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[Blade2.0]

BC was definitely a good thing for Xboxe one, even though I didn't use it that often. I did play Mercenaries and ninja gaiden black through on my friend's Xbone, though. Plus Shadow Complex.

But when I think about what else there is. I just don't think the Xbox bc games can stand up to PlayStations ps1 and two offerings.

 

[ManaByte]

We don't know how Sony's BC will work.

All Xbox games in BC run in 4K by default on the X, and there are a lot of 360 games they've updated to 4K as well. We don't know if Sony is going to do that or not.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Only if they buy Sega and have Sega-era games as BC on gamepass.

You can have that one for free Phil Spencer.

The next one will cost you a yearly wage

 

[Mista]

How has this anything to do with competing?

We don’t even know how the PS5 BC is going to work while we know that on Xbox the BC was 4K

Let’s not rush things for now, it’s all early and we don’t know how any will even function next-gen

 

[Stuart360]

If its BC with Playstation 1-4 then no because there will be more games and even more good games compared to Xbox. But i dont really think its a 'competing' thing here, its just a consumer friendly option, and something all future consoles will have going forward imo. And being a PC gamer, its such a good thing to have you whole history there in front of you, ready to play when you want.

EDIT. Also certain sections have been saying BC is worthless and no one cares about it etc, every since Xbox started the BC program. So if it was a pointless thing then, it should be a pointless thing when PS5 does it.

 

[ManaByte]

If its BC with Playstation 1-4 then no because there will be more games and even more good games compared to Xbox. But i dont really think its a 'competing' thing here, its just a consumer friendly option, and something all future consoles will have going forward imo. And being a PC gamer, its such a good thing to have you whole history there in front of you, ready to play when you want.

EDIT. Also certain sections have been saying BC is worthless and no one cares about it etc, every since Xbox started the BC program. So if it was a pointless thing then, it should be a pointless thing when PS5 does it.

Yup I look forward to turning on my Series X on Day One and seeing 700 games waiting for me:

 

[Ten_Fold]

Unless those games can be upscaled to like 4k then no, it just will be cool to have and also we dont know how well those games will run.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

No, I don't think they will.

 

[Marlenus]

Easily.

Xbox was x86 and the GPU supported older Direct X,
Xbox 360 is power pc but the GPU supported Direct X and the CPU should be able to be emulated quite easily.
Xbox one is also x86 and the GPU supported Direct X.

The question is do they want to.

 

[kraspkibble]

sure.

i'm not currently planning on buying a PS5 but if it could play PS1/PS2 games then that would be HUGE for me. i'd pick one up for sure as soon as possible.

Easily.

Xbox was x86 and the GPU supported older Direct X,
Xbox 360 is power pc but the GPU supported Direct X and the CPU should be able to be emulated quite easily.
Xbox one is also x86 and the GPU supported Direct X.

The question is do they want to.

considering the effort they've put into BC i'd think they do want to.

 

[ManaByte]

Easily.

Xbox was x86 and the GPU supported older Direct X,
Xbox 360 is power pc but the GPU supported Direct X and the CPU should be able to be emulated quite easily.
Xbox one is also x86 and the GPU supported Direct X.

The question is do they want to.

I don't know what you're trying to say here. The Xbox already has BC.

 

[Woffls]

If Sony have native b/c for all PS consoles in the PS5? No, Microsoft's current offering would not be able to compete. Though, presumably native b/c wouldn't offer things like the 4k rendering we have seen from some Xbox and 360 titles, so it would at least be differentiated and personal preference will be a driving factor.

 

[Leonidas]

If it happened all it would mean for me is I could remove a few boxes from my desktop.

If it's partial BC, like Xbox One, it means nothing to me because I'll still need to keep old boxes to play some things...

 

[kiphalfton]

If its BC with Playstation 1-4 then no because there will be more games and even more good games compared to Xbox. But i dont really think its a 'competing' thing here, its just a consumer friendly option, and something all future consoles will have going forward imo. And being a PC gamer, its such a good thing to have you whole history there in front of you, ready to play when you want.

EDIT. Also certain sections have been saying BC is worthless and no one cares about it etc, every since Xbox started the BC program. So if it was a pointless thing then, it should be a pointless thing when PS5 does it.

The people who said it was worthless, were probably referring to it being worthless on Xbox (due to the inferior game catalog on Xbox, compared to Nintendo and Sony consoles).

 

[cireza]

PS5 won't be BC with all PS consoles. I don't see Sony investing in this at all.

 

[ManaByte]

The people who said it was worthless, were probably referring to it being worthless on Xbox (due to the inferior game catalog on Xbox, compared to Nintendo and Sony consoles).

Are you fucking serious with this bullshit?

 

[Blade2.0]

No, I don't think they will.

Been seeing rumors it's probably in. Don't know how good the source is though.

 

[HarryKS]

I'm wondering about game patches. How are they gonna handle that.

Seems like a bit of a headache.

 

[Blade2.0]

I'm wondering about game patches. How are they gonna handle that.

Seems like a bit of a headache.

