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Ridley Scott confirms Prometheus 2 is his next film

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DECK'ARD

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I said that Alien is one of the more overrated movies out there. Because despite it being an old fashioned monster movie that was made using superior art and techniques it doesn't really have that much significance above that or enough depth to hold up to scrutiny. If you accept that it's just a simple monster/slasher and that any message or plot is mostly irrelevant as long as it isn't confusing, and that's what you want, then I don't have a problem.

Yep, let's just ignore the psychology of the film with the themes it touched on and why it resonated so strongly with people. Because that's not a key component of what makes an effective horror film.

Nothing clever about Alien at all! There were countless films that drew comparisons between parasitic life-cycles, human pregnancy and rape, and I don't know why we're even still talking about it 36 years later.
 
Yep, let's just ignore the psychology of the film with the themes it touched on and why it resonated so strongly with with people. Because that's not a key component of what makes an effective horror film.

Nothing clever about Alien at all! There were countless films that drew comparisons between parasitic life-cycles, human pregnancy and rape, and I don't know why we're even still talking about it 36 years later.

Sexual violence is a basic element of slasher movies but the most interesting and iconic thing about the movie is the creature design. I'd say the design of the Alien is a key reason why people remember this movie and talk about it. I guess that many more people remember Jurrasic Park compared to Westworld because of CGI dinosaurs.
 
Sexual violence is a basic element of slasher movies but the most interesting and iconic thing about the movie is the creature design. I'd say the design of the Alien is a key reason why people remember this movie and talk about it. I guess that many more people remember Jurrasic Park compared to Westworld because of CGI dinosaurs.

Your don't find that killing off the important white males first and having the last 3 people alive being a black man and two women interesting?
 

DECK'ARD

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Sexual violence is a basic element of slasher movies but the most interesting and iconic thing about the movie is the creature design. I'd say the design of the Alien is a key reason why people remember this movie and talk about it. I guess that many more people remember Jurrasic Park compared to Westworld because of CGI dinosaurs.

You mean the creature design born directly out of the themes in play?

As the post before mine explained in depth to you the film is executed perfectly, from what it tries to do to how it chooses to do it.
 
You mean the creature design born directly out of the themes in play?

As the post before mine explained in depth to you the film is executed perfectly, from what it tries to do to how it chooses to do it.

But you don't disagree that the movie is remembered more than others because of the Alien design and not because the movie is about sexual violence and people dying?
 
Awesome! Prometheus is probably my favorite movie, so yeah. I want to see this story continue.

I just worry he'll fuck it up. Shaw + David and nothing else god damnit!
 
Prometheus was great. The internet backlash against it was ridiculous. People were expecting James Cameron, they got Ridley Scott.

It's a great companion piece to Alien and Blade Runner.

this is absurd. neither alien nor blade runner — nor, for that matter, fucking avatar — have writing anywhere near as asinine as what makes up the majority of prometheus' plot.

i thought the movie was visually cool and had some great set pieces, but take a step back and it was a total mess. it doesn't deserve to occupy space in the same sentence as alien or blade runner.
 

DECK'ARD

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But you don't disagree that the movie is remembered more than others because of the Alien design and not because the movie is about sexual violence and people dying?

"If I changed this part of something that worked really well to something that didn't work really well would it still have worked well?"

What are you even doing.
 

Robot Pants

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Awesome! Prometheus is probably my favorite movie, so yeah. I want to see this story continue.

I just worry he'll fuck it up. Shaw + David and nothing else god damnit!
I just..... FAVORITE movie? How can anyone have this as their favorite movie. I simply don't get it. Were you distracted while watching it?That must be it. You weren't paying attention.
Ok whew. That was close
 

enigmatic_alex44

Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
I just..... FAVORITE movie? How can anyone have this as their favorite movie. I simply don't get it. Were you distracted while watching it?That must be it. You weren't paying attention.
Ok whew. That was close

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Prometheus is a pretty good film, it's not the turd GAF likes to make people think it is. It's not as good as Alien or Aliens, but far better than Alien 3 and Resurrection.

If it's his favorite film let him have that. It's not like he said Pixels.
 
I just..... FAVORITE movie? How can anyone have this as their favorite movie. I simply don't get it. Were you distracted while watching it?That must be it. You weren't paying attention.
Ok whew. That was close

Maybe they just like something you don't. I see a lot of threads for awful looking Vita games that I can't imagine anyone wanting to play, but I believe those posters when they say it is their favorite. Or people who are super into really awful sounding thrashy metal stuff. I believe that they enjoy those things even though I think they suck.
 
