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[Tripolygon]

Waiting for people to be mention how PS5 isn’t next gen because it’s resolution isn’t 4K… same energy as XSS you know?

Temporal image reconstruction has been the swan song since checkerboard rendering first made an appearance last gen.

Never really cared much for "native" 4K. It was never the determination for what next gen consoles were. I still maintain that the S should have been at least 6TF and matching the RAM size as the X.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

I'll just like to take this moment to highlight how utterly idiotic these discussions a few months ago were with regards to FSR2 on PS5 in this game.

I remember these comments as well and they were indeed based on this "belief" spread by rumor mongers and DigitalFoundry's Alex Battaglia that the PS5 uses "an inferior GPU without a RDNA2 featureset", so it shouldn't run FSR2 because it uses.. checks notes.. compute shaders.

 

[adamsapple]

FFXVI is using modified FFXIV engine I think. Still much better than this trash LOL.

Damn then I guess it's a straight up difference in budget/care allocation on Square's part, cause the two games seem a literal chasm apart.

 

[Luipadre]

1472x828…. Lol

A little more hit and we have our 720p ps5 game.

Yeah those next Gen games will need a ps5 pro / series x pro.

Ps5 is looking like a fat ps4 with this game.

more like this dev and engine is looking like a joke

 

[Imtjnotu]

FFXVI is using modified FFXIV engine I think. Still much better than this trash LOL.

No it's the luminous engine from final fantasy 15. The same engine that kingdom hearts 3 had to change away from in the middle of development for unreal engine 4. Nomura said it had to do with development difficulties.

I still have the FF15 Demo on my ps4 and pro. That engine demo looked amazing and ran like dog shit. The final release of the game looked like dog shit and ran like it.

The engine is the issue here and as far as I know, this is the only active game in development for SE using this engine.

Pretty sure FF7 is being made om UE5

 

[Arioco]

Rez + performance are atrocious. Please, Square, stick with Unreal Engine.

 

[Black_Stride]

No it's the luminous engine from final fantasy 15. The same engine that kingdom hearts 3 had to change away from in the middle of development for unreal engine 4. Nomura said it had to do with development difficulties.

I still have the FF15 Demo on my ps4 and pro. That engine demo looked amazing and ran like dog shit. The final release of the game looked like dog shit and ran like it.

The engine is the issue here and as far as I know, this is the only active game in development for SE using this engine.

Pretty sure FF7 is being made om UE5

This and FFXV are Luminous Engine

FFXVI is the XIV ver++ Engine.

FFVIIR is Unreal Engine.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

Was giving him the benefit of the doubt because being happy for a game being an exclusive is stupid as fuck.

Exactly...lol

 

[Imtjnotu]

This and FFXV are Luminous Engine

FFXVI is the XIV ver++ Engine.

FFVIIR is Unreal Engine.

You just said the same thing I said lol

 

[adamsapple]

John says the lighting in the Forspoken demo is a step down from FFXV on last gen.

Why do I have a feeling this was also going to be a cross-gen game that was shoehorned to next-gen only later in development.

 

[MasterCornholio]

that's not the point, many people said you can't call a console that drops to 720p a next gen console.

and here we are, a game that drops to 720p on PS5, and even in the 30fps modes can go down to 820p

Well I mean there's no such thing as next gen consoles to begin with.



Now how the Series S would handle this title is up to you to decide.

 

[GenericUser]

>1280x720
Luminous will disappear soon

 

[Black_Stride]

FFXVI is using modified FFXIV engine I think. Still much better than this trash LOL.

No it's the luminous engine from final fantasy 15. The same engine that kingdom hearts 3 had to change away from in the middle of development for unreal engine 4. Nomura said it had to do with development difficulties.

I still have the FF15 Demo on my ps4 and pro. That engine demo looked amazing and ran like dog shit. The final release of the game looked like dog shit and ran like it.

The engine is the issue here and as far as I know, this is the only active game in development for SE using this engine.

Pretty sure FF7 is being made om UE5

You just said the same thing I said lol

Must be my comprehension going wonky.

Bojji says FFXVI is using XVI ver++.
You then say and I quote: No it's the luminous engine from final fantasy 15. The same engine that kingdom hearts 3 had to change away from in the middle of development for unreal engine 4. Nomura said it had to do with development difficulties.


So I corrected you that FFXVI is using XIV ver++.

 

[angrod14]

Hopefully Unreal 5 will be the standard by the time Unreal 6 is released.

 

[angrod14]

It will be so wonderful to play at 720p on my "8K-120fps" marketed behemoth of a PS5.

 

[Luipadre]

It will be so wonderful to play at 720p on my "8K-120fps" marketed behemoth of a PS5.

its not the ps5's fault and you know that

 

[MarkMe2525]

Image reconstruction is such important tech for this gen. It's going to keep getting better as the gen goes on. I don't care if the game is at an internal resolution of 540p, as long as it presents a relatively sharp image in the end, it's all gravy.

 

[SlimeGooGoo]

No it's the luminous engine from final fantasy 15. The same engine that kingdom hearts 3 had to change away from in the middle of development for unreal engine 4. Nomura said it had to do with development difficulties.

