THE:MILKMAN
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X1X Cyberpunk limited edition was sold here in the UK at £260.
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Xbox Series S/Lockhart Will Be Half The Price Of The Series X
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X1X Cyberpunk limited edition was sold here in the UK at £260.
Dolomite
Member
Damn! Yeah I could easily see a $250-300 Lockhart and the X1X dropped to almost $Free.99 to get the stragglers on the Xbox eco system
jimbojim
Banned
Looks like that member eastmen from B3D forum is just a fraud. Same thread on ERA, some journalist did some research and found this :
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forum.beyond3d.com
www.resetera.com
www.resetera.com
In short :
According to eastmen's post history, he is very Xbox related. So, surely he is pissed because PS5 gained so much momentum, then he said what he said just to diverts attention from the PS5 and maybe recently Oodle Kraken tweets. LOL
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Microsoft XBOX (XBox One X / Project Scorpio) - Prerelease News and Rumours
That might work for the launch period. You could always drop to $399 in early 2018 when demand softens.These are promium customers anyway, 50 bucks for six months extra of the fastest thing around isn't so bad. Is BOM likely to be more than $150 higher than the X1S though? ~$40 more for Ram...
forum.beyond3d.com
[WCCFTECH-Rumor] Lockhart Will Be Half The Price Of The Series X; Series X prepared to be $400, July Event Will Be A “Night Of Mic Drops”
Seriously. I’m coming back to this thread after the event to see how wrong they were.
www.resetera.com
Xbox Series X|S Backward Compatibility Enhancements Detailed [XSX|S BC]
Key snippet: Ronald also spoke with IGN, and when asked if "thousands" meant that the goal was every single Xbox One game – in addition the hundreds of Xbox 360 and original Xbox games already compatible with Xbox One that will also play on Xbox Series X – Ronald said, "The goal is definitely...
[WCCFTECH-Rumor] Lockhart Will Be Half The Price Of The Series X; Series X prepared to be $400, July Event Will Be A “Night Of Mic Drops”
Have you seen the specs of a standard PS4? And what TLOU2 looks like on it?
www.resetera.com
In short :
According to eastmen's post history, he is very Xbox related. So, surely he is pissed because PS5 gained so much momentum, then he said what he said just to diverts attention from the PS5 and maybe recently Oodle Kraken tweets. LOL
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jimbojim
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Yeah, but it's an old tech and there is no game inside this package, right?
Anyway, in my country X1X is 240£ with FH4 and Lego Speed Champions. CP2077 is also at that price.
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THE:MILKMAN
Member
Yeah, but it's an old tech and there is no game inside this package, right?
Anyway, in my country X1X is 240£ with FH4 and Lego Speed Champions. CP2077 is also at that price.
True but it is a very limited edition console (45000 worldwide?) a top game download when it comes out + its first expansion and 1 month of gamepass ultimate. You currently can barely get a 500GB PS4 slim with a game or two for £260....
ParanoidAndroidz
Member
Awesome can't wait I'll drop 6-700$ Canadian for a ps5, then spend 3hundred if Xbox delivers on some of its exclusives, it will be my side bitch.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Sure the implementation is groundbreaking, that's true but the underlying tech is actually pretty standard and the pure speed is faster right now than any PC SSD but it won't be the case at release in November. Of course even then with 12 channels/6 levels of priority and all the I/O hardware a 7GB/s PC SSD will still be slower in reality.
The good thing here is SSDs for everyone will come down in price with the consoles using them. For 10 years the PC market has been paying a huge premium/mark up but that should now change to some extent.
Nikana
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Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
That makes me think Series X will be $600 and S will be $300 if it's gonna be half the price. It's one hell of a powerful console and that would still let series S undercut sony even in the most optimistic scenario for the digital PS5. Yes MS COULD throw away their money taking PS3 level losses on hardware but they didn't get all this disposable income from being reckless with their money and they won't be looking to flush down a bunch just to win a console sales war
jimbojim
Banned
Well, that's PS4.
