ReBurn
Gold Member
I thought that in November all 15 million were people who got it for a dollar
how did the number go up
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Xbox Game Pass now has over 18 million subscribers
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how did the number go up
what is this shit? go to sleep u drunk
DaleinCalgary
Member
That's not always a good thing. I've played nothing on it since the XSX release.
I want new games.
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they called their friends with their 1 dollar
ResilientBanana
Member
It's a great deal with a shit-ton of great games. People in this thread will downplay the fuck out of it and claim the dollar card, but I love it, as do 18 million others.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Well technically it is, but I see what you mean.
So 1 million a month from April to September and 1 Million a month from October to now.
With no exclusives.
Just imagine when MS 1st party starts hitting on all cylinders and Game Pass launches for iOS and Samsung TVs later this year.
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Batiman
Banned
Ya new games are scarce this launch. But with how many studios they have there’s nothing to be worried about in the near future.
Mercenary09
Member
Sony isn't the only one charging $70 for games. Let's also not forget that games have been $100 for some time now technically if you wanted the full amount of content. You can bet that more publishers will be going to $70 later too.
Yes while they did go back on it it's only because they caught so much shit for it and rightfully so. Make no mistake they will find a way to get more money out of people. The gold trick didn't work but they'll come up with something else.
GhostOfTsu
Banned
Yep, T2 and Activision did it first and Microsoft hasn't release anything yet. Wait until they come out with their 70$ game too and they will lose their last bullet point againt their Nemesis lol. They keep repeating that 70$ on every thread.
Gamepass price will go up so much by 2023 that's how they'll get their money back. No more GPU conversion trick.
MatrixReloaded101
Member
That number is why Xbox live will never be free....
Too many people are happy paying for it
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Yep, this is just the beginning for Gamepass. It's gonna be wild 1-2 years from now.
Aguero9320
Member
People asking about profit are a) desperate and b) missing the point.
Just imagine how big these already massive numbers will be when the investments start to pay off? Buckle up fanboys of both sides, it’s going to be a wild ride over the next few years.
Just imagine how big these already massive numbers will be when the investments start to pay off? Buckle up fanboys of both sides, it’s going to be a wild ride over the next few years.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
Its starts with Starfield.
Aguero9320
Member
Two things will happen when they announce Starfield is exclusive to GamePass. Fanboys will have the most epic meltdown of all time, and smart gamers will figure out the best option for them to subscribe to GamePass.
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CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
Well in just a few months the increase is 50% more than the total of ALL PSNow subs even though PlayStation has double the user base of Xbox and PSNow has been around longer. I'd say those numbers are pretty GREAT!
RGB'D
Member
The Medium drops in like two days... im not generally a horror gamer but this one looks worth a try. I liked the demo footage. Also both Hivebuster (which is fantastic) and The Call of the sea (which was really good) came out in the past month or so. Pretty decent for a pandemic...
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pr0cs
Member
Cyber Shadow just launched on it and The Medium is launching on it on Thursday.
Stuart360
Member
Still think my 50mil subs by the end of the gen will be close. In fact i will probably end up being low.
Kagey K
Banned
It’s chump change.
You only need to sell 3 million copies of a $60.00 game every month to generate that.
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FrankWza
Member
Too bad they won’t say how many are paying $1 AND Still won’t say how many gold subs AND Still not posting profits.
AND most importantly, if these numbers are so great and profitable, why did they feel the need to DOUBLE the cost to their biggest subscriber base? Padded
MacReady13
Member
So there are 100 million Xbox live users and under 20 million game pass users, and micro$oft were willing to screw those 100 million over to get them to subscribe to a shithouse subscription service? Where’s the loyalty to your paying customers in that move?
Stuart360
Member
Mega rich company wants even more money, who knew!.
Anyway it was bad enough last quarter from you trolls, you just going to look stupid trying to twist these results into a negative. Keep saying the same tiresome stuff every quarter though, as they keep showing huge growth across the board.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Each month, every Xbox gamer makes a new gamertag so they can claim another introductory free GP month.
