TheGodfather07
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Probably 2023. By that point it will drop off whilst the ps5 will be entering its peak phase. Switch could end up close to ps2 and DS, which is shocking to me as its nowhere near the quality of those systems imo.
I'm accused of being a Sony fanboy in this topic after being accused of being a Nintendo one in another topic, I must be doing something right lol.This is ridiculous fanboy whataboutism that adds nothing to the conversation. It should be my favorite system if my favorite company didn't have to worry about logistics and long term supply planning.
PS5 is in demand but they are selling more than the PS4 did. Sony planned that level of supply. It is not supply constrained, supply of components is limiting options to increase supply. They can't magically add capacity and would not unless they knew they could sustain sales at that level for years. Demand for units when the system is new does not really translate into demand when the system is 3 years old still selling for 500 bucks. If you look at PS4 sales, they are nearly constant on a yearly basis. They plan manufacturing capacity with a little margin and lock those deals in. If Sony dumped 10 million more on the market this year they would probably sell and win this stupid pissing contest for you this year. Then what? They bought capacity to sell 80% more and now instead of in the future and now have to either pay the factories to not make PS5s or pay warehouses to store them while they slowly trickle through retail, or they could get a less favorable deal on manufacturing for a 1 year bump that basically fucks up their business model.
That's what Sony tried to do with Vita. Atari tried to do with Lynx. Sega tried to do with Gamegear. NEC tried to do with Turbo Graphics, and Nokia tried to do with Ngage, not to mention the many more poor unfortunate attempts of companies who think they can challenge Nintendo here.As soon as a $299 portable from Sony or ms launches. Right now they have no portable competition, and I think for the most part steam won't have enough units plus it's more expensive to matter.
That's what Sony tried to do with Vita. Atari tried to do with Lynx. Sega tried to do with Gamegear. NEC tried to do with Turbo Graphics, and Nokia tried to do with Ngage, not to mention the many more poor unfortunate attempts of companies who think they can challenge Nintendo here.
All who try fail disastrously because people want to play Nintendo franchises on portables and consumers will settle for no less.
Now that Nintendo is using all of it's manpower behind one platform they'll be even more dominant.
As a Nintendo handheld gamer, Switch is a million times better than DS. The small low res DS screens were the worst, the controls second rate, and its games were not nearly as good as the Switch's.Probably 2023. By that point it will drop off whilst the ps5 will be entering its peak phase. Switch could end up close to ps2 and DS, which is shocking to me as its nowhere near the quality of those systems imo.
Look at handheld game sales historically and get back to me.I think that's a seriously tainted viewpoint on other handhelds. The other handhelds you mentioned were a joke I terms of actual games being developed and or had no distribution, or were priced poorly and lost all traction. The only real competitor Nintendo has ever faced in dedicated portable was the vita, and it had weak support too plus poor pricing (memory card pricing really turned people off) .
Nobody has ever taken a real swing at Nintendo with proper game support, it's too bad ms didn't decide to make something like the Steam Deck instead of the series s, at a $299 price with scaled down xbox games, that would be a true competitor to the switch.
It's not just about Nintendo franchises, it's about aaa games. For sure a handheld with halo, forza, etc at $299 would sell, even more so if hybrid like a switch.
Look at handheld game sales historically and get back to me.
There has even been exclusive COD's and GTA's on other handheld platforms with better graphics than what Nintendo could offer at the time. The games were there, Nintendo games just sell way better on portables than the competition do.
List of best-selling Nintendo Switch video games - Wikipedia
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You seem to have failed to acknowledge that GTA and COD were not big enough games grow the install-base of competing handheld platforms enough for the platforms to come close to Nintendo, or them even to survive in the market in the long term.Your math is skewed, if you launch a game with a user base of 150 million, of course sales are going to be way higher. The gta and Cod sold decently well considering the user base.
Also the he whole landscape in terms of game development has changed now, its much easier to develop for other platforms as the architecture is very similar. Launching a new portable today with amd architecture would ensure easy 3rd party support. As well, the idea that "portable games are for kids" is also completely dead, opening up the market even more.
I'm a big fan of Nintendo first party games, but a machine of similar design with other (sony or ms) aaa games would sell, and it would take a bite out nintebdos sales.
You seem to have failed to acknowledge that GTA and COD were not big enough games grow the install-base of competing handheld platforms enough for the platforms to come close to Nintendo, or them even to survive in the market in the long term.
Nintendo is on it's way to being the best selling platform ever with very few third party AAA games even in their Top 30 of top selling Switch games.
A portable third party box is just diluted content available on many different platforms.
So Sony and MS are suddenly going to compete with Nintendo in the first party space on another platform? They have a hard enough time supporting their own consoles. Sony proved they couldn't support a handheld and a console already. MS is finally getting their first party in order on a console after generations.They were not on thier own. Support was weak and sporadic, and not near the level of full console support. Secondary ports, late releases, games made by secondary teams.
Who said anything about a portable third party box? This whole time I have been saying a properly supported box by one of the other big 3 would be a viable competitor.
These are fair points, but (Devil's Advocate) give it a couple of years and Microsoft could feasibly put out a portable, dockable Series S, at which point they would no longer have to worry about supporting two platforms. If that did well for them, hybrids could even become their main SKU until they can finally force the planned cloud gaming dystopia into the mainstream.So Sony and MS are suddenly going to compete with Nintendo in the first party space on another platform? They have a hard enough time supporting their own consoles. Sony proved they couldn't support a handheld and a console already. MS is finally getting their first party in order on a console after generations.
These are fair points, but (Devil's Advocate) give it a couple of years and Microsoft could feasibly put out a portable, dockable Series S, at which point they would no longer have to worry about supporting two platforms. If that did well for them, hybrids could even become their main SKU until they can finally force the planned cloud gaming dystopia into the mainstream.
by 15 you mean 20 and in only 1 part of the korok forest and only otherwise drops frames during rain, why is there this weird obsession with making stuff up?Soon, I hope. I hate how Nintendo has made it a strategy to overcharge for obsolete hardware that's consistently 1-2 generations behind the competition. BotW gets frame drops to 15 fps, ffs.
How much do you expect it to sell when they do?As soon as they can make enough ps5’s to meet demand.
I expect it to outsell ps4 given that everyone is at home due to the pandemic, demand is crazy high, the hardware is much better than last gen, etc…How much do you expect it to sell when they do?
PS2 was the least powerful console of its generation and has the record for all time sales (which Switch is on pace to beat).Soon, if they kept on selling underpowered portable hardware.