Saw it you can buy for £250 with TLOU 2. Cheapest is at Shopto PS4 with TLOU 2 for 220£.
Investor9872
Member
That's because the sweet spot for console launch price is $300. Sony wants the PS5 adoption rate to be "at the scope and scale" that they have never seen before. That can't happen if they launch the PS5 at over $500.
I think that the only way Sony will launch the PS5 at over $500 ($549 -$599) is that the supply is constraint for the first 6-9 months due to the global pandemic and the early yield of the percentage of the custom chip. Sony is not going to repeat what had happened at the PS3 launch if they can help it.
thismeinteil
Member
I think we will see one of two prices for the PS5s. $399 for the Digital version and $449 for the disc version or $449 and $499, respectively. As for Series X, $499 is the cheapest they'll go. Wouldn't be surprised to see them go for $549.
People keep talking about all this money MS has, but the fact is Xbox isn't as important to them as PS is to Sony, so they will be less willing to lose even more money on HW. This gen proved that.
People keep talking about all this money MS has, but the fact is Xbox isn't as important to them as PS is to Sony, so they will be less willing to lose even more money on HW. This gen proved that.
baphomet
Member
Looks like that member eastmen from B3D forum is just a fraud. Same thread on ERA, some journalist did some research and found this :
Microsoft XBOX (XBox One X / Project Scorpio) - Prerelease News and Rumours
That might work for the launch period. You could always drop to $399 in early 2018 when demand softens.These are promium customers anyway, 50 bucks for six months extra of the fastest thing around isn't so bad. Is BOM likely to be more than $150 higher than the X1S though? ~$40 more for Ram...
[WCCFTECH-Rumor] Lockhart Will Be Half The Price Of The Series X; Series X prepared to be $400, July Event Will Be A “Night Of Mic Drops”
Seriously. I’m coming back to this thread after the event to see how wrong they were.
[WCCFTECH-Rumor] Lockhart Will Be Half The Price Of The Series X; Series X prepared to be $400, July Event Will Be A “Night Of Mic Drops”
Have you seen the specs of a standard PS4? And what TLOU2 looks like on it?
In short :
According to eastmen's post history, he is very Xbox related. So, surely he is pissed because PS5 gained so much momentum, then he said what he said just to diverts attention from the PS5 and maybe recently Oodle Kraken tweets. LOL
Yea, the guy is 100% full of shit. Same guy who said Xbox was going to be releasing a AAA game every other month (also complete bullshit.)
01011001
Banned
my current setup is a PS4pro and an Xbox One X connected to the living room TV and a base PS4 and a One S connected to the PC Monitor.
this is great for playing multiplayer games locally even if they don't have splitscreen.
so if the Series S performs as expected it is a damn interesting box just for stuff like that.
Kagero
Member
It’s a redundant system if you currently have all those consoles you mentioned. Unless you love tech and collect them. It’s pointless.
MarkMe2525
Member
It is misleading to make the claim that subscription models are super low margin. Companies on subscription-based models control their investments so the margin can be as high or low as they want it. while the company is bulking out their product line, margins tend to be lower because of heavy investments. This changes once a company has a base level, it can overtime lower investments. I do agree withbeing skeptical of Microsoft taking a huge upfront loss on each console sold.
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01011001
Banned
how is it redundant if I told you what I might use it for? replacing the One X and One S respectively.
in fact, these 2 systems become redundant at that point since the Series X and S will run every game that run on the old ones better than the old ones
but btw. I'm not planning on getting Lockhart right away... in the meantime the One X will basically replace the One S on the PC monitor. but at some point the One X will not be supported anymore and that's when the Lockhart will come into the picture.