I still have the FF15 Demo on my ps4 and pro. That engine demo looked amazing and ran like dog shit. The final release of the game looked like dog shit and ran like it.

The engine is the issue here and as far as I know, this is the only active game in development for SE using this engine.

Pretty sure FF7 is being made om UE5

FF7R seems to be one budget level lower than FF15 and FF16 though. Same goes for Kingdom Hearts.

 

[adamsapple]

FF7R seems to be one budget level lower than FF15 and FF16 though. Same goes for Kingdom Hearts.

Unreal is a fucking amazing engine all things considered. Versatile and seemingly easy to develop for both Western and Eastern developers.

 

[SlimeGooGoo]

Unreal is a fucking amazing engine all things considered. Versatile and seemingly easy to develop for both Western and Eastern developers.

For sure. I just wish the lightning didn't look so bad for stylized games.

 

[Roman Empire]

Unreal is a fucking amazing engine all things considered. Versatile and seemingly easy to develop for both Western and Eastern developers.

This so much. I can't believe people still speak the nonsense SlimeGooGoo said. Unreal Engine is a fucking beast of how powerful and user-friendly it is. Just look how fast the development for FF7R was (both part 1 after they scrapped the old project and took it in-house, and part 2). UE5 is a no-brainer for younger and inexperienced/inspiring developers.

 

[rodrigolfp]

For sure. I just wish the lightning didn't look so bad for stylized games.

Do you think Fortnite RT Hardware looks bad??

 

[Luipadre]

Image reconstruction is such important tech for this gen. It's going to keep getting better as the gen goes on. I don't care if the game is at an internal resolution of 540p, as long as it presents a relatively sharp image in the end, it's all gravy.

but this game looks ass in motion

 

[SlimeGooGoo]

Do you think Fortnite RT Hardware looks bad??

Yes, vegetation always look bad.

This so much. I can't believe people still speak the nonsense SlimeGooGoo said. Unreal Engine is a fucking beast of how powerful and user-friendly it is. Just look how fast the development for FF7R was (both part 1 after they scrapped the old project and took it in-house, and part 2). UE5 is a no-brainer for younger and inexperienced/inspiring developers.

Great, now we have game engine fanboys.

 

[Roman Empire]

Yes, vegetation always look bad.


Great, now we have game engine fanboys.

I like your take, you're a funny guy

 

[rodrigolfp]

Yes, vegetation always look bad.

Lighting =/= vegetation.

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

Is the PS5 really that underpowered, or is this just a poorly optimized game?

Just look at the performance mode from Horizon Forbidden West and you got the answer.

 

[intbal]

PS5 in performance mode uses a dynamic resolution with the highest resolution found being 2560x1440 and the lowest resolution found being 1280x720. In performance mode PS5 seems to usually render below 1920x1080. PS5 in performance mode seems to be using FSR 2 to reconstruct a 2560x1440 resolution when rendering below this resolution.

 

[Raonak]

Not too concerned about a demos performance, optimisation is usually the last thing done on a game.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Not too concerned about a demos performance, optimisation is usually the last thing done on a game.

True but I really hope the final product is much better.

 

[SlimeGooGoo]

Lighting =/= vegetation.

Vegetation looks bad because of the lighting.

It's great for photorealism, bad for stylized games.

 

[MarkMe2525]

but this game looks ass in motion

Ok... I was speaking in general terms. As far as this specific game, I have seen more stable IQ but it's far from "ass". I believe that many of the negative responses have been exaggerated, but you are allowed to think differently. Personally, I won't be playing this game so no skin off my back.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Vegetation looks bad because of the lighting.

It's great for photorealism, bad for stylized games.

"Ugly" vegetation can't be saved by lighting alone. Also vegetation that doesn't cast shadows.

 

[adamsapple]

True but I really hope the final product is much better.

Considering its a demo releasing just under a month before release, I think the odds are high this is just a gated chunk of the final game (especially considering the gigantic 30GB install size).

 

[MasterCornholio]

Considering its a demo releasing just under a month before release, I think the odds are high this is just a gated chunk of the final game (especially considering the gigantic 30GB install size).

Well hopefully its an old build. But to be fair it is their old engine. Hopefully their UE titles far much better Mr Testicals.

 

[Hunnybun]

It's been obvious for a long time that this game is a real fucking mess.

 

[Aaron Olive]

that's not the point, many people said you can't call a console that drops to 720p a next gen console.

and here we are, a game that drops to 720p on PS5, and even in the 30fps modes can go down to 820p

But we know it’s not the hardware, we know it’s the game engine. we’ve seen other better looking and performing games on the same hardware so we know what’s going on.

I feel like if they want to save this project they need to delay it again and port it to a superior engine. Otherwise money down the drain for Sony and Square.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Series S is really holding back this gene.... Oh wait.