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Prometheus is a pretty good film, it's not the turd GAF likes to make people think it is. It's not as good as Alien or Aliens, but far better than Alien 3 and Resurrection.

If it's his favorite film let him have that. It's not like he said Pixels.
It kind of is a turd, and it's okay to like the occasional turd. To behold said turd as your favourite movie in the world that has ever been made is kind of crazy.

Unless the only two films he has ever seen are Prometheus and Pixels.
 
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Prometheus is a pretty good film, it's not the turd GAF likes to make people think it is. It's not as good as Alien or Aliens, but far better than Alien 3 and Resurrection.

If it's his favorite film let him have that. It's not like he said Pixels.
What criteria are you using when you say it's not a turd? The imagery is stunning, but it's really poorly thought out -- embarrassingly so.

Alien 3 is a film. There are emotions, there's a story arc, there are characters who relate to each other in a sensical way. Prometheus is almost completely devoid of any of this.
 

Robot Pants

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Prometheus is a pretty good film, it's not the turd GAF likes to make people think it is. It's not as good as Alien or Aliens, but far better than Alien 3 and Resurrection.

If it's his favorite film let him have that. It's not like he said Pixels.

Maybe they just like something you don't. I see a lot of threads for awful looking Vita games that I can't imagine anyone wanting to play, but I believe those posters when they say it is their favorite. Or people who are super into really awful sounding thrashy metal stuff. I believe that they enjoy those things even though I think they suck.
No I mean obviously opinions and all that. I get it and im not 100% serious when I say how can anyone have this as their favorite movie.
But it's just sooooo bad. It's quite shocking because it's not bad in a "oh this isn't my thing" type of way or "so bad it's good" type of way, it's just so fucking AWFUL aside from visuals.
Like resurrection. It's bad, but I have a soft spot for it for a couple of reasons, one being the New Born, but obviously it's a bad movie.

Prometheus however, it's just got nothing
 
No I mean obviously opinions and all that. I get it and im not 100% serious when I say how can anyone have this as their favorite movie.
But it's just sooooo bad. It's quite shocking because it's not bad in a "oh this isn't my thing" type of way or "so bad it's good" type of way, it's just so fucking AWFUL aside from visuals

If Prometheus is truly so awful and one of the worst movies people have seen, I imagine those people don't ever watch legit b-movies or garbage made for tv movies. Even if you just see movies at the theater, Prometheus wasn't even the worst movie the year it came out.
 

DECK'ARD

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If Prometheus is truly so awful and one of the worst movies people have seen, I imagine those people don't ever watch legit b-movies or garbage made for tv movies. Even if you just see movies at the theater, Prometheus wasn't even the worst movie the year it came out.

I'm struggling to think of a more disappointing one. I loved the aesthetics, unlike the Star Wars prequels, but that just made it even more disappointing!
 

W.S.

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I honestly wonder what a prequel to Alien should have set out to evoke to begin with..
I think everyone was expecting something deeper than just recreating the feelings of the original film.
Prometheus was on the right track as far as pre-Alien territory goes. Alongside the aliens (which are old hat by now) the engineers and their biotech are the most interesting and uncanny aspects of the lore.

It remains to be seen how much Ridley can actually make it all come together with the sequel though, hopefully he and the scriptwriters can see this.
 
I'm struggling to think of a more disappointing one. I loved the aesthetics, unlike the Star Wars prequels, but that just made it even more disappointing!

Disappointing and truly awful aren't really the same thing, though. "It wasn't what I wanted so it is terrible" is a bad line of thinking that pops up all the time online. People get themselves so hyped up on their own fanfiction that it ruins the product for them.
 

DECK'ARD

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Disappointing and truly awful aren't really the same thing, though. "It wasn't what I wanted so it is terrible" is a bad line of thinking that pops up all the time online. People get themselves so hyped up on their own fanfiction that it ruins the product for them.

Prometheus was quite capable of ruining the product by itself.

I've already explained why I think it's terrible, it being terrible is why it disappointed. Especially coming after that trailer which seemed to show so much promise at the time.
 

karasu

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Good.Films can be appreciated on multiple levels. I don't care how stupid the characters were. The visuals/atmosphere were amazing.
 
