Vawn
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What? Those are racist words now?
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IGN writer plagiarizes Dead Cells review - IGN issues impassioned statement on journalistic ethics
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What? Those are racist words now?
The "ERA is doomed" posts on GAF is starting to sound a lot like the "Nintendo is doomed" posts.
Revolutionary
Member
Nintendo changed their business to avoid doom. REE is literally preserving the awful community that dominated this site for a year+, but are somehow expecting a different outcome.
WAR recon zero
Banned
Are you being intentionally dense?
And yet GAF was an incredible active forum.
iconmaster
Banned
They’re taking down everything of Miucin’s. I hadn’t even considered that might be necessary, but it makes sense.
Vawn
Banned
No. i honestly have no idea what your comment was attempting to portray. He's said "stupid things like asians and irish"? What does that mean?
decisions
Member
When I said it was "doomed" I mean that it is doomed as far as being an enjoyable place to post. I don't post there anymore because it's not fun. It's a horrible environment and I just associate the website with constant stress. Will it eventually implode? If I had to take a guess I would say yes...but who knows maybe it will last for years. You censor thought on a discussion forum too heavily and people will not want to use it. You already see account suicides, the community subdividing itself into Discord chats so that they don't have to deal with the moderation, and many users deleting/permabanning their accounts out of protest.
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He was port begging for octopath traveler on PS4?
Seriously, I have no idea where this racism accusation comes from.
WAR recon zero
Banned
It is blowing up in their face... So it's a good call
iconmaster
Banned
Keep the video playing in one tab while you read along with the Nintendo Wire article in the other. It's amazing.
He even reads the "à la." He copied the "à la."
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Iaterain
Member
It is you the one who is wearing a tinfoil hat mr Conspiracy theorist.
I have no relations to Filip Miucin.
My intentions are simple, I'm a humanist who is against cyberbullying. In my opinion, the situation have gone too far.
The clickbait Gods from youtube and IGN team thought that they were acting like professionals with their big talk about ethics, morality and guilt but in reality their actions were harsh and savage.
What they have done to Filip is equal to cutting young person's hands for stealing an apple.
I believe that some people SHOULD have the second chanses. If it possible to fix everything, why not to try? Filip Miucin shouldn't have been fired.
He could have given a chance to appologize for his actions properly, rewrite the review and restore his reputation slowly, step by step. Proving that he is capable to write an original texts.
Keep in mind, that the only victim of this situation has got more than 50 000+ subscribers to his channel. If it is what plagiarism mean, then I would like to be plagiarised all the time.
No harm would be done to anyone if clickbait Gods wouldn't overcomplicating the situation to the point of absurdity and the bunch of amateurs who work at IGN wouldn't act like medivel savages.
It saddenese me that from all possibilities, we have the ugliest and mercyless one. A young stigmatised person.
Bryank75
Banned
How is he a racist? Is this according to the ‘business times’ lol
Was it something like this?
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Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
The only victim? He's been caught plagiarizing a multitude of reviews, have you not been paying attention or something? Plus he committed the biggest sin in his chosen profession, why the Hell should he not have been fired?
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iconmaster
Banned
It's turning out to be a lot of apples.
Zimmy68
Member
I've read all the stuff about how his apology was a non apology, etc.
I don't care if he bared his soul, cried and admitted everything, nothing could save his career.
In professional sports, you could do almost anything and get a second chance, except - gambling.
In journalism, plagiarism is the kiss of death and you there is no recovery from it.
Could you imagine if IGN retained him after a suspension? After his first posted review, how many user comments before someone said, who did you copy this review from? first, second?
He would be joke and IGN would be thought of as a joke.
Game Developers would probably request their game not be reviewed by him, etc.
Should he get a second chance? Sure. Everyone should. Will he, no way.
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He’s been found to have plagerized every review he was involved in at IGN, several of his late to the party news reports, and this isn’t even counting his past actions on YT, where it’s been found a large chunk of his content from preview to reviews, to opinion pieces and news videos, all originated from other outlets with absolutely zero citing or sourcing, let alone credit of any kind given. This is t even getting into his manipulative explanation video, who’s format was copied from a video, sigh and all, about how to manipulate your YouTube audience. A video where he defended what he did, said he did no wrong, claimed everyone in the industry does it, and then called out Kotaku as liars only for the internet to prove Kotaku correct.
