VaultBoy101
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It can only go up in quality from the first one, so that's something I guess.
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Ridley Scott confirms Prometheus 2 is his next film
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The movie does feel like stuff happens because of flimsy reasons like that. No internal consistency and very little logical context in the world or with the characters. Terrible scifi.
MORTALIS
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Haha, awesome. Now this is a post I can really get in to.
Monocle
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Forgot about American Gangster. The other two are a nah from me.
Yup, I'm anticipating the sequel
brandonh83
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Thing about Lindelof is that he was brought in to alter the Spaihts draft out of being a direct Alien prequel, and I can't imagine making someone else's story into something entirely different without it being a little messy. People especially here love to hate on the guy but I take circumstance into consideration. If they would've kept it being more simple it'd have likely been more focused, at least that's just what I think. I think Damon is smart and talented, but he's been in very trying situations. Tomorrowland was also a good but misunderstood movie IMO.
Not making excuses for poor writing, but I do think the Prometheus situation was more than a bit sketchy for him. It's like here take this guy's script and turn it into something else but keep many of its elements! I think that's pretty damn hard to do, and I still think the movie turned out okay. I liked the story just thought certain parts were wonky. Hopefully the next script/story is more focused without so many cooks in the kitchen.
Not making excuses for poor writing, but I do think the Prometheus situation was more than a bit sketchy for him. It's like here take this guy's script and turn it into something else but keep many of its elements! I think that's pretty damn hard to do, and I still think the movie turned out okay. I liked the story just thought certain parts were wonky. Hopefully the next script/story is more focused without so many cooks in the kitchen.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Nah. If you actually read both drafts, you'll see that Lindelof really is just a terrible, terrible writer. He writes like a 13 year old kid that's had one too many milkshakes.
True Savior
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a) First script is better. It's a simple rehash of Alien/Aliens , but seemed fun
b) Most of the terrible ideas came from Ridley itself. Lindelof put into words what Ridley wanted.
Yeah after the first one I couldn't care less. I had put my expectations extremely low after I saw that Lindelof was attached to it and the early impressions weren't not particularly positive. It was somehow still much worse than that. Disappointing really, I was hoping for it to be fun at the time.
efyu_lemonardo
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not to mention the whole "alien squid is the antichrist" born to a sterile woman part...
this is the conclusion I've come to from this thread..
I enjoyed A Good Year, don't know how it's considered among others
brisk tacos
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Perhaps his enjoyment of liquor had grown over 30 years. Or at least made him extremely amenable to suggestions to change anything and everything. The doc showed that he started the project with a clear vision, but had stopped caring at all by the time of shooting, letting his vision be changed by anyone and everyone with no resistance or care.
CadetMahoney
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part 1 is very bad.
It's like Terminator Salvation where the trailer is better than the film.
It's like Terminator Salvation where the trailer is better than the film.
So he's the anti George Lucas.
Sumio Mondo
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The first was a hilarious movie. Can't wait for the comedy to continue.
Weyland's feet being washed as well, the film's dripping in it.
efyu_lemonardo
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oh god...
toastyToast
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It'd be good if it isn't shit
efyu_lemonardo
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I like this interpretation, it's the most consistent one I've seen yet. Also goes along with plenty of other nonsensical things seen in the film.
Fits with what I said earlier too:
Also it possibly helps explain one of the most obvious visual gags in the movie: the rubik's cube.
According Scott, it's not an Alien movie.
More thought has been put into the film after its release than before.
A beautiful sportscar driven by an artist hits a wall. Why did this happen? What a waste! Maybe there's something in the wreckage we can find to explain it? Was he distracted by passengers in the car? His brake-lines may have been cut! What if hitting the wall was the artistic statement? I actually like the look of the wreckage, the crumpled bonnet really speaks to me! What if the wall was the limit of our understanding? Maybe the story is about how the car is put back together? Maybe I'm meant to put it back together!
Oh, he was just drunk.
Black Hawk Down & Kingdom Of Heaven DC are both great movies that came after Gladiator.
Bjoern the Smexy
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The first one was an awesome movie, I don't care what the haters say.
I'm hyped for the sequel.
I'm hyped for the sequel.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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The number of people not only defending the first, but saying that it was "awesome" and that they "can't wait for a sequel" is absolutely mind-boggling to me.
I was excited to see it, because when I heard people defending it on the grounds of "It's okay to leave questions unanswered", I thought perhaps it would be an intelligent but ambiguous movie. But the questions were along the lines of, "Why is everybody so stupid and shallow?", "Why does this universe have no internal consistency or logic on almost any level?", and "Why is every element of the movie so cliche or derivative?".