I just..... FAVORITE movie? How can anyone have this as their favorite movie. I simply don't get it. Were you distracted while watching it?That must be it. You weren't paying attention.
Ok whew. That was close
/shrug. I fell in love with the puzzle behind it. For every question the movie brings up, I feel like there's an answer somewhere for it, you just gotta look. I've spent way too many hours just thinking/talking about this movie, and no other film has really gotten me to do that.

I mean, there's more to it than that, but it's the puzzle element that got me really invested in this one. I guess I took Lindeloff's bait in that regard, since I hear this is his norm. But oh well. I'm not complaining since I do love the movie.

Plus, holy shit it's gorgeous to look at.
 

W.S.

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/shrug. I fell in love with the puzzle behind it. For every question the movie brings up, I feel like there's an answer somewhere for it, you just gotta look. I've spent way too many hours just thinking/talking about this movie, and no other film has really gotten me to do that.

I mean, there's more to it than that, but it's the puzzle element that got me really invested in this one. I guess I took Lindeloff's bait in that regard, since I hear this is his norm. But oh well. I'm not complaining since I do love the movie.

Plus, holy shit it's gorgeous to look at.

It's the same thing for me as well.

I can look past the dumb characters and the flaws, it's the lore and questions that it sets up that make it all the more interesting. David is also a really interesting character because while he follows a certain path of programming you never quite know what to expect from him.

His relationship to Vickers and Weyland showed an interesting dynamic there as well with Vickers having a Cain complex and David a possibly harboring a desire to have Weyland dead.
 
Good.Films can be appreciated on multiple levels. I don't care how stupid the characters were. The visuals/atmosphere were amazing.

Good films shouldn't be utterly destroyed on multiple levels either. I don't think that anyone is going to argue Prometheus doesn't have great production design (though the make up leaves a bit to be desired at times), but the movie sinks because there isn't a single thing worthwhile holding the picture together.
 

BumRush

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Yeah this is pretty awesome.
 

Dead Man

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Alien is one of the more overrated films in history. The visual design was very good and the chest bursting scene is iconic but apart from that it is relatively flat and lacking content that raises it above an old fashioned monster b movie. Ooh you can't trust corporations to look after their employees the edge so sharp.

Nothing is as edgy as hating on popular things. Keep going strong, you'll be an edgemaster soon.
 
Alien is one of the more overrated films in history. The visual design was very good and the chest bursting scene is iconic but apart from that it is relatively flat and lacking content that raises it above an old fashioned monster b movie. Ooh you can't trust corporations to look after their employees the edge so sharp.
You're not "wrong" wrong, even if you're wrong. It's probably a bit overrated, the way many trailblazers are, like Monty Python's Flying Circus, for example. The problem is that Alien was so original and subsequently influential that it seems retroactively clichéd. And I'm not talking about the plot, but its singular approach to monster horror, especially within the sci-fi genre. To truly appreciate its greatness, you need the historical context of when it was made (even though it's still a great movie today).

It's the same thing with Watchmen, the graphic novel. It's easy to say "ok, yeah, it's a comic book with social commentary and satire. I've read others like that." Yeah, but you've read them because Watchmen brought that possibility to the mainstream. Watchmen is still a great work, but it doesn't hold the same impact as when it first came out and dissected the tropes of superhero comics.
 

Branduil

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Alien is one of the more overrated films in history. The visual design was very good and the chest bursting scene is iconic but apart from that it is relatively flat and lacking content that raises it above an old fashioned monster b movie. Ooh you can't trust corporations to look after their employees the edge so sharp.

This, friends, is an example of a wrong opinion.
 

D.Lo

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Prometheus is actually worse than AVP2.

AVP2 is obviously a trashy, unambitious painfully tropey limp slasher flick.

But it unbelievably has better character motivations, basic structure, and plot.
 

efyu_lemonardo

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As long as we're discussing the Alien franchise in general, there's an idea that's been in my mind for a few years that I'd be interested to hear feedback about. Originally when I heard there were talks about a prequel my thoughts automatically went to the place that fascinated me most about the franchise, which was the xenomorph life cycle, its biology and behavior. I loved how each new film in the franchise built on the information established in the previous ones and added to it, gradually filling in the holes and revealing new details about these complex organisms and how they interact with each other and with their environment. This lead me to spend some time wondering if there was room for an additional major contribution in this area or if all the big holes had already been filled. Here's what I was able to come up with:

We're all familiar with the concept of a hybrid animal from life on earth: cross a horse and a donkey to get a mule, or a lion and tiger to get a liger, etc. We're also familiar with the fact that it's common for such hybrids (if they can even be created as embryos in the first place) to be born with certain undesirable traits that make it difficult or impossible for them to reproduce.