If this was a one off thing. If Filip simply felt the crunch and rushed something like this and owned up to it, it’s possiblr he could have kept his job. Maybe. As your argument states, he shouldn’t have been fired.
But the thing is, if stealing other people’s work for nearly everything you did at an outlet isn’t grounds to be fired. If you being hired based upon content you made that was stolen isn’t grounds to be fired, than I am extremely curious what you feel warrants being fired.
Forget this is video game journalism and he broke the cardinal rule over and over. No matter where you work, if you steal anything, even just once, 90% of the time your fired. The exceptions are basically when your the boss. As you are stealing from yourself and that may only bite you down the road for your own business.
You can believe in second chances. But what has Filip done, now completely exposed, to show he should hve ever had the chance in the first place. He lied and cheated to get to where he was.
I know the internet can be harsh. But he did this to himself. Even IGN employees have come to say he lied to their face both while working their and after being let go.
I don’t know how you can possibly think he didn’t deserve to be fired.
The only victim. Heh. His victims now number in the dozens. And the list is expanding every single day. The one who busted him intitially has benefited the most, and good for him. Because Filip does not belong in this industry. He can happily I am sure find work elsewhere where he doesn’t have to fake everything to be relevant.
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At what point can this guy be fired?
Why should IGN keep him on the payroll while he rehabs his image
Allowing him to stay at IGN would be a complete dereliction of duty on the part of their CEO / Board. It would not be compassionate to the rest of the company, nor to the offender. If he wants a second chance, he needs to start from the ground up and be prepared for years of rebuilding any trust he ever had from readers. Freelance work on the side is his only chance.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
What is that old saying?
Oh yes, either put up or shut up. Where are them receipts?
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Iaterain
Member
I've already wrote that what IGN is doing isn't a journalism.
For example, during the Star Wars Battlefront 2 backlash and lootbox gambling controvercy,
they were the only channel on youtube that didn't cover those news. Like nothing important was happening.
They are advertisers and video games promoters, not journalists.
Plagiarism in advertisment is something new to me. The video game notes, neogaf comment and reviews that Filip was stealing have very insignificant value. It is harmless crime.
Filip should be educatated for his actions. The bunch of amateurs that work at IGN could teach him how to write a basic trivial video games review, but instead they have maimed him for the rest of his life.
Those bunch of amateurs that work at IGN have cut this young persons hands for stealing "apples" because they thought that is what "professionals" would do. It is actually funny to imagine how those medivel savages that work at IGN came up with an idea to throw Filip under the bus
shira
Member
The issue is compounded by the fact that IGN made money from FM stealing other people's content.
I'm all for second chances, but there are factors outside of internet judge and jury that mean those stories are going to cause monumental headaches for their legal department.
Having him in the office after that kind of screwup would bring down everyone.
iconmaster
Banned
Here's Schreier's follow-up article.
It's insane. Even his resumé is plagiarized.
laterain, I'm going to assume your intentions are good here, but reform is just not how things work in the job world. If you screw up this badly -- if you lie to your employers and colleagues, and make the company look bad -- you get fired.
It's insane. Even his resumé is plagiarized.
laterain, I'm going to assume your intentions are good here, but reform is just not how things work in the job world. If you screw up this badly -- if you lie to your employers and colleagues, and make the company look bad -- you get fired.
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Vawn
Banned
I've already wrote that what IGN is doing isn't a journalism.
For example, during the Star Wars Battlefront 2 backlash and lootbox gambling controvercy,
they were the only channel on youtube that didn't cover those news. Like nothing important was happening.
They are advertisers and video games promoters, not journalists.
Plagiarism in advertisment is something new to me. The video game notes, neogaf comment and reviews that Filip was stealing have very insignificant value. It is harmless crime.
Filip should be educatated for his actions. The bunch of amateurs that work at IGN could teach him how to write a basic trivial video games review, but instead they have maimed him for the rest of his life.