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Dabaus
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I was thinking The same thing, Ps5 has all the mindshare and momentum going into next gen so some colt Eastwood type took it upon himself to come up with a ludicrous rumor that’s basically “wait for e3” on steroids. Mic drops, entire industry shook, acquisitions despite Matt booty stating they were done acquiring studios, billion dollar losses on hardware. It’s people like him that set up these extremely unrealistic expectations for people and when reality happens everyone is disappointed.Looks like that member eastmen from B3D forum is just a fraud. Same thread on ERA, some journalist did some research and found this :
Microsoft XBOX (XBox One X / Project Scorpio) - Prerelease News and Rumours
That might work for the launch period. You could always drop to $399 in early 2018 when demand softens.These are promium customers anyway, 50 bucks for six months extra of the fastest thing around isn't so bad. Is BOM likely to be more than $150 higher than the X1S though? ~$40 more for Ram...
[WCCFTECH-Rumor] Lockhart Will Be Half The Price Of The Series X; Series X prepared to be $400, July Event Will Be A “Night Of Mic Drops”
Seriously. I’m coming back to this thread after the event to see how wrong they were.
[WCCFTECH-Rumor] Lockhart Will Be Half The Price Of The Series X; Series X prepared to be $400, July Event Will Be A “Night Of Mic Drops”
Have you seen the specs of a standard PS4? And what TLOU2 looks like on it?
In short :
According to eastmen's post history, he is very Xbox related. So, surely he is pissed because PS5 gained so much momentum, then he said what he said just to diverts attention from the PS5 and maybe recently Oodle Kraken tweets. LOL
Dabaus
Banned
I also can’t help but notice that despite what we know about the cost of next gen console BOM, Ps5 being 450 and series x being more than that., that somehow Ps5 will be the more expensive one. I also can’t help but notice the halo avatars now pushing this theory as well. The timing is suspect too what with it being after Sony’s show. I’ll be honest I didn’t think it was a great showing but they certainly got a lot of YouTube views and twitter likes, much more than I think these halo avatars wanted to see.
Hawking Radiation
Member
Lol, really?
You think 110 million strong PS4 userbase with an attach rate of 9,6 games per console (which is regarded as a very high attach rate) is going to dump the Playstation for Xbox?
Lol
Well no shit he is a fraud.Looks like that member eastmen from B3D forum is just a fraud. Same thread on ERA, some journalist did some research and found this :
Microsoft XBOX (XBox One X / Project Scorpio) - Prerelease News and Rumours
That might work for the launch period. You could always drop to $399 in early 2018 when demand softens.These are promium customers anyway, 50 bucks for six months extra of the fastest thing around isn't so bad. Is BOM likely to be more than $150 higher than the X1S though? ~$40 more for Ram...
[WCCFTECH-Rumor] Lockhart Will Be Half The Price Of The Series X; Series X prepared to be $400, July Event Will Be A “Night Of Mic Drops”
Seriously. I’m coming back to this thread after the event to see how wrong they were.
[WCCFTECH-Rumor] Lockhart Will Be Half The Price Of The Series X; Series X prepared to be $400, July Event Will Be A “Night Of Mic Drops”
Have you seen the specs of a standard PS4? And what TLOU2 looks like on it?
In short :
According to eastmen's post history, he is very Xbox related. So, surely he is pissed because PS5 gained so much momentum, then he said what he said just to diverts attention from the PS5 and maybe recently Oodle Kraken tweets. LOL
Dude stated MS plans to pump out AAA exclusives every other month. If this didn't set off alarm bells as to him being full of shit then i don't know what will.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Half price seems like a stretch. That would mean something like $600/$300 or $500/$250.
I'm thinking more $600/$400 or $500/$300.
I'm thinking more $600/$400 or $500/$300.
Kagero
Member
Yeah you’re right. I got all confused with all these damn S’s and X’s. What was Microsoft thinking with this naming convention. Eithey way yeah. Good prices at least if all this is true.
93xfan
Banned
they have to show the games first or it won’t have any impact.
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Jaguar Victory
Member
I'm ready baby. Let me put that Series X on pre-order BestBuy!
Devilich
Member
Ouya is that you?I wonder if it will actually look like this fan-made design:
It would be like Microsoft's sophisticated take on the GameCube.
TheAssist
Member
Then plz give me a source to discredit me.