The rumors I've seen is it's all hardware emulated like the 80GB PS3 did. So not perfect emulation for everything but can get there with updates. That's just what I've seen though.

Edit: as in the ps3 cell emulated the ps2 Emotion engine. Not like the 60GB that had the ps2 hardware included.

 

[bellome]

I want new games.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

I want new games.

Who said you wouldn't be getting new games?

 

[CrisPy2019]

Well. Sony BC track record is crap. Microsoft's is awesome.

Sony has more systems and even more games per system to cover.

MSs tech/software department is much better. Plus 80% of the work is already done with the xbox one BC.

Chances that Microsoft CANT compete is like ZERO.

 

[spons]

If the PS Classic is any indication of how they'll further handle backwards compatibility then I'd rather have them ditch the idea.

I know they couldn't repurpose the Vita hardware because they didn't produce them anymore, but their dead on arrival handhelds had the best emulation efforts, e.g. PS1 on PSP and PSP on Vita.

 

[01011001]

I still see no way that the PS5 can run PS3 games.

PS1 and PS2 are easy as fuck to emulate, but PS3 is still extremely hard to do even on very high end PCs.

my prediction is that it will be back compat with PS4 and maaayyyybe PS1 and 2, but even that I am not so certain about.
PS3 is only realistic IMO if they do it like Microsoft and optimise each game to run through a tailored emulator and a separate downloaded even if you use a Disc. this will also mean they will have to deal with licensing issues and need permission for each game from its respective publisher.


on Microsoft's side I expect them to continue where they left off. I don't expect that every single Xbox and 360 game will be compatible at launch, and games with massive licencing issues like sports games never will be.

but I bet they will start off by announcing like 100 new additions to the BC lineup, and they will continue bringing in as much as they possibly can

We don't know how Sony's BC will work.

All Xbox games in BC run in 4K by default on the X, and there are a lot of 360 games they've updated to 4K as well. We don't know if Sony is going to do that or not.

Og Xbox games don't run at 4k, the maximum resolution they run at is 1920p, that's the case if they originally ran at 480p

the One X automatically increases the base resolution of every Xbox game by x16

some games that ran at very low resolutions on the og Xbox might even be as low as 1600p and below.

Panzer Dragoon Orta for exanple runs at somewhere between 512x378p and 576x378p on Xbox, this then means it's 2304x1512p on One X

patched 360 games run at 9x resolution so only games that ran at 720p on 360 actually get to 4K on One X

 

[TGO]

If done right, and I mean PSX/2/3/4 at 4k with graphical improvements to the older gens and improved framerates.
And playable from original disc?

 

[DESTROYA]

Rumor so take this as just that.

Sony PlayStation 5 rumored to be backward compatible all the way till PS1, touted to be lower-powered than the Xbox Series X to meet a US$399 target

The Sony PlayStation 5 could feature backward compatibility all the way till the original PlayStation if the latest rumors are to be believed. Apparently, the PS5 will feature a Remastering Engine and its GPU will be able to operate in three distinct modes that allow for maximum compatibility...

www.notebookcheck.net

The PlayStation 5 will feature a Remastering Engine that allows gamers to play PS1, PS2, PS3, and PS4 titles with modern enhancements.

The PS5's GPU, codenamed 'Oberon', is touted to be able to operate in three modes to adapt to these older titles — Gen0, Gen1, and Gen2. Gen2 is the full-blown PS5 experience with the 2 GHz clock. Gen1 mode resembles the GPU specs of the PS4 Pro with 36 Compute Units (CUs), 911 MHz clock, 218 GB/s memory bandwidth, and 64 ROPs while Gen0 resembles the original PS4 with half the CU and ROP counts running at 800 MHz

 

[Fbh]

I honest think the vast majority of regular consumers and consoles buyers don't care too much about Ps2, 1 or even Ps3 backwards compatibility.
I mean it would obviously be a nice bonus and I'm sure people on places like GAF would be thrilled but I doubt it would be the one feature to make or break the success of the Ps5.

Ps4 BC is a bit different as it's more recent and also the first gen where consoles have really pushed for digital ownership (it's easy to forget that last gen plenty of consoles games didn't even have digital releases).

 

[JLB]

BC was definitely a good thing for Xboxe one, even though I didn't use it that often. I did play Mercenaries and ninja gaiden black through on my friend's Xbone, though. Plus Shadow Complex.

But when I think about what else there is. I just don't think the Xbox bc games can stand up to PlayStations ps1 and two offerings.

My greatest moments playing videogames were during ps1 era. But they didnt age well, not at all. So Im not sure about the replayability of them nowadays.

 

[Bogey]

As a pc gamer who has never owned a PlayStation or xbox (but might go for it next gen) - I don't care to be honest.

Ps4 compatibility would be great as there are a few titles I'd definitely like to try. Everything ps3 or older is too old for me to care to be entirely honest.

Not sure how representative that is of course, but I'd be somewhat surprised if the wider market really cared significantly about BC for very old games

 

[01011001]

As a pc gamer who has never owned a PlayStation or xbox (but might go for it next gen) - I don't care to be honest.