Those bunch of amateurs that work at IGN have cut this young persons hands for stealing "apples" because they thought that is what "professionals" would do. It is actually funny to imagine how those medivel savages that work at IGN came up with an idea to throw Filip under the bus
Ok you're just trolling. You had us there for a bit.
Petrae
Member
That’s not how any of this works.
I don’t care what news service, web portal, or any other press source you work for is: Plagiarism is a one-strike transgression. If you’re not smart enough to avoid committing this act, there’s nothing saving you. It’s a mistake you don’t recover from— a “scarlet letter” thing. You’re branded as a plagiarizer for good.
IGN investigated, found sufficient cause, and fired him for said gross misconduct. Any other press organization would have done the same, regardless of your opinion about whether IGN is legitimate or not. GameSpot, Polygon, Waypoint, Games Industry, USGamer, or anywhere else— plagiarism is one of the worst offenses you can commit in Filip’s chosen line of work. Your frankly immature ranting about the illegitimacy of IGN isn’t relevant here. “Bunch of amateurs”? The same could be said of 95% of the games press biz... but they’re at least smart enough not to steal and repurpose words from another site or person. Filip wasn’t that smart, and further evidence has shown without a shadow of a doubt that he’s been found to plagiarize repeatedly.
That’s the crux of the discussion here. What has happened to him after his dismissal is largely self-inflicted, by ill-advised apology video that wasn’t even an apology at all. Not only did he blatantly refuse to admit wrongdoing, but he also practically begged for further scrutiny from one of the people in the gaming press business that actually does investigative reporting from time to time in Jason Schreier. In doing so, he opened a Pandora’s Box that he’s probably wishing he’d never opened.
Had he simply chosen to apologize and then keep quiet for awhile, until the situation cooled, perhaps he could have been given another chance— or at least some sympathy. He chose not to.
I've already wrote that what IGN is doing isn't a journalism.
For example, during the Star Wars Battlefront 2 backlash and lootbox gambling controvercy,
they were the only channel on youtube that didn't cover those news. Like nothing important was happening.
They are advertisers and video games promoters, not journalists.
Plagiarism in advertisment is something new to me. The video game notes, neogaf comment and reviews that Filip was stealing have very insignificant value. It is harmless crime.
Filip should be educatated for his actions. The bunch of amateurs that work at IGN could teach him how to write a basic trivial video games review, but instead they have maimed him for the rest of his life.
Those bunch of amateurs that work at IGN have cut this young persons hands for stealing "apples" because they thought that is what "professionals" would do. It is actually funny to imagine how those medivel savages that work at IGN came up with an idea to throw Filip under the bus
Journalist and advertiser can be mixed around by your definition but I think most folks consider IGN a gamine news site. The only real difference between the two is that advertisers get directly paid by the maker and journalist get paid by potential customers of the product.
I've already wrote that what IGN is doing isn't a journalism.
For example, during the Star Wars Battlefront 2 backlash and lootbox gambling controvercy,
they were the only channel on youtube that didn't cover those news. Like nothing important was happening.
They are advertisers and video games promoters, not journalists.
Plagiarism in advertisment is something new to me. The video game notes, neogaf comment and reviews that Filip was stealing have very insignificant value. It is harmless crime.
Filip should be educatated for his actions. The bunch of amateurs that work at IGN could teach him how to write a basic trivial video games review, but instead they have maimed him for the rest of his life.
Those bunch of amateurs that work at IGN have cut this young persons hands for stealing "apples" because they thought that is what "professionals" would do. It is actually funny to imagine how those medivel savages that work at IGN came up with an idea to throw Filip under the bus
It seems you are more concerned with criticizing IGN than staying objective. You are literally saying that IGN's response to a grave journalistic sin should be an agreement that they are a joke masquerading as journalists.
I've already wrote that what IGN is doing isn't a journalism.
For example, during the Star Wars Battlefront 2 backlash and lootbox gambling controvercy,
they were the only channel on youtube that didn't cover those news. Like nothing important was happening.
They are advertisers and video games promoters, not journalists.
