L2 Cache Bandwidth Difference
PS5:
4MB x 2,230 x 1000 = 8,920,000 MB/s
XSX:
5MB x 1,825 x 1000 = 9,125,000 MB/s
(8,920,000 MB/s)/(9,125,000 MB/s) = 0.9775342466 -> 0.9775342466 x 100 = 0.9775342466 =~ 97.75%
The PS5's L2 Cache Bandwidth is 97.75% of the XSX's L2 Cache bandwidth
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Agnostic2020
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Fro ram :
when cpu wants access to ram the whole apu slows down as cpu has access to slow ram and both fasts and slow ram can not be used at the same time. Which means idle time for gpu increases. Also ps5 ssd will handle ui due to hitting 22 gb/s for OS related tasks so games will have access to 15.5 gb memory rather than 13.5 on xsx.
We dont know which one is smart as tf number is just one metric. We will see soon enough .
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Alphagear
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Yes remember paying £425 for the 60gb PS3 only for it to ylod on me a year later.
No chance PS5 will be the same price. The PS3 was an anomaly.
I expect £349 for UK and $399 for the US.
base
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If the next gen consoles would be more expensive than the last one then I'g do with PS5. It's enough for me. I don't need 8k120fps gaming bullshit.
DaGwaphics
Member
This is not the issue it's made out to be on console, both of these systems will hit severe penalties if the CPU & GPU access memory together over 16bit lanes, both processors could only access half the available bandwidth. 98% of the time, the cpu and gpu won't access memory on the same cycle. Then, figure in that even powerful CPUs rarely access at rates greater than 30GB/s (why PCs don't have a problem with DDR3/DDR4) and things look a little different. In reality, the "slow" ram in the XSX is still overkill for the things it will be utilized for (CPU and Sound).
The real limitation of the XSX design is that the "fast" ram addresses are not accessible when the "slow" ram is accessed (unless they have a very exotic memory controller design). That is something that developers will need to allow for.
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But then you are giving away your secrets to the enemy!!
New Yorks Finest
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I hear you ! It's just not up there with Series X. If It wasn't for PS exclusives I would have no business in owning one, as X, would be a gtg for everything.
But good looking out on the spreadsheet
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Real world performance in game load times will be about a 2 to 3 second difference. Not exactly life altering.
Agnostic2020
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Thats what I meant though. Fast ram has to wait till slow ram access is done .which means idle time for gpu and also gpu would have access to only 10 gb for its main tasks.
Hoho for breakfast
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Resellers are ready.
I hope to be able to get 2 of them. I really don't care how expensive they are assuming I still have a job at that point. Sounds like it'll be $500 which I was expecting anyway.
I hope to be able to get 2 of them. I really don't care how expensive they are assuming I still have a job at that point. Sounds like it'll be $500 which I was expecting anyway.
Agnostic2020
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Dude ssd is not about just laod time . Its about data accessibility for the whole system .so better lod , less popin , assisting cpu to work optimal . Access to data is one of the biggest bottle necks in any system (as nvidia always mention)
Load time is one of the benefits .
GriffinCorp
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I could see them keeping the same launch price for PS4 Pro at $399, but since Xbox has launched there Xbox One X for $499 in 2017. I think everyone is going to start at $499, Sony won't have to take a loss on the hardware, if it's to be believed that the total cost of the PS5 is around $470.
Sander Cohen
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I just want it to cost 450 or 500 or 550 or 60....wait no, that one is not a good idea. I mean, just cut it out with 99 at the end, it’s incredibly annoying.
Tamy
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Posted this on the other thread but - Bloomberg thinks XBox and PS SDD are going to be the same price, and $150 for 1TB (seriesX)
imo those are home shopper prices, not commercial bulk buy ..
Doubt.
this can't be right. PS5 SSD will be much more expensive. The faster an SSD the more expensive. It's very clear. Since Sony didn't order that much units for the first two Q, even less than the PS4 in the same time frame, there won't be much of a bulk discount
That's probably correct.
Nope. MSFT is buying a product from Phison, i.e. the vendor margin is included in the price.
Sony produces controller themselves, vendor margin is $0.
They easily can be the same price.
New Yorks Finest
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Fuck em ! they ain't getting shit from us!!
As soon as it's up the very second for Pre-order lock in with Amazon, BB etc.
That easy. I was never burned by these fools, ever by being on top of the game..you feel me?
BluRayHiDef
Banned
I hear you ! It's just not up there with Series X. If It wasn't for PS exclusives I would have no business in owning one, as X, would be a gtg for everything.
But good looking out on the spreadsheet
If the XSX's GPU has 64 ROPs, which will more than likely be the case because AMD's GPUs always have a maximum of 64 ROPs, then the PS5's GPU will have better rasterization (ROP performance) by 27.28% and would therefore be better in one regard and only a bit slower in others. Hence, they'd be practically equal.
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