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I loved the idea of another game in the Bloodlines series, but what they had shown up until now looked pretty bad, to be honest. I hope they can do the original justice.
The one accusation that had any substance was complete bullshit and you know it.Avellone was a contractor on the game and there was enough corroborated stories that his behavior was not appropriate.
Yeah, and business can decide if they want to work with him or not.So he’s not allowed to make a living anymore?
Yeah, and business can decide if they want to work with him or not.
It is up to the team/publisher he works with if they want to attempt to use him in a public sense know his history.
You're not being fair to element. This isn't a case of a guy getting cancelled by a twitter mob because of his beliefs. I hope we can distinguish between situations like the Hogwarts Legacy guy and Matt Pascual vs. Avellone, Rooster Teeth's Ryan Haywood, and Ubisoft directors and execs like Maxime Beland.More like if they want to risk a twitter mob ruining the pr for whatever game he's hired to work on.
Which is the point of all this: get them fired and not working.
We just had hit pieces on the media on the lead designer of the upcoming Hogwart's Legacy, not because he actually harmed someone, but because of his ideas. His politics. Do you also agree on inciting twitter mobs against someone for his personal beliefs?
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Damn, this game really can't catch a break. It seems that tackling such a big project was too big for an unexperienced studio like HardSuit Labs.
Me personally as someone who has worked in games for 20 years and who has written social media guidelines for companies, we live in an era where your words matter and can impact teams of hundreds. So while I agree that people have the right to express their political stance, expressing a stance and creating 50 videos talking in detail about that stance are vastly different, especially when you are in a leadership position at a large studio. You have to understand that your comments impact the livelihood of potentially your entire staff and just saying 'this is my personal opinion' doesn't absolve your comments from staining your game, studio and co-workers reputations.More like if they want to risk a twitter mob ruining the pr for whatever game he's hired to work on.
Which is the point of all this: get them fired and not working.
We just had hit pieces on the media on the lead designer of the upcoming Hogwart's Legacy, not because he actually harmed someone, but because of his ideas. His politics. Do you also agree on inciting twitter mobs against someone for his personal beliefs?
You can fuck right off with that cancel culture bullshit.You're not being fair to element. This isn't a case of a guy getting cancelled by a twitter mob because of his beliefs. I hope we can distinguish between situations like the Hogwarts Legacy guy and Matt Pascual vs. Avellone, Rooster Teeth's Ryan Haywood, and Ubisoft directors and execs like Maxime Beland.
Well, you are definitely part of the problem.Me personally as someone who has worked in games for 20 years and who has written social media guidelines for companies, we live in an era where your words matter and can impact teams of hundreds. So while I agree that people have the right to express their political stance, expressing a stance and creating 50 videos talking in detail about that stance are vastly different, especially when you are in a leadership position at a large studio. You have to understand that your comments impact the livelihood of potentially your entire staff and just saying 'this is my personal opinion' doesn't absolve your comments from staining your game, studio and co-workers reputations.
Get woke go broke.
You can fuck right off with that cancel culture bullshit.
Avellone did what?
Flirt with someone? Oh no, how horrible! Dumb to do it at the workplace, sure, but we all know this happens (and some stable relationships result from it, so...).
Being a dick when drunk - and drinking too much? Valid, but that means the guy needs help, not social shunning.
He also brought someone to their door while they were drunk - a rather gentleman move that was of course twisted into "... but he just wanted to get into pants!".
All other allegations were pure bullshit.
"He made me drunk!" - NO ONE, absolutely no one, was forced to drink alcohol. You can't say no? That is your fault, not the others'. Especially since that person was known to drink a lot in company anyway (but sure, I guess it was never on her, right?).
This modern culture of blaming all others for your own lack of spine & conviction and the inability to say no is absolutely disgusting.
"He was being manipulative!" - Whenever you read this, you can be 100% sure someone just pulled something out of their posteriors. It means nothing. We all do what we do in order to achieve something. That's not being manipulative, that just means you don't act at random.
"He had a relationship with a friend of mine!" - So, what? A relationship that apparently didn't even end on bad terms?
Maybe enough in all of this to have a talk with the guy, tell him to stop flirting with half the staff, let him do the walk of shame the crowd so loves to see.
Undoubtedly he had some issues he would need to deal with.
But nowhere near enough to fire him, make sure he can never get a job in the industry again for years and remove his frigging work from the project as if it was in any way related to his actions.
He was not even accused of anything remotely illegal, and yet the mob came for his job as judge, jury and the HR/PR departments - which traditionally give in to the mob by default - gladly played executioner for the clout it would gain them.
This was very much a case of cancel culture.
If you defend this course of action, you are part of the problem.
They don't watch movies much, either. But that hasn't stopped Hollywood from tailoring their entire film slate for that group.SJWs don't even play videogames. One day Western companies will understand that again and make games for the people who actually spend money on them.
LmaoThe other "allegation" as you call it is one we have hard proof of in the form of a screenshot.
Okay I laughedLmao
He decided to go the path of least resistance, quickly apologize and disappear.Keep in mind he never denied what she said - he didn't deny any of it. In fact he said she had every right to hate him, and tacitly acknowledged that what she said was true by saying he hadn't meant to hurt her by what he did.
Holy shit, dude.After escorting her up to her hotel room at the convention with 2 others, he grabbed her head and forcibly kissed her. In front of two other people. When they weren't on a date or a romantic setting at all and there was no relationship between them. He grabbed her so she couldn't pull away. Yes that's sexual assault.
