DeepEnigma
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Xbox Series X rewrites the rules of console design - and the power level should be extraordinary
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Mista
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How to charge when running low?
Sygma
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Dont worry they'll fight off God of War 2 with Cr4ckdown
No but seriously I'm right there with you man. Its time for Mechassault, Ninja Gaiden since Itagaki is back, Mercenaries next gen and while we're fucking at it a new Splinter Cell only for microsoft
oh and fable
and we'll go full circle as always since the first xbox
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Jigsaah
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Ok if we are really being honest with ourselves here, do we really think Xbox is going to be the only console that rewrites the rules? I'm sure Sony is gonna bring it. In their own way.
PS5 will also be huge, will also pack a ton of power. The only thing I'm not quite sure of is the Variable Rate Shading Xbox has, because of the patents. Sony definitely won't have this. However, how much of a difference will that one feature make? It's gotta be something that the developers take full advantage of. Combine this with the supposed increase in power...I mean, I guess it just boils down to price for the power and the games. I'm hyped for both systems. Senua's Saga is a DAY 1 purchase, along with Halo Infinite. Godfall will be on PC so I'm still waiting to see what PS5 will have exclusively. I'm saving for both. If one loses my interest, that extra money goes to upgrading my PC.
PS5 will also be huge, will also pack a ton of power. The only thing I'm not quite sure of is the Variable Rate Shading Xbox has, because of the patents. Sony definitely won't have this. However, how much of a difference will that one feature make? It's gotta be something that the developers take full advantage of. Combine this with the supposed increase in power...I mean, I guess it just boils down to price for the power and the games. I'm hyped for both systems. Senua's Saga is a DAY 1 purchase, along with Halo Infinite. Godfall will be on PC so I'm still waiting to see what PS5 will have exclusively. I'm saving for both. If one loses my interest, that extra money goes to upgrading my PC.
JustP_Gaming
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That actually might explain the crazy looking V-shaped dev kits. That will be their cooling solution design for the actual system, hmmmm.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Xbox One OG was also more quiet than PS4 OG. And PS4 was more powerful.
So it looks like it has nothing to do with which system has better specs.
All I can see is a standard box shape like Xbox lead to quieter sounds than PS4's razor's edge design.
ethomaz
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I did not see any PS4 Pro dying for bad cooling...
So what they failed again?
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Elenchus
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I don’t know if any died but I can’t deal with the noise. I just don’t trust Sony’s engineers to pack that much heat in a small case. The job they did on the Pro was too disappointing. If I see a small case I wait for reviews.
thelastword
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Variable rate shading is not an MS thing, it's an AMD thing, an Nvidia thing, an Intel thing...….All of these GPU manufacturers will have it in 2020...….VRS is part of the RDNA 2 featureset…….
https://www.techpowerup.com/262098/ray-tracing-and-variable-rate-shading-design-goals-for-amd-rdna2
Starlight Lotice
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I do hope that MS have a line of differing powered Consoles as showing off the console early could mean that Sony will up their specs in kind within the year.
As for the design.....I am not a fan of it simply because it looks like a Windows PC Tower....which is a minimalist design and doesn't seem very artistic. I know it has its fans of course, and would look great in any Living Room with Art Decor, but I guess I wanted to see MS have some "Fun" with the design. I liked the OG Xbox and 360 looks but thought that the Xbone is pretty bland. (same with the PS4)
As for the design.....I am not a fan of it simply because it looks like a Windows PC Tower....which is a minimalist design and doesn't seem very artistic. I know it has its fans of course, and would look great in any Living Room with Art Decor, but I guess I wanted to see MS have some "Fun" with the design. I liked the OG Xbox and 360 looks but thought that the Xbone is pretty bland. (same with the PS4)
Jigsaah
Gold Member
Ah, I see. I didn't know that. So we just need to wait and see if it's also in the PS5. Duly noted.
Shangounchained
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ps3s disaster wasnt 600$ ps3s disaster was the cpu and memory plus coming late than the 360 its never been about 600$ same with xbox one the disaster was weaker hardware that costed more than the perfect ps4, one more thing i dont believe about lockhart since series x is 2x xbox one x then lockhart would probably be meaningless.
Dory16
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It's only included in AMD's RDNA 2 (second tiers) and the rumour confirmed by Digital Foundry is that MS waited long enough with the production of thir GPU to include that AND introduce their variant of it, the patented version. They clearly think it's a very big deal. The mystery remains if Sony did anything similar but people who browsed all of their patents haven't found anything VRS related.
I enjoyed reading the article, but ultimately did not get much out of it. I finished with the impression of "this machine might knock your socks off with its power, but we really don't know for sure if it will be as powerful as rumored, and if it is that basically means its better than most existing high end tech, so if it is expect it to be expensive unless MS eats a big loss on console sales."
Honestly not trashing the article in my intent. I hope they keep this stuff coming. Just feels like more confirmation that some of the knowledgeable people around here are arguing up the right tree, than actual new info.
Honestly not trashing the article in my intent. I hope they keep this stuff coming. Just feels like more confirmation that some of the knowledgeable people around here are arguing up the right tree, than actual new info.
