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JJ Abrams to direct Star Wars Episode IX, Chris Terrio co-writing, now due Dec 2019
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Except RLM largely liked TFA, so they can't use them!
I'm still heartbroken we won't have, at the very least, a woman co-writing it.
Ristifer
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But womp rats.
But, for real, I think academy award winner Chris Terrio, under the watchful eyes of Abrams and Kennedy, will be fine.
That or they'll fire him and get somebody else. Seems like they feel a lot more comfortable doing that these days.
That or they'll fire him and get somebody else. Seems like they feel a lot more comfortable doing that these days.
You see, the difference is because Rey is a g...g...g...g...g...girl.
QuantumZebra
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It's a shame, really.
Yea I can't remember seeing people so divided on a film like TFA.
Which is mind-boggling for me because I thought it was fantastic and 2nd only to ESB, and I have been obsessed with SW my entire life.
Yep but people won't admit to that. They just misdirect into "Well TFA is just a clone of ANH".
0 accountability for shitty poorly-thought-out opinions with TFA critics.
Lifejumper
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Soo to get us back to the topic... what can we expect from terrio, which aspects from the bvs script were from him?
It sounds like Martha was him, which is obviously bad, but a lot of the awful rest of the plot was already present by the time he got there.
they should be proactive and hire a woman co-writer!!!! kathy please!!!!
Yes, but those are two scenes and the movie is over two hours!
The dude wrote Argo, right? So it's not like he's just all about the BvS stinker
Great post
Great post
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I feel like Abrams, considering he got the release date pushed back again before signing on, probably had some say in Terrio's getting the job with him, and if he either picked him or approved of him, there's gotta be something to that.
Now granted, maybe it's not much since he's also voluntarily chosen to work (multiple times) with Orci & Kurtzman. But then again, his influence on those two has also been a primarily positive one, considering what kind of work they turn in when Abrams is not steering their ship.
But it seems to me like people seem to have a positive experience working with Terrio, and Terrio apparently has a lot of good ideas. Question is whether they get worked through properly and then executed well. BvS (and we'll see what's up with Justice League once Whedon is through with it) is an example of Terrio collaborating with a guy not known for his storytelling skills, and even with Affleck's help, that lack of storytelling ability still shows.
Abrams, for all the complaints (some deserved, some not) about his abilities as a director, at least has demonstrated he knows the language of film and knows how to elicit emotions and have them mean something.
I'm not quite optimistic yet. Certainly not in the same way I was when I found out Rian Johnson was writing and directing (talk about the balance between safe and risky, btw), but I think Terrio's presence isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Now granted, maybe it's not much since he's also voluntarily chosen to work (multiple times) with Orci & Kurtzman. But then again, his influence on those two has also been a primarily positive one, considering what kind of work they turn in when Abrams is not steering their ship.
But it seems to me like people seem to have a positive experience working with Terrio, and Terrio apparently has a lot of good ideas. Question is whether they get worked through properly and then executed well. BvS (and we'll see what's up with Justice League once Whedon is through with it) is an example of Terrio collaborating with a guy not known for his storytelling skills, and even with Affleck's help, that lack of storytelling ability still shows.
Abrams, for all the complaints (some deserved, some not) about his abilities as a director, at least has demonstrated he knows the language of film and knows how to elicit emotions and have them mean something.
I'm not quite optimistic yet. Certainly not in the same way I was when I found out Rian Johnson was writing and directing (talk about the balance between safe and risky, btw), but I think Terrio's presence isn't necessarily a bad thing.
This is the same boat I'm in. I really don't care for JJ's style. But everything else about him seems pretty great. He's knowledgeable, skilled, humble, self-aware. He listens
So maybe he'll use the time he's got now to write a good SW finale.
I'm trying to stay optimistic
But, Bobby, what if they don't give Rey a double-bladed lightsaber fashioned out of her staff?
Herr Schwarz
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I wanna see a wachowski star wars film. Bet they could do it great!
And that district 9 guy too . both got good sci fi chops that are different.
That'd be risky!
And that district 9 guy too . both got good sci fi chops that are different.
That'd be risky!
Bobby Roberts
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I can see that maybe happening in 9? Depending on how she's taught (or not taught) in 8? And if there's a timeskip between 8 and 9 (which I kinda feel like a lot of us aren't even expecting anymore).