- the original XBox was a big loss for MS and they did lose like a billion dollars with the rrod
- more subscription based models for TV, movies, music and games have already closed their doors due to being forced out of the market, than currently exist --> meaning especially in the beginning the strong players try to force the weaker ones out by cutting prices, hence the low margins. Heck even MS pulled out of music streaming subscriptions and made a strategic partnership with spotify instead
- Subscription models go hand in hand with lower sales, ask the music industry. At the very least the revenue stream is skewed towards whats big and popular, hurting smaller studios and artists because they cant live from what they get from the streaming service providers
- The Xbox Brand is not as strong in Europe (compared to Playstation and Nintendo) and basically non existent in the asia markets
TheAssist
Member
In my previous post I was implying that they would take that loss for the first years. It only pays of when at the end of it all, they stand victorious. But its not like MS is the only one with that idea. EA already has a subscription model. Ubi wanted one or already has one? I dont even know, havent been on U Play for years. You can bet your ass Activision is going to have one and of course Sony will counter as well. Same for google and maybe amazon. I mean thats my whole point. MS is not in a vacuum. They have to be extremely competitive to force others out and that means its gonna be low margin and its not like Sony, Google and Amazon have no money in the bank to draw this battle out.
I'm not saying they wont succeed, all I'm saying is that it will cost them A LOT and therefore I dont see them subsidizin a console by THAT MUCH.
Maybe they'll use Xcloud to reach that wider audience of smart TV owners to stream games on every device but still position all XBoxes towards actual gamers who do pay more than 200 dollars for a console.
Ar¢tos
Member
I honestly don't see how they could sell it half price.
Reducing the gpu to half size and removing the disc drive won't reduce the price of manufacture by 1/2.
And Xbox can't sell it at that huge loss, or any loss, this gen even more than last gen.
Sure MS has rivers of money, but the Xbox division doesn't, they have a budget.
They don't have the marketshare or Sony brand recognition and the Xbox division is basically expendable for MS while Sony can't survive without Playstation.
And their move to services reduces even more the amount loss they can take in hardware.
If Sony sells 50 consoles, they know they will sell at least 50 games at the same time, making it easier to predict the loss they can take, but if Xbox sells 50 consoles, they have no idea how many of those 50 consumers are going to buy a game and how many are going to subscribe to gamepass, and the profit of a month of gamepass is much smaller than the profit of a full price retail game.
I don't see a 12tf machine costing 400$, 500$ and that's already taking a small loss.
Reducing the gpu to half size and removing the disc drive won't reduce the price of manufacture by 1/2.
And Xbox can't sell it at that huge loss, or any loss, this gen even more than last gen.
Sure MS has rivers of money, but the Xbox division doesn't, they have a budget.
They don't have the marketshare or Sony brand recognition and the Xbox division is basically expendable for MS while Sony can't survive without Playstation.
And their move to services reduces even more the amount loss they can take in hardware.
If Sony sells 50 consoles, they know they will sell at least 50 games at the same time, making it easier to predict the loss they can take, but if Xbox sells 50 consoles, they have no idea how many of those 50 consumers are going to buy a game and how many are going to subscribe to gamepass, and the profit of a month of gamepass is much smaller than the profit of a full price retail game.
I don't see a 12tf machine costing 400$, 500$ and that's already taking a small loss.
Mistershine.
Banned
Who the fuck is going to buy a console and only ever have 1 month of gamepass and not buy any games??
Ar¢tos
Member
How many games do you have access to with one month of gamepass?
You answered your own question...
Not everybody swims in money, some people have to save for a month or two to buy a game.
I'm not saying that all they will ever buy is one month or gamepass, I'm talking about at the time of buying the console, not lifetime actions.
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Mistershine.
Banned
And when their month off gamepass expires? I assume they'll just sit and look at the console gathering dust rather than buy a game or another month of gamepass.
Ar¢tos
Member
How hard is it for you to understand the concept of 1st month expense and that 1st month expense =/= lifetime expense?