Ps4 compatibility would be great as there are a few titles I'd definitely like to try. Everything ps3 or older is too old for me to care to be entirely honest.

Not sure how representative that is of course, but I'd be somewhat surprised if the wider market really cared significantly about BC for very old games

you judge games based on their age? ok... you can change that to PC "gamer" lol


I'm only like 50% serious about that... but for real... there are PS3 era and older games that are still better than any modern version of them

 

[ManaByte]

As a pc gamer who has never owned a PlayStation or xbox (but might go for it next gen) - I don't care to be honest.

Ps4 compatibility would be great as there are a few titles I'd definitely like to try. Everything ps3 or older is too old for me to care to be entirely honest.

Not sure how representative that is of course, but I'd be somewhat surprised if the wider market really cared significantly about BC for very old games

I've been playing Destroy All Humans on my Xbox One X lately. An original Xbox game that's still more fun than some of the AAA shit released these days.

 

[Cert.in.Death]

SPOILER:

It won’t be. Not with all of them, particularly not in the “insert disc, playgame” fashion.

A cloud-based solution is the simplest way to remedy the challenges, but the technological hurdles that remain require attention before the audience will be placated. But the inherent advantage of being able to play any title on any device is a draw that no consumer can dismiss and a marketing line no company can ignore.

 

[Kenpachii]

Highly doubt they get BC working even remotely. They probably are manually porting the software which will be limited the same as microsoft did with the 360 titles then.

 

[NeoIkaruGAF]

We don't know how Sony's BC will work.

All Xbox games in BC run in 4K by default on the X, and there are a lot of 360 games they've updated to 4K as well. We don't know if Sony is going to do that or not.

This.

I seriously doubt Sony is going to make that effort, even if I'd be glad to be proven wrong.

 

[Ozrimandias]

Im getting anxious about how Sony is going to handle this BC situation.
The only thing i know, as a long time PS Owner (i had all of the Sony consoles) is that if Ps5 for some reason doesn't go way back in BC (i mean not ONLY PS4) im going to be pretty angry. For me, the best scenario could be that the PS5 could play game from all the previous generation. I dont care about trophy support, i just want to play them.

 

[LazyParrot]

I don't think going back more than one generation is going to matter at all in the grand scheme of things. The percentage of players who seriously intend to play 360/PS3 games on next gen consoles has to be in the low single digits.

 

[ph33rknot]

No

 

[Kacho]

No. Xbox’s BC solution will be miles ahead of whatever Sony is offering. On top of that, Microsoft has slowly built a damn good catalogue of games. I wouldn’t expect Sony to have anything that matches that day one.

 

[ph33rknot]

No. Xbox’s BC solution will be miles ahead of whatever Sony is offering. On top of that, Microsoft has slowly built a damn good catalogue of games. I wouldn’t expect Sony to have anything that matches that day one.

I can't see Xbox matching against ps games ps2 had 90% of games

 

[quickwhips]

I hope everyone enjoys buying ps1 and ps2 games for a third time.

 

[Kacho]

I can't see Xbox matching against ps games ps2 had 90% of games

What? This topic isn’t comparing what games the consoles had and there is zero % chance they have even 5% of those games at launch. Assuming they even offer PS2 BC which is highly doubt.

 

[ph33rknot]

I hope everyone enjoys buying ps1 and ps2 games for a third time.

That is 90%of all gam s during the 90s

 

[ph33rknot]

What? This topic isn’t comparing what games the consoles had and there is zero % chance they have even 5% of those games at launch. Assuming they even offer PS2 BC which is highly doubt.

But that are the games being released again I'm an Xbox guy

 

[Kacho]

But that are the games being released again I'm an Xbox guy

Prepare for disappointment, Xbox guy

 

[ph33rknot]

Prepare for disappointment, Xbox guy

Nobi like ps games bb it that was the majority of games released in the 90s

 

[quickwhips]

On another thought shouldnt we just hope all our digitial content comes over before we wish for more.

 

[Tiamat2san]

I don’t care , it’s good for everybody.
And MS did it first.
Sony would have done it otherwise.
Competition is good for us.

 

[Kacho]

Nobi like ps games bb it that was the majority of games released in the 90s

Can barely follow what you’re saying, but the fact that PlayStation had a lot of good games doesn’t mean that those games will be available at launch. Even just getting rights from publishers is a huge hurdle.

 

[ph33rknot]

Can barely follow what you’re saying, but the fact that PlayStation had a lot of good games doesn’t mean that those games will be available at launch. Even just getting rights from publishers is a huge hurdle.

As some one who only has an Xbox there are many games only on ps 2 can you understand that I'm sure you don't understand

 

[stranno]

It will probably be a more powerful PS4, featuring OrbisOS once again. So i guess it will be compatible with the full PS4 catalog, the PS2 emulator and maybe they will bring back the good old ps1_netemu/ps1_emu from PS3. Nothing more.

XBOX Series X will be the same, full XBOX One catalog support and the same XBOX 360 (555 titles) and XBOX (35 titles) support.