But I also think it's worth keeping in mind a lot of stuff we take for granted regarding Star Wars "rules" might get chucked out the window considering "That's not how the Force works" wasn't just a great line, but kind of a mission statement for Lucasfilm in general - they've been hitting that note in Rebels as well as in TFA, and it looks like Rian Johnson's concept of The Force in The Last Jedi is also going to skew away from the powerlevels/RPG-stats shit we're kinda used to.
So I think it's somewhat possible that we might get a climax where Rey vs Ren maybe doesn't even have LIGHTSABERS in it. I can't imagine they'd ever get rid of what's probably the most iconic weapon in the history of film, but it's definitely an option for at least one movie.
But I also think it's worth keeping in mind a lot of stuff we take for granted regarding Star Wars "rules" might get chucked out the window considering "That's not how the Force works" wasn't just a great line, but kind of a mission statement for Lucasfilm in general - they've been hitting that note in Rebels as well as in TFA, and it looks like Rian Johnson's concept of The Force in The Last Jedi is also going to skew away from the powerlevels/RPG-stats shit we're kinda used to.
So I think it's somewhat possible that we might get a climax where Rey vs Ren maybe doesn't even have LIGHTSABERS in it. I can't imagine they'd ever get rid of what's probably the most iconic weapon in the history of film, but it's definitely an option for at least one movie.
I don't know if this is even possible
But after watching GoT.. whoever mainly handles that shit needs to eventually do a SW movie. They're constantly filming, directing and editing feature length episodes (often close to 2 hours). And they've got a LOT more to worry about than a handful of characters and settings.
Every time I watch that show I'm thinking "these fuckers need to do SW"
Now now
Let's not get carried away
But I totally agree about force comments. I hope we're returning to a more mystical/mythological/spiritual approach to how it's viewed/manipulated.
I think the wiki pagers will be sorely disappointed in the next two films
But after watching GoT.. whoever mainly handles that shit needs to eventually do a SW movie. They're constantly filming, directing and editing feature length episodes (often close to 2 hours). And they've got a LOT more to worry about than a handful of characters and settings.
Every time I watch that show I'm thinking "these fuckers need to do SW"
Now now
Let's not get carried away
But I totally agree about force comments. I hope we're returning to a more mystical/mythological/spiritual approach to how it's viewed/manipulated.
I think the wiki pagers will be sorely disappointed in the next two films
Like a reverse AotC finale then?
I'm absolutely down with a restructuring of how The Force operates in SW, particularly if it means a dialing back of the power-level shenanigans.
The quality dipped once they ran out of book material.
Yes, Bobby, but Rey with a double-bladed lightsaber is too cool to pass up. We don't have any assurances they'll have it. We gotta have it.
Lifejumper
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For everyone complaining: yall forgetting treverrow was directing IX two weeks ago.
I'm still waiting for someone to run with the trippy Force vision light/shadow battle that Luke and Vader had in the Brackett ESB draft.
The only saving grace I see in this scenario is that Kennedy would probably be a lot more scrutinizing in the original work they did than HBO is if they were given the chance to do Star Wars.
That said, they've got the spinoffs and that dumb Confederacy show, so they're probably off the table anyway.
Chained Prometheus
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Honestly, Abrams was never my first pick for Episode IX, but he's no slouch. The man delivered with The Force Awakens and has shown that he's receptive to critical feedback and makes an active effort to improve on his craft.
Are there more interesting picks we could have gotten for the film? Hypothetically speaking, sure there were. Realistically speaking though, the only chance we had with that for this particular film would have been if Rian Johnson had agreed to come back for IX. Given the circumstances, he understandably declined this time around.
At the end of the day, no matter what other people think of JJ Abrams or The Force Awakens, there's nothing that can convince me that this isn't a trade-up. Colin Trevorrow was very clearly out of his league for this film and just seemed to scream "Trouble" to me.
Boring as Abrams might seem, he's still a huge trade up from the likes of Trevorrow. At the very least, we can now say that Episode IX is in good hands. He'll deliver a good conclusion to this trilogy.
Are there more interesting picks we could have gotten for the film? Hypothetically speaking, sure there were. Realistically speaking though, the only chance we had with that for this particular film would have been if Rian Johnson had agreed to come back for IX. Given the circumstances, he understandably declined this time around.
At the end of the day, no matter what other people think of JJ Abrams or The Force Awakens, there's nothing that can convince me that this isn't a trade-up. Colin Trevorrow was very clearly out of his league for this film and just seemed to scream "Trouble" to me.