With that in mind, it seems that we can think of the classic alien (i.e. non queen variety) as such a hybrid without contradicting anything already established in the main films (and possibly the spinoffs too, I haven't seen them all). The classic alien has so far been portrayed in the films as something akin to a sexually immature worker ant, which we can think of as a xenomorph lacking the ability to reproduce because of some genetic mutation. Its also been portrayed as an organism with traits that are borrowed from both its parent species, which is exactly what you'd expect from a hybrid.

The reason this is interesting is that opens up a huge new creative area! If the aliens we've seen so far represent such hybrids, then besides the queen we haven't actually seen any other "pure" aliens. And assuming the queen from the second film represents a sexually mature xenomorph of one gender, what does a mature xenomorph of another gender look like? I say "another" because we could imagine more than two genders! And they have to be sufficiently different from one another in order to be consistent with what we already know about the queen's side of the reproductive cycle. In other words we could imagine a xenomorph that has special organs that bond to the face huggers and, adding its own genetic cargo, houses the resulting embryo within a womb, for example, eventually giving birth. Or we could imagine something different from a mammalian womb such as an egg, or a pouch or something far wilder and more outlandish. We could also imagine that creatures of this sex look very very different from a queen alien, so much that they may not even appear to be members of the same species on first inspection. For example maybe one would want to design them as something beautiful and benevolent, with alien qualities on the completely opposite side of the spectrum as the classic xenomorph, or maybe not.

The point is this would open up a huge number of interesting possibilities, and as I'm not a writer I can only hope that such possibilities would also extend themselves to new and interesting stories. Not necessarily stories that are a prequel to Alien, though they could be. The question is: are these stories that fans of the franchise would be interested in hearing? What do you guys think?
 

Razorback

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As long as we're discussing the Alien franchise in general, there's an idea that's been in my mind for a few years that I'd be interested to hear feedback about.

I don't think the xenomorph life cycle is even possible to exist in a natural environment by simple evolution. But everything indicates that they are engineered, so I'm not sure that all those other variants you speculate are necessary in that case.
 

efyu_lemonardo

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I don't think the xenomorph life cycle is even possible to exist in a natural environment by simple evolution. But everything indicates that they are engineered, so I'm not sure that all those other variants you speculate are necessary in that case.
I'm not sure the xenomorph life cycle could exist even if it was engineered. The fact that both a human and a dog could house such a creature and affect its development is incredible enough already, and fans have embraced that with open arms ;)
 

W.S.

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Prometheus is actually worse than AVP2.

AVP2 is obviously a trashy, unambitious painfully tropey limp slasher flick.

But it unbelievably has better character motivations, basic structure, and plot.
I wouldn't go that far.
 
Don't think I've ever seen a poster dislike something so much, yet actively participate in EVERY THREAD MADE about the subject as much as DECK'ARD does with Prometheus.

It's kind of obsessive.
 

DECK'ARD

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Don't think I've ever seen a poster dislike something so much, yet actively participate in EVERY THREAD MADE about the subject as much as DECK'ARD does with Prometheus.

It's kind of obsessive.

I already said I've found the discussion around the film, and why it ended up the way it did, more interesting than the film itself. It's a beautiful disaster, they tend to linger in the mind.

Is that ok with you, or have you anything specific to what I've said that you'd like to take issue with?

You sound more emotional about it than me to be honest.
 
I already said I've found the discussion around the film, and why it ended up the way it did, more interesting than the film itself. It's a beautiful disaster, they tend to linger in the mind.

Is that ok with you, or have you anything specific to what I've said that you'd like to take issue with?

You sound more emotional about it than me to be honest.

People often times confuse articulated criticism with a personal attack if it's about something they like. They tend to forget that this is a discussion board and not an echo chamber.
 

efyu_lemonardo

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It's a beautiful disaster, they tend to linger in the mind.

This is very true. These kinds of failures tend be very interesting to dissect and analyze. Possibly it's easier to learn something about the medium from them than from films that are close to perfect, I don't know..

Also, any thoughts on my idea?
 
Also, any thoughts on my idea?

I know you're not asking me, but I'll offer my opinion on the matter.