It's like Netflix. They now have 200 million subs, nobody pays for it. NF actually has $0 sales. I create a new email address every month for the past 10 years.
Elder Legend
Banned
But Gaf told me that they prefer to own their games forever and that Game Pass only has shitty mediocre games such as Ori, Forza Horizon, Halo Master Chief Collection and the upcoming Elder Scrolls 6, next DOOM, new Fallout games, Awoved and a shitty old RPG ip that no one wants called Fable and of course crappy Hellblade 2 all day 1....
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
they (almost) doubled the price of gold to drive gamepass subs. it's their singular goal right now to drive people to gamepass subs. people are smoking crack if they think all future bethesda games won't be exclusive.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Probably he same reason why Sony didn't post PS3 console sales way back. Instead they PRed "the Sony family of products" where they combined PS2, PS3 and PSP portable sales into one giant number and then said that number is higher than Wii, but they didn't include portable DS sales like they did PSP.
When you're combining three pieces of hardware vs. one, I can't believe it. Three products outsold one.
They also increased the price of PS+ since it started and Sony games are now $70 US.
Sony brags sales and profits are increasing every year for PS, yet look at that. They increase prices too trying to accelerate profits, when they could take a breather and give gamers a break. The PS division is already making bank, but the price keeps going up.
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FrankWza
Member
No need to name call, my post is 100% valid. But the question remains. Or you can point me to the number of gold subs.
Better yet, when have they ever announced gold subs? Show me how many $1 subs. Show me profitability. Otherwise it’s just padded numbers and quarter truths.
Stuart360
Member
They dont release those kind of numbers anymore, and havent since 2014. Its time for people to let it go, gaming has moved on from simple hardware numbers
Phil even said the other week that even if XSX/XSS was actually beating PS5, they will never announce it. Just like how they stopped giving 360 numbers in 2014, leaving it open for PS3 to 'win' that gen as the 360 numbers always quoted were the last official numbers given by Microsoft.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Where's Sony profit report for PS+? They never splice it out either. Until they do, PS+ is a money loser until proven otherwise.
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FrankWza
Member
I’m speaking to subs, not console numbers.
And that’s exactly my point. They are giving you GP numbers. Why pick and choose what you’re willing to share? if they don’t release sub numbers for gold and the $1 tie in then they’ll continue to leave themselves open to those doubting how legitimate they are. Plain and simple. It’s not right or wrong, just how it’s going to be. It doesn’t make sense to tell the world your gamepass numbers 3 times in 9 months but never tell what your gold sub numbers are when gold subs gets you an opportunity at a 3 year sub for $1 for potentially millions of people.
I’m not bringing Sony into this but you seem to keep wanting to. Are they beating their chest announcing ps plus subs left and right? Do they offer a promotion where, as a plus subscriber, you can get another subscription for $1 that leaves them open to be questioned? Because that’s what I’m referring to, GPs profitability at 18 million subs when we don’t know how many gold subs were converted for $1. Is it 2 people, 2 million, 5 million? It’s perfectly normal to call these numbers into doubt at this time. They didn’t mention GP subs until the $1 deal was well established. Do a poll and see how many are on the $1 deal. Is it the majority? No. Is it significant? Yes.
Yup for sure, just like every PS+ subscriber is on lifetime free trials.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Why do you care so much what the detailed financials are for Game Pass?
Are you this aggressive trying to find out the profitability of everything in gaming?
Where's your interest in PS Now financials? Last summer they announced 2.2 million.
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PlayStation Now hits 2.2 million subscribers
Five years after its launch, Sony’s cloud gaming service amasses over 2 million subscribers.
www.theverge.com
If I was Sony, I wouldn't promote it either. Service has been out before Game Pass, PS has double the user base and right now probably are humming at 3 million. Bad value, so that's why nobody is signing up. Half the games are streamed with lag and at 720p.