Boring as Abrams might seem, he's still a huge trade up from the likes of Trevorrow. At the very least, we can now say that Episode IX is in good hands. He'll deliver a good conclusion to this trilogy.
Giving Neil Blomkamp a Star Wars movie at this point in his career would definitely be a risk.
I mean, yeah, this is a good thing to point out. Although I think it's a little fair to talk about TFA in the context of TFA's director taking up Episode 9
To the studio when it fails, yeah.
Sharlto Copley would make a lovely protocol droid, though.
I think there's talking about it in the context of Abrams coming back and whether or not he'll have learned from the mistakes he did indeed make, versus the thread just being TFA on trial again with the same people trotting out the same tired criticisms and the rest of us saying the same correct defenses.
Inferno313
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Would certainly be one way to inject some of Herr Schwarz's much-needed "ham"
Well they got written into a corner. That's not really their fault. Plus I think it's been fantastic, considering
Every time I see character moments I think of SW
WhiteRabbitEXE
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This thread lost the plot before it was made.
So did Treverrow.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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It's kinda funny how the newest Spielberg protégée got shit-canned by one of his first protégées in favor of yet another Spielberg protégée.
Now we just need Robert Zemeckis directing reshoots or something.
Now we just need Robert Zemeckis directing reshoots or something.
Robdraggoo
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Perhaps they can hire tobe hooper and jyst have Spielberg shadow direct
Didn't he just die?
WhiteRabbitEXE
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Hey, gotta try something risky right? What's riskier than Weekend at Bernie's behind the camera?
Just having a conversation. Not writing a fucking thesis. Could not care less if the link was piggybacked off Pepboy
I'm still so conflicted about Argo. Just looking at it as a movie instead of something based on an actual event (there are a couple of things where historical inaccuracies are troubling to say the least, but that's a whole other can of worms), it's still a very unbalanced movie to my eyes. I know it got rave reviews and all, and it's definitely not bad, but I do think some of the issues that would later increase tenfold in BVS are already noticeable there - notably some very flat characters and some weird pacing here and there. Hard to tell what parts to blame on the director and what parts on the writers, of course.
Like I said, it's really not bad, but definitely more flawed than the initial reception suggested, I think. And I think the strenghts of the movie mainly come down to the direction rather than the writing.
I haven't seen it since release though, so maybe I'm talking out of my ass. I usually am.
Edit: I'm not too worried about him writing 9 though. A football team of writers will have worked on it before the end.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
What does that even have to do with anything tho.
Who said you had to write a thesis.
(while simultaneously praising a thesis)
(while simultaneously shitting on said praised thesis by positively comparing it to whatever Pepboy is doing)
Nah, it'll just be him and Terrio. Guarantee he's starting from square one and moving from there.
Weekend at Bernie's II behind the camera.
He linked to criticism of the movie that I felt had value. Nothing more to it really
Herr Schwarz
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I'd like to see an alien jedi main character.
I'd also like to see cyborg jedi explored a bit more. Not the slow darth vader type but more along the lines of a general grievous type doing his gajillion rpm light sabre technique that shit was great. Something a bit more agile.
I'd also like to see cyborg jedi explored a bit more. Not the slow darth vader type but more along the lines of a general grievous type doing his gajillion rpm light sabre technique that shit was great. Something a bit more agile.
When you think about it, Attack of the Clones truly is the Dark Souls of the franchise.guys I've found the perfect gif for contemporary star wars threads on gaf
Bobby Roberts
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"Look at that swing. And you expect me to believe she could take out a fully trained super-powerful user of the dark side with that technique? He trained under Luke Skywalker! And he's supposed to get beaten with that lazy check-swing? Such a flawed character, but nobody wants to hear it because little girls like it. It's bullshit."
"How can she beat someone who's so adept in the Force and trained by Luke Skywalker that he was able to somersault around her?"
WhiteRabbitEXE
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I feel like there's some extra levels to this gif.guys I've found the perfect gif for contemporary star wars threads on gaf
"Now, let me tell you why it is okay a still relatively untrained Luke is suddenly able to defeat the most powerful force user to ever live who has had decades of training both in the ways of the force and Jedi and almost as much time in killing Jedi. You see, it is because he has a...why are you looking at me that weird. I am only just asking questions that I got from reddit. I demand a proper debate."
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
guys I've found the perfect gif for contemporary star wars threads on gaf
If Count Dooku vs. Yoda was live-action
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