Oh shit! Great Post lol

 

[Doctor Hades]

Forsaken was a fun demo and the visuals were fine, if nothing exceptional, but if I buy this then it will be on PC for sure and not PS5. I must admit to being a bit surprised at the low resolutions in this game because it is certainly nowhere near as good looking as, say, Horizon: Forbidden West on PS5 and that has a solid 60 fps Performance mode with a higher than 1440p resolution and a, correct me if I'm wrong, a native 4K 30 fps Quality mode that was later updated to support 40 fps at the same resolution. 720p-1080p for this game is, quite frankly, a bit of a shocker not to mention baffling. Maybe it's the Luminous engine the game is using that isn't suited to the PS5's architecture?

 

[angrod14]

its not the ps5's fault and you know that

For the love of god I hope you're right, because otherwise we have one shit of a gen ahead of us. Gotham Knights, A Plague Tale's and now this.

 

[Corndog]

I played the demo, im not sure why the game runs poorly, the game doesnt even look that good, some texture look like ps4 texture.

I suspect is their game engine called luminous or something? Game looks kinda pixelated too

Maybe they borrowed the halo infinite engine.

 

[Kenpachii]

Another example of why you should not trust announcement/reveal trailers :

 

[MasterCornholio]

Series S is really holding back this gene.... Oh wait.

Now imagine this game on Series S.

Really don't get the constant comparisons to the Series S. The PS5 should be compared to the Series X instead. Comparing it to the Series S is not fair to the Series S IMO.

 

[Crayon]

This game is a wreck and a half.

 

[GymWolf]

John says the lighting in the Forspoken demo is a step down from FFXV on last gen.

Why do I have a feeling this was also going to be a cross-gen game that was shoehorned to next-gen only later in development.

It is more than a feeling considered how the game looks.

2017 horizon legit looks better.

 

[SABRE220]

Honestly feels like a budget, and talent issue more than even the engine. It seems SE put the C team on the game and it shows. The luminous engine while inefficient comparatively still produced amazing visuals in the past. The premier team is producing visuals that absolutely trounce forspoken with what was considered an inferior more limited in-house engine (ff14 engine). I mean even FF15 maxed out on PC produced better visuals especially in terms of consistency with much better performance on hardware inferior to the next gen consoles, it seems John from DF mentioned this.

This just seems a shoddy effort all around. I think people would be more forgiving for a new team facing issues if they didn't essentially turn to the last gen dark arts aka shitty dishonest marketing practices with fake slices like this
https://cdn.pocket-lint.com/r/s/120...date-platforms-and-more-image1-ujlzwtyobr.jpg
When the final game is nowhere even close to the same fidelity...I mean even that vertical slice isn't exactly beyond the potential/capability of the consoles. They could have honestly reused the FF15 assets/tools with improvements and it would have still turned out better. I

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Lol no they are not.

No magic effect on the demo is impressive enough to have such shitty res and performances, and i played the demo for like 5 hours and have the game preordered since forever, so hardly an hater.

The fire is nothing special and the rock are just...rocks? What impressive effects have you saw in the demo? You don't even have the water\ice ones that look the best graphically in all the trailers.

Nope, totally disagree. I'm judging not just from the demo, but from what has been shown in the gameplay trailers leading up to this point, which is almost certainly guaranteed to be in the game. The magic effects work in this game is some of the best I've seen in a game in a very long time.

This game feels damn good to play, and I think a far better game is here than what people are giving it credit for. I always actually attempt to find these things out for myself and never let negativity dissuade me from giving a game a chance. I also don't hold each and every game to the standard of another game because then you're just killing your enjoyment of games overall. One game might have a more impressive implementation of a specific feature or idea, vastly superior in some cases, but that alone is no reason to dismiss what the other game brings to the table overall.

I think Forspoken, while it won't be for everyone, will end up a hit for people who legitimately give it a chance.

 

[GymWolf]

Nope, totally disagree. I'm judging not just from the demo, but from what has been shown in the gameplay trailers leading up to this point, which is almost certainly guaranteed to be in the game. The magic effects work in this game is some of the best I've seen in a game in a very long time.

This game feels damn good to play, and I think a far better game is here than what people are giving it credit for. I always actually attempt to find these things out for myself and never let negativity dissuade me from giving a game a chance. I also don't hold each and every game to the standard of another game because then you're just killing your enjoyment of games overall. One game might have a more impressive implementation of a specific feature or idea, vastly superior in some cases, but that alone is no reason to dismiss what the other game brings to the table overall.

I think Forspoken, while it won't be for everyone, will end up a hit for people who legitimately give it a chance.

Agree to disagree, i played 5 hours on a lg c1 in quality mode and not a single effect n the demo wowed me, some looked downright meh, the best effect were not in the demo unfortunately.

For the bolded part, people already made up their minds about the game, just read this topic, 90% of people left after 5-10 min without even looking at the options to make the game better.

It is gonna bomb pretty hard but i'm doing my part, i'm always open for an infamous type of game even if it is probably gonna be a 7-6,5 game between the mediocre graphic, absolutely terrible writing, dull and empty open world, boring side activities etc, combat and traversal are the most important thing in a game like this and they are decent enough.

 

[BennyBlanco]

This game is gonna flop so hard

 

[Bojji]

This game is gonna flop so hard

Yeah, they just wasted money in this IP. I think there is no audience for this.