Gamernyc78
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This.... Sony have just been more cognizant of the expenditures on hardware and cutting certain corners to make good hardware tht doesn't break the bank and reaps most profit. The PS3 did a number on them. This time around expect a great equilibrium between latest tech, form factor, power,price, etc since they've recovered and more from ps4's success. This will be a premium, affordable console, relevant to power and price. Thy will take a loss, just not a huge ps3 one.
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Jigsaah
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So you're saying that even if Sony does have it, it can't be the exact thing Microsoft has going?
Dory16
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It could be if they licensed it from Microsoft. But they could decide it's not that big a deal and just go for the generic version that Nvidia uses (we don't know what exactly MS has customised about it). Or they could also not have it at all, that's how it looks at the moment.
CameFromNearFuture
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Now that my sources allowed to reveal real infos, now I can definetly reveal, once and for all, that the Xbox Series X is the fastest (cpu clock) and most powerfull (gpu 12TF+ RDNA) console...
... they (MS) have ever built!!!
... they (MS) have ever built!!!
Monkeygourmet
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I think Sony has this in the bag.
They not only had more quality exclusives but also managed to eat MS’s lunch by moneyhatting so many third party exclusive stuff like COD and Destiny.
I would expect this to be an absolute white wash next gen as MS is playing catch up and Sony have been holding back a ton of stuff for next gen simply because they don’t need to show their hand yet.
MS cancelled sooooo many titles this gen yet released garbage like ‘Recore’ which died and will simply not get a second chance.
Sony built new IP’s which will continue into next gen.
It’s a wrap.
They not only had more quality exclusives but also managed to eat MS’s lunch by moneyhatting so many third party exclusive stuff like COD and Destiny.
I would expect this to be an absolute white wash next gen as MS is playing catch up and Sony have been holding back a ton of stuff for next gen simply because they don’t need to show their hand yet.
MS cancelled sooooo many titles this gen yet released garbage like ‘Recore’ which died and will simply not get a second chance.
Sony built new IP’s which will continue into next gen.
It’s a wrap.
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ethomaz
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I was waiting the GIF load for some time...
daveonezero
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console Visual design has been quite boring for a while.
I don’t see how this changes that.
making it bigger helps with thermals so that’s always a good thing.
I don’t see how this changes that.
making it bigger helps with thermals so that’s always a good thing.
Slings and Arrows
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I like Microsoft, but they've been caught fudging specs in the past and on one occasion, out and out lying (Remember Albert Penello on this very forum? I member)
I wouldn't be surprised if Xbox is 12tf and the PS5 is 12Tf, except the xbox is the 'weaker' 12tfs and the PS5 is the more powerful 12tf and we see a repeat of this gen, where Microsoft used obfuscation to send a message to Joe Public that the xbox one and ps4 were the same. "we both have 8gb of ram!"
Fanboy console shit aside, I see the Xbox being better at multi-tasking/streaming and I see the PS5 being better at running games and ultimately aiming for 'more power' so they're prepared for the PSVR2 demands.
Microsoft won't make the same mistakes as this gen and will launch a powerful console. Sony won't make the same mistakes as this gen and will launch a quiet console.
I wouldn't be surprised if Xbox is 12tf and the PS5 is 12Tf, except the xbox is the 'weaker' 12tfs and the PS5 is the more powerful 12tf and we see a repeat of this gen, where Microsoft used obfuscation to send a message to Joe Public that the xbox one and ps4 were the same. "we both have 8gb of ram!"
Fanboy console shit aside, I see the Xbox being better at multi-tasking/streaming and I see the PS5 being better at running games and ultimately aiming for 'more power' so they're prepared for the PSVR2 demands.
Microsoft won't make the same mistakes as this gen and will launch a powerful console. Sony won't make the same mistakes as this gen and will launch a quiet console.
this is almost 10 years ago, they already changed the WHOLE team, even on executive level! even your beloved Albert Penello IS GONE!
there is NO REASON to believe that the same is going to happen again, you see what happened to those, who did this: THEY LEFT MICROSOFT!
Slings and Arrows
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It was six years ago. They changed at an executive level from the peak of the 360 days to the Kinect/One era, they have previous. If you get food poisoning at a restaurant, you vow never to go again. If you see "under new management" a month later, you're still skeptical about trying the restaurant again.
Although, I hope you're right. I get no pleasure from them releasing fake specs, crap games and PR excuses for why they messed up. I do get pleasure from them releasing a powerful console, quality games and genuine community interaction.
FranXico
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Everybody is talking about how Sony learned from their fuck ups with the PS3 13 years ago, but heaven forbid that people remember Microsoft's attitude 6 years ago?talking about fake specs, have we forgotten Sony's claim that the PS3 was a 2 Terraflop system?
that was in their specs reveal.
Right.
Ar¢tos
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?!?
Sony has bunch of patents describing the same as VRS, both for VR and non-VR, they are simply not named VRS (image compression by display, region, variable data compression, etc).
I browsed several of their patents earlier this month about it, this is from the summary of one of them (copied from a post I made at the time) :
01011001
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Dory16
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Good for them, i guess we'll see how it stacks up
CyberPanda
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Journey
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talking about fake specs, have we forgotten Sony's claim that the PS3 was a 2 Terraflop system?
that was in their specs reveal.
I am very confused
It's a goal post thing, you talk about fake specs and he wants to pivot to "Attitude" lol. The 2TF claim was so ridiculous that not even the next gen PS4 could reach as high as that ridiculousness.