I certainly get the appeal for wanting to learn more about the alien, considering how tantalizing a mystery they are. But I am of the opinion that the more gaps we are filled in about them, the less powerful they become. A large part of why they are so horrifying is because we hardly understand them; they are truly 'Alien' to us. The more we know about them, the more familiar they are too us, and familiarity is never as powerful as the unknown. That's also why I was against Prometheus being a prequel in the first place, as I think all those things about the engineers were better off unexplained.
 

efyu_lemonardo

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I know you're not asking me, but I'll offer my opinion on the matter.

I certainly get the appeal for wanting to learn more about the alien, considering how tantalizing a mystery they are. But I am of the opinion that the more gaps we are filled in about them, the less powerful they become. A large part of why they are so horrifying is because we hardly understand them; they are truly 'Alien' to us. The more we know about them, the more familiar they are too us, and familiarity is never as powerful as the unknown. That's also why I was against Prometheus being a prequel in the first place, as I think all those things about the engineers were better off unexplained.

In the original post I was asking everyone; Any and all feedback is certainly appreciated!
On a thematic level you're right that there is a well established psychological connection between fear and the unknown, so I can definitely understand where you're coming from. Maybe these are just my own personal feelings, but learning about the queen in Aliens was a really powerful moment for me as a kid. It cemented the series in my eyes as more than just a bunch of monster movies. The fact that these creatures could be so foreign, scary and disgusting was somehow made more profound to me as a person the more plausible and similar to nature in their bizarreness they were revealed to be. Nature as we know it is actually pretty complex and at times highly messed up, and that added a layer of believability for me that enhanced the horror rather than diminish it.
 

DECK'ARD

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This is very true. These kinds of failures tend be very interesting to dissect and analyze. Possibly it's easier to learn something about the medium from them than from films that are close to perfect, I don't know..

Also, any thoughts on my idea?

The life-cycle of the xenomorphs is one of the things I found most interesting (and compelling) about Alien. Unlike others I always saw it as like an insect from the first film, from the exoskeleton to its life-cycle of egg to adult. Which wasn't to say it was stupid, but that it was cruel because nature is cruel.

The parasitic life-cycle is genius, like a wasp laying its egg in a caterpillar, which is then helpless while it hatches and feeds inside before eating its way out and killing it. That's PURE horror, and it's real. Now what if that world and life-cycle collided with our own instead of us being able to ignore it because we can't see it?

What Alien added to the life-cycle was it stole the DNA from the host to look like it, to tie it in with the human themes of rape and pregnancy. The xenomorph then becomes the personification of the act. You literally give birth to the horror.

With other species I'm more a fan of leave it to the imagination, because with us being removed from the equation it's working on a different level which is much harder to pull-off. Rather than provoking horror, you risk getting look at this funny variation. I wasn't a fan of it in Alien 3 really.

But the whole biology aspect is very key to Alien, and I think Prometheus really dropped the ball by boiling it all down to this magic black goo that just turns everything evil and so doesn't need to make any sense. Ugh.

They didn't need to be bioengineered to be evil, in fact that devalues them. I preferred really old speculation about the Space Jockeys that they were space biologists who explored and documented different species. Then they tried to use another species to wage their war, and that was their downfall. Rather than the trying to play God angle we've now gone down.
 
In the original post I was asking everyone; Any and all feedback is certainly appreciated!
On a thematic level you're right that there is a well established psychological connection between fear and the unknown, so I can definitely understand where you're coming from. Maybe these are just my own personal feelings, but learning about the queen in Aliens was a really powerful moment for me as a kid. It cemented the series in my eyes as more than just a bunch of monster movies. The fact that these creatures could be so foreign, scary and disgusting was somehow made more profound to me as a person the more plausible and similar to nature in their bizarreness they were revealed to be. Nature as we know it is actually pretty complex and at times highly messed up, and that added a layer of believability for me that enhanced the horror rather than diminish it.