Plagiarism in advertisment is something new to me. The video game notes, neogaf comment and reviews that Filip was stealing have very insignificant value. It is harmless crime.
Filip should be educatated for his actions. The bunch of amateurs that work at IGN could teach him how to write a basic trivial video games review, but instead they have maimed him for the rest of his life.
Those bunch of amateurs that work at IGN have cut this young persons hands for stealing "apples" because they thought that is what "professionals" would do. It is actually funny to imagine how those medivel savages that work at IGN came up with an idea to throw Filip under the bus
Glad your ignoring my comment. Shows how little facts matter to you. You can consider IGN to be whatever you want it to be. Those stories you mentioned about battlefront 2? They did cover it - at ign.com. It was also talked about in some of their podcAsts. Their youtube channel
Is just an extension of the whole.
I’m not saying anyone has to like ign. But they are a news/preview/review outlet, the largest in the world for games, that usually throw opinions into their podcast shows with an occasional editorial.
If they aren’t journalists, than no one is.
But this isn’t even a journalist argument anymore. He’s an employee that stole other people’s work. And did so
Time and time again while working for them. If you stole over and over again from your employer, you would be fired.
You can’t teach someone like
Filip not to do what he did. Because it’s existed in everything he has touched. He completely faked his way to IGN.
prinz_valium
Member
I've already wrote that what IGN is doing isn't a journalism.
For example, during the Star Wars Battlefront 2 backlash and lootbox gambling controvercy,
they were the only channel on youtube that didn't cover those news. Like nothing important was happening.
They are advertisers and video games promoters, not journalists.
Plagiarism in advertisment is something new to me. The video game notes, neogaf comment and reviews that Filip was stealing have very insignificant value. It is harmless crime.
Filip should be educatated for his actions. The bunch of amateurs that work at IGN could teach him how to write a basic trivial video games review, but instead they have maimed him for the rest of his life.
Those bunch of amateurs that work at IGN have cut this young persons hands for stealing "apples" because they thought that is what "professionals" would do. It is actually funny to imagine how those medivel savages that work at IGN came up with an idea to throw Filip under the bus
Even if you go by that and it being a harmless crime in the board world. It still is the worst crime he could do in the video games promoter, advertiser industry
And that also disqualifies him for being a real journalist.
It's not like he is going to jail for this.
Seems all reasonable to me
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Iaterain
Member
Dozens of people has quoted me simultaneously,
I'm not ignoring anyone, I just can't answer to everyone.
Sorry.
autoduelist
Member
All this free press cant hurt.
People like you have it backwards. You're so concerned every time someone gets fired for cause. You forgetting this dude, with zero integrity, has not only been pawning off others work as his own, but stands in the way of someone else getting an opportunity to work for IGN.
That is, rather than worrying about him losing his job, consider the fact that someone else didn't get that job because of him. And all he has to show for it is lies and deceit. Be concerned when someone gets fired without cause, or company runs roughshod over their own employees. But here? Be happy for the future employee, don't be sad for the one that gets kicked out the door for literally stealing instead of working.
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Petrae
Member
I've already wrote that what IGN is doing isn't a journalism.
For example, during the Star Wars Battlefront 2 backlash and lootbox gambling controvercy,
they were the only channel on youtube that didn't cover those news. Like nothing important was happening.
They are advertisers and video games promoters, not journalists.
Plagiarism in advertisment is something new to me. The video game notes, neogaf comment and reviews that Filip was stealing have very insignificant value. It is harmless crime.
Filip should be educatated for his actions. The bunch of amateurs that work at IGN could teach him how to write a basic trivial video games review, but instead they have maimed him for the rest of his life.
Those bunch of amateurs that work at IGN have cut this young persons hands for stealing "apples" because they thought that is what "professionals" would do. It is actually funny to imagine how those medivel savages that work at IGN came up with an idea to throw Filip under the bus
So— because IGN didn’t go to YouTube to talk about the lootbox controversy, despite covering it on its website— it’s not journalism? I mean, I don’t think think “video game journalism” is even a thing, but that’s not sufficient evidence to prove your assertion.