The next month they might buy a game or they might continue to subscribe to gamepass, the month after the same thing.
But it's the initial purchase that has more impact when deciding how much loss to take on the hardware.
If I buy an Xbox and I want to play 2 1st party games I don't have to spend 120$ on games, I can spend 10$ on 1 month of gamepass and play them.
If I buy a ps5 and I want to play 2 1st party games, I HAVE to spend 120$ and buy them, because they aren't available day one on psnow.
What happens after that initial purchase is hard to predict, so manufacturers can't use that data to calculate how much loss in hardware they can take.
Last gen this wasn't an issue, this will be the first gen where this is a possibility.
Mistershine.
Banned
The amount of people that would buy a console and only spend £10-20 on gamepass here and there is going to be so ludicrously small it's irrelevant. Don't forget that you don't keep the games when your sub expires. I would imagine microsoft have looked at the figures they have for gamepass and software attach rates and have worked out how much they can subsidise each console by and how long it will take to recoup that cost.
Ar¢tos
Member
Many people, like me, couldn't care less about keeping games. I finish a game and never touch it again.
Anyway, the possibility exists, so it must be accounted for.
baphomet
Member
I only subscribe one month at a time. I play the couple of games I want. Then I unsubscribe until they have new ones I want to play. At this point it's been about 4-5 months since I've subscribed.
When I buy a XSX I'll be doing the exact same thing. Because why would I buy games for the system when I can pay less than $50 a year and play all their first party games as they're released.
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LarknThe4th
Member
Fucking console warriors...Looks like that member eastmen from B3D forum is just a fraud. Same thread on ERA, some journalist did some research and found this :
Microsoft XBOX (XBox One X / Project Scorpio) - Prerelease News and Rumours
That might work for the launch period. You could always drop to $399 in early 2018 when demand softens.These are promium customers anyway, 50 bucks for six months extra of the fastest thing around isn't so bad. Is BOM likely to be more than $150 higher than the X1S though? ~$40 more for Ram...
[WCCFTECH-Rumor] Lockhart Will Be Half The Price Of The Series X; Series X prepared to be $400, July Event Will Be A “Night Of Mic Drops”
Seriously. I’m coming back to this thread after the event to see how wrong they were.
[WCCFTECH-Rumor] Lockhart Will Be Half The Price Of The Series X; Series X prepared to be $400, July Event Will Be A “Night Of Mic Drops”
Have you seen the specs of a standard PS4? And what TLOU2 looks like on it?
In short :
According to eastmen's post history, he is very Xbox related. So, surely he is pissed because PS5 gained so much momentum, then he said what he said just to diverts attention from the PS5 and maybe recently Oodle Kraken tweets. LOL
I just want to be informed on pricing as a consumer and dicks like this are muddying the waters!!
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People here seem to think that they just try out random things and decide pricing by whatever they feel like. These are big businesses, every expenditure is accounted for and has a logic behind it
MarkMe2525
Member
I mistook your point. I generally agree with all of this. Yes it is a gamble and will only make high margins if successful.
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Old Empire.
Member
400 dollars for the XSX would be a steal. The be taking a heavy loss at that cost. Since most games are third party, i buy day one at that price.
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Thirty7ven
Banned
XSS at 199$ and XSX at 399$ sounds like an epic amount of loss for Xbox. Could be a reaction to the interest around the PS5.
I’m all for it. Specially if it pushes Sony to sell the PS5 digital at 399€.
I’m all for it. Specially if it pushes Sony to sell the PS5 digital at 399€.
oldergamer
Member
That reasoning is dumb. He's just connected to Xbox is some way. Ya know not everyone out there is a fanboy. Diverting attention? Again that's ridiculous.
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DaGwaphics
Member
We don't know anything about the BOM on either system, just a few news articles based on nothing. The Bloomberg article was a mess in particular, with those over estimated SSD costs, especially on XSX side. You can buy a comparable drive on the open market, right now, for less than Bloomberg estimate (It would surprise me if MS is ordering these from New Egg).