I was excited to see it, because when I heard people defending it on the grounds of "It's okay to leave questions unanswered", I thought perhaps it would be an intelligent but ambiguous movie. But the questions were along the lines of, "Why is everybody so stupid and shallow?", "Why does this universe have no internal consistency or logic on almost any level?", and "Why is every element of the movie so cliche or derivative?".
brisk tacos
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Same strokes same folks, dawg
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Some things are beyond defense, though. This is little different than if Shyamalan somehow got everyone hype for a "The Last Airbender" sequel.
Rentahamster
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Where was that? I don't remember that part.
RustyNails
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Why do studios still want him?
If I may borrow a line from Breaking Bad, "Because he does what I say."
brisk tacos
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I'm sure someone, somewhere would be stoked for an Airbender sequel. I'm still waiting on a sequel to Hudson Hawk, so I get it.
sindbadthesailor
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Prometheus as a concept had a ton of promise but it was just so poorly written that it came off as more absurd than thought provoking.
If Damon "how does he keep getting work" Lindelof is involved in anyway, would be safe bet Prometheus 2 will be just as terrible as the first one.
If Damon "how does he keep getting work" Lindelof is involved in anyway, would be safe bet Prometheus 2 will be just as terrible as the first one.
efyu_lemonardo
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The scene where all the scientists are invited to see a holographic presentation by Weyland. The projection device is a blatantly obvious painted-over Rubik's cube. Lots of people were saying it stood out too much not to be meant for the audience to pick up.
I am sad tho that Giger passed away. I wonder if they still gonna use some of his works for the environment designs.
Anyway, curious but not optimist. Prometheus 1 had such promises and was really good visually, but the characters and the overall plot was so poorly written, and there were just too much inaccuracies for me to suspend my disbelief. It took a nosedive pretty fast and then grinded across the floor for the rest of the movie
Anyway, curious but not optimist. Prometheus 1 had such promises and was really good visually, but the characters and the overall plot was so poorly written, and there were just too much inaccuracies for me to suspend my disbelief. It took a nosedive pretty fast and then grinded across the floor for the rest of the movie
Kingdom of Heaven is his best film since Blade Runner.
brandonh83
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Right which is why I'm not solely blaming Lindelof. I've seen great writing from him on Lost so I know at least personally for me he's not bad. I'm not at all speaking for anyone else.
efyu_lemonardo
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You're making it sound like I'm trying to attribute some deep artistic meaning to the film when in fact all I'm saying is it's easier to interpret it as a big "fuck you" to fans of the franchise. Whether or not that message was intentional is open to interpretation, but either way it's still a pretty fucking stupid message to build a film around.
Also, your sports car analogy reminded me of a similar joke about Christianity. A charismatic and well loved drifter gains a cult following by claiming to be the messiah and son of God, sending a message of love and hope throughout the land, only to be arrested by the authorities, humiliated, defeated and hanged to death like your average nobody.
But wait! Instead of accepting the simple explanation (that the guy was just another lunatic in a long line of lunatics) maybe we can interpret his story differently. Maybe he WAS the son of god and he MEANT to let the Romans humiliate and hang him to death... because... um ...that would bring salvation to future mankind! Yeah! It was a miracle and proof of God's devine love! Certainly not some bum spewing nonsense that was no more than a slight nuisance, forgotten as quickly as he'd appeared.
Just_myles
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Prometheus was awesome. ScifiGAF you're crazy.
Or because he was okay with it. I wouldn't assume those terrible ideas were all his in the first place (especially considering a lot of them felt extremely Lindelof-like).
Oh, wasn't saying that. Just that the discussion around the film and what happened with it has been more interesting than the film itself. With far more thought put into it than was happening with the film itself, as people try to make sense of what is just a beautiful mess. Strip away the production values and you just have a terrible film.
Why it's such a mess is pretty clear, you had a so-so (but coherent) Alien prequel which was already on shaky ground with the Ancient Aliens angle meeting a director who was far more interested in that than its place in the Alien Universe. Expanding those shaky foundations even further just meant it collapsed under its own weight despite Lindelof being brought in to try and glue it together with magic black goo and hint at something bigger so you don't ask why the roof is falling in.
Prometheus had no confidence in the story it was telling because it didn't know what story it was trying to tell anymore. With no coherance to the story there's no coherance in the characters' actions, with the story taking a back-seat it doesn't matter what happens in it, and so on. It just fell apart.
People talking about the mural's significance to the story? It was just a homage to Giger, nothing more. People going to great lengths trying to tie it into the Prometheus myth? A Fox executive suggested it was called that just because it sounded cool and marketable. What does the Deacon mean? No one cared because it didn't originally even look like a xenomorph.
The only message to take from Prometheus is that it was a vanity project to get to this Paradise where Ridley could finally explore the things he wanted to. It just ran over Alien to get there.
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