IGN, like every other website now and every other magazine before the internet killed them off, is a gaming press vehicle. Very little investigative work is done; they parrot press releases and share their experiences playing video games (either in preview or review format). Once in a great while, there are pieces that show some elementary journalism, but that’s it.
This doesn’t matter here, though. Plagiarism in any form is an offense of gross misconduct. You can’t steal the work of others to write a book, write a song, write a movie script, write a news story, or one of many other situations. Doing so results in either disciplinary action or legal action. It doesn’t matter that the plagiarized material benefits from the theft; it’s still theft of someone else’s work.
IGN didn’t “maim” Filip. Filip “maimed” himself. You still don’t seem to understand that he is responsible for his own actions. He’s an adult, not a 10 year-old. He did it, he gets punished for it... and the punishment for his transgression is severe for him as it would be for anyone else.
You don’t “re-educate” here. Theft of any sort is means for dismissal in just about any business. The “re-education” comes from the experience of getting fired. You hopefully don’t do the same thing again if given another opportunity somewhere. It’s not incumbent upon the employer to rehabilitate its employees who break the rules.
Vawn
Banned
Meh. 2/10
goldenpp72
Member
The idea would be to deflect I suspect.
goldenpp72
Member
Dozens of examples are surfacing, he very much should have been fired. He literally isn't doing his job.
Yaska
Member
What this "reviewer" did constitutes as copyright crime in multiple countries. While to a layman it may appear as a harmless crime, there is a clear connection to income from his texts. As such, IGN actually is forced to terminate the employment. If this was a one-off incident, I could've seen IGN standing up for this guy, but as it was continous and numerous, it's just a common sense to terminate the employment. Ask yourself, is Filip vital enough for IGN for them to risk multiple lawsuits?I've already wrote that what IGN is doing isn't a journalism.
For example, during the Star Wars Battlefront 2 backlash and lootbox gambling controvercy,
they were the only channel on youtube that didn't cover those news. Like nothing important was happening.
They are advertisers and video games promoters, not journalists.
Plagiarism in advertisment is something new to me. The video game notes, neogaf comment and reviews that Filip was stealing have very insignificant value. It is harmless crime.
Filip should be educatated for his actions. The bunch of amateurs that work at IGN could teach him how to write a basic trivial video games review, but instead they have maimed him for the rest of his life.
Those bunch of amateurs that work at IGN have cut this young persons hands for stealing "apples" because they thought that is what "professionals" would do. It is actually funny to imagine how those medivel savages that work at IGN came up with an idea to throw Filip under the bus
Actions always have consequences, in this case Filip is getting off lightly by just losing his job. And as far as I know, there are no legal actions taken against him yet.
ILLtown
Member
I don't think he's racist, but I can tell you the gist of what he said.
He was basically attacking the idea of white supremacy, where everyone who isn't white is held back in society by institutional racism. He used the example of Asian people as a rebuttal to that claim, because on average they're higher earners than any other group in America.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
The thing about the way the world is today is if you aren’t a minority, and you make a comment or post a thought about any other ethnicity that doesn’t depict them as being completely oppressed, then you will be labeled a racist. What he said was not racist at all. One can argue against the premise of his point without ignorantly declaring him a racist. I think his point has merit, but also when you see what is happening with Asians at Harvard, they are experiencing institutional racism right now. That whole situation at Harvard is a joke. And not enough people are talking about it, because it doesn’t fit the typical agenda.
But anyway, to the story at hand, yeah, this dude is one weird cat. Even lifting his resume? Lmao. This story is becoming weirder and weirder and more oddly entertaining by the day.
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Scopa
The Tribe Has Spoken
Copying from his own colleagues. Fuck me, this is epic.
Silvawuff
Member
That's insane he plagiarized his own resume, as well as one of his own colleagues. I will say that this is an overall good situation for the industry, because it's making writers think carefully about how they present the material of their craft, as well as how they source their information. It's a good refresher to...yanno, not steal others' work and present it as your own.
Also, his mug shot on the recent Kotaku article that Jason wrote is savage.
Also, his mug shot on the recent Kotaku article that Jason wrote is savage.
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DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
What if his name isn’t really Filip Miucin and he stole a dead guy’s identity? 