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Stuart360
Member
I forgot the wording they like to use, but its all about how many people ae doing this, how many people are engaging, how many people are playing online, how many hours they are spending doing it etc. How many Live subs are Gold, doesnt really matter in how they do it now.
You have to remember that these numbers arent really meant for the general gaming public, and certainly are not meant for fanboys to argue over on forums. In fact i believe Phil himself said a while ago that giving out hardware numbers (for example), doesnt give a true representation of how well 'Xbox' is doing,. as Xbox, and PS5, have so much other shit, services, etc. So they just reveal the revenue, or how well a division is doing as a whole, but again, this isnt meant for us.
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FrankWza
Member
There’s your answer. On the other hand, gamepass has new games and all the specs and can be had for .03 cents a month for 3 years. It started in 2017 and doesn’t hit 10 million subs until 2020 or just under 3 years later. But 1 year after they start the $1 loophole all of a sudden, 10 million. Then another 8 million in 9 months while the loophole stays open. There’s your doubt on the legitimacy and profitability.
Aguero9320
Member
It doesn’t matter what you want to know, it’s their business, not yours.
Almost $2t market cap and $15bn quarterly profit is all they need to say to shut up everyone questioning their financial nous (at least in theory). They should put it on a t-shirt. I think they have proven they know what they are doing by now...
FrankWza
Member
I get it. The said something like 100 million live users. The reason I bring up gold is because thats where the opportunity to get the $1 sub comes. I assume the attach rate of gold users is crazy high. So, more opportunities to get the GP deal for $1.
LordBlodgett
Member
They are two very different things. You need an Xbox Live account to play minecraft on Playstation or Switch. You don't need to "subscribe" to anything to be an Xbox live active user. There really is no such thing as an "active" Gamepass user, you are either subscribed or not.
FrankWza
Member
Oh boy. The anger in that bolded part.....
They sent you a text or private message? No, they announced it for all to read and see. Just not everything. If they can announce it then I can question it. They seem to be celebrating but it’s not a milestone if you’re giving it away to millions. Why bother even announcing it at all? It’s nobody else’s business, right?
Stuart360
Member
I dont know if the Gold numbers will be really high, i mean there are 'only' bout 50mil Xbox consoles in the wild, but 100mil active users. Almost everyone on PC, like me, will just have the standard Live account.
Plus you have kind of answered your own question. If all 50mil Xbox users had Gold accounts, and could get Gamepass for $1, why isnt there 40-50mil Gamepass subs?, and remember these numbers include PC Gamepass.
Do you have info to back this up?
LordBlodgett
Member
Xbox live users does not mean Xbox Live Gold subscribers....they just use the live active users to track engagement in all of their games across every platform
Kagey K
Banned
It was also a terrible deal at first if you already owned an Xbox and had invested in any games. It became slightly more attractive in 2018 when they announced 1st party games would be there day and date, but you still had to buy Gamepass and Gold seperately.
When they announced Gamepass Ultimate is when it started taking off because they had built a library up already and you only needed the 1 subscription instead of 2.
There are many factors that changed from 2017-2019 to help amplify the uptick in subscribers, and not just the $1.00 conversion offer you keep going on about.
Similarly everyone says PSNow has been out for 7 years, but in reality it has only been of any use the last 2. In 2017 they announced they would finally be putting PS4 games in there (but still streaming) and in 2018 finally announced you’d be able to download them locally.
I always look at the 2 products as similarly aged, because that is when they finally became useful to hardcore gamers.
FrankWza
Member
It will never be one to one especially since you need to prepay 3 years of gold, but there’s enough gold members that it matters since you can only get the deal as a gold subscriber.
Of course. But it’s one of them. That’s my question. How big? The loophole is something they know about but don’t advertise. It’s been going on for a long time. That has to call for some skepticism, no?
nobody does. But, as I say above, it’s been active for a long time and the bump in numbers happen to coincide with it perfectly. Enough to question its significance.
Stuart360
Member
Do a thread, and add a poll. 'How many Gamepass subscribers pay the full standard price a month'. I think you would be surprised by the results.
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