That's interesting. I love the Alien Queen for the movie Aliens because it fit the films themes, structure, and tone, but I found it to greatly diminish my fear of the aliens because it made them much more explicitly insectoid and natural. I loved the life-cycle shown in the Alien director's cut where the alien turns humans into the eggs. That was thoroughly disturbing not only because it fit the body/sexual terror of the creature, but again it was a completely alien mechanism of reproduction for the creature. Most movie aliens don't feel all that alien, but the xeno in Alien absolutely nailed that, of something that we will never find on earth.
 

efyu_lemonardo

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That's interesting. I love the Alien Queen for the movie Aliens because it fit the films themes, structure, and tone, but I found it to greatly diminish my fear of the aliens because it made them much more explicitly insectoid and natural. I loved the life-cycle shown in the Alien director's cut where the alien turns humans into the eggs. That was thoroughly disturbing not only because it fit the body/sexual terror of the creature, but again it was a completely alien mechanism of reproduction for the creature. Most movie aliens don't feel all that alien, but the xeno in Alien absolutely nailed that, of something that we will never find on earth.
There's still a lot about the queen that is quite alien when you think of it in terms of the mechanism. Because although we call her the queen, what she lays are in fact sperm ;)
 
I've always like the idea that when a Xeno is away from the influence of a queen, it acts the way it was shown in the Alien DC ie turning prey into eggs, with perhaps a new queen coming from one of the resulting huggers. Maybe this what happened to the terraformers on LV246.
 
There's still a lot about the queen that is quite alien when you think of it in terms of the mechanism. Because although we call her the queen, what she lays are in fact sperm ;)

That's true, I never thought about it like that!

However, I think that the 'caste' system does take away from the Alien's terror as "the perfect organism" when it is not in fact an utterly self-sufficient organism but another drone that exists to protect a higher level of the species. If the regular xeno cannot make eggs, than it is no longer the perfect organism as it can't ensure the continuation of its species.

I've always like the idea that when a Xeno is away from the influence of a queen, it acts the way it was shown in the Alien DC ie turning prey into eggs, with perhaps a new queen coming from one of the resulting huggers. Maybe this what happened to the terraformers on LV246.

This has pretty much been my "head canon" after Aliens, even though the DC of Alien isn't technically part of the series continuity.
 

efyu_lemonardo

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But the whole biology aspect is very key to Alien, and I think Prometheus really dropped the ball by boiling it all down to this magic black goo that just turns everything evil and so doesn't need to make any sense. Ugh.

They didn't need to be bioengineered to be evil, in fact that devalues them. I preferred really old speculation about the Space Jockeys that they were space biologists who explored and documented different species. Then they tried to use another species to wage their war, and that was their downfall. Rather than the trying to play God angle we've now gone down.
Agreed with your entire post but this part in particular is really spot in terms of how I feel about the franchise as a whole. I always loved the idea that the aliens represented something realistic and natural and that evil was just our subjective interpretation of it because it was so different to what we were used to and because as you said it was something we couldn't ignore because it affected us directly. To me the more fucked up yet still plausible we could make these creatures and their life cycle, the stronger a metaphor the conflict with them could be for man's struggle against his own rigid and biased sense of morality and his irrational dislike and fear of anything that doesn't conform to the arbitrary standards he repeatedly tries to apply to nature.
 

efyu_lemonardo

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The life-cycle of the xenomorphs is one of the things I found most interesting (and compelling) about Alien. Unlike others I always saw it as like an insect from the first film, from the exoskeleton to its life-cycle of egg to adult. Which wasn't to say it was stupid, but that it was cruel because nature is cruel.

The parasitic life-cycle is genius, like a wasp laying its egg in a caterpillar, which is then helpless while it hatches and feeds inside before eating its way out and killing it. That's PURE horror, and it's real. Now what if that world and life-cycle collided with our own instead of us being able to ignore it because we can't see it?

What Alien added to the life-cycle was it stole the DNA from the host to look like it, to tie it in with the human themes of rape and pregnancy. The xenomorph then becomes the personification of the act. You literally give birth to the horror.


Adding to my previous post (and the idea that the more fucked up yet plausible the alien life cycle, the better the metaphor ): as such I found it very appealing to have an additional sex that was still completely alien but in ways that made it as majestic and graceful and benevolent as the Xenomorph's weren't, almost a perfect antithesis. And since they would appear so different the initial plot would have human discoverers assume they were just another species falling prey to the Xenomorph's parasitic behavior. The film would go to great lengths to present the process of impregnating these creatures in a manner that is as vile and painful and traumatic looking as possibly imaginable, so as to give the impression that the aliens were ravaging, violating and desecrating this beautiful and rare flower of a creature. Only to eventually discover that this was in fact the "most normal" method of procreation among the xenomorph species, or in other words the horrors witnessed throughout the film were "as nature intended them", which is the same message from the original film.
 
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