Then the two other guys repeatedly tried to get Avellone to leave with them and he refused. Apparently they were too intimidated by Avellone's stature in the industry to directly challenge him on it so they left him there with her. And Avellone, knowing that she was blackout drunk - knowing that she was so wasted that she had to leave the party and go back to her room and knowing she needed 3 people (including him) to help her get back to her room because she was so wasted - then proceeded to take her pants off and put his hand on her vagina. He only stopped because she was unexpectedly cognizant enough still to say "no" at that point. What if she were slightly more drunk - was he counting on that? That's not "flirting". That was sexual assault and attempted rape on incapacitated woman who wasn't capable of giving consent and he knew that. Forcibly kissing, undressing, and groping the vagina of a woman that you know is blackout drunk is not "flirting". Using "I need to escort her back to her room because she's so wasted" as a ploy to get her alone to perform sex acts on her is a despicable move - it's not "a gentleman move".
The part about the alcohol is to show that it may have been premeditated. He was plying her with alcohol - every time she turned down more, he'd insist and put more in her hands. On its own that's fine and could be seen as a generous guy, but in the context of him keeping an eye on her so that he can swoop in when 2 of her friends started to take her back to her hotel room and he can join in, it looks like he plied her with alcohol specifically to get her drunk enough so he could sexually assault her in an incapacitated state. It's predatory.
Look, I'm not denying the guy was probably a pain to work with as a woman, flirty and unbearable when drunk. Those are the only things one can be reasonably certain about, as multiple people confirmed as much.It's people like you who minimize and refuse to ever acknowledge any wrongdoing (even when the accused isn't denying it and is apologizing!) that are the problem.
The keyword being "guilty", as Weinstein and Cosby (and many others) were found (Spacey not, btw, afaik).I don't want to be associated with defending them or any others guilty of sexual misconduct
Wow, do you have a lot of facts wrong.Don't be an asshole to me just because you're too much of a fanboy and are in denial of the facts.
After escorting her up to her hotel room at the convention with 2 others, he grabbed her head and forcibly kissed her. In front of two other people. When they weren't on a date or a romantic setting at all and there was no relationship between them. He grabbed her so she couldn't pull away. Yes that's sexual assault.
Then the two other guys repeatedly tried to get Avellone to leave with them and he refused. Apparently they were too intimidated by Avellone's stature in the industry to directly challenge him on it so they left him there with her. And Avellone, knowing that she was blackout drunk - knowing that she was so wasted that she had to leave the party and go back to her room and knowing she needed 3 people (including him) to help her get back to her room because she was so wasted - then proceeded to take her pants off and put his hand on her vagina. He only stopped because she was unexpectedly cognizant enough still to say "no" at that point. What if she were slightly more drunk - was he counting on that? That's not "flirting". That was sexual assault and attempted rape on incapacitated woman who wasn't capable of giving consent and he knew that. Forcibly kissing, undressing, and groping the vagina of a woman that you know is blackout drunk is not "flirting". Using "I need to escort her back to her room because she's so wasted" as a ploy to get her alone to perform sex acts on her is a despicable move - it's not "a gentleman move".
The part about the alcohol is to show that it may have been premeditated. He was plying her with alcohol - every time she turned down more, he'd insist and put more in her hands. On its own that's fine and could be seen as a generous guy, but in the context of him keeping an eye on her so that he can swoop in when 2 of her friends started to take her back to her hotel room and he can join in, it looks like he plied her with alcohol specifically to get her drunk enough so he could sexually assault her in an incapacitated state. It's predatory.
Keep in mind he never denied what she said - he didn't deny any of it. In fact he said she had every right to hate him, and tacitly acknowledged that what she said was true by saying he hadn't meant to hurt her by what he did.
He also repeatedly groped his girlfriend's friend during an industry event every time his girlfriend looked away. He was already being blacklisted from conventions for terrible behavior even before these allegations came up so who knows what other things he did. That's more sexual assault and also completely unprofessional behavior at conventions that would get anyone else fired from their job (showing up drunk for work + failing to show up).
The other "allegation" as you call it is one we have hard proof of in the form of a screenshot. In a conversation with a girl new to the industry and still trying to find fulltime employment, he responded to a work-related text by graphically describing performing sex acts on her and talking graphically about her body parts. How would you like it if your boss or the guy running the company you want to work at started sending you texts explicitly describing, say, how he's going to stretch your anus and put his dick in you? If this is your idea of "flirting" then you must be a virgin.
It's people like you who minimize and refuse to ever acknowledge any wrongdoing (even when the accused isn't denying it and is apologizing!) that are the problem. You conflate what he did with people who merely had bad breakups or said something politically incorrect on twitter as if they're all on equal footing. How the hell is anyone supposed to stand against cancel culture when people like you include actual cases of sexual misconduct in it? People like Cosby, Weinstein, Epstein, Spacey etc. aren't 'victims' of cancel culture and I don't want to be associated with defending them or any others guilty of sexual misconduct when I object to people being canceled over a damn joke.
Lmao
He decided to go the path of least resistance, quickly apologize and disappear.
He chose not to directly deny anything as he didn't want to deal with the further shitstorm. Can't blame the guy, although I wish he would have stood up, admitting the things he actually did, describe the rest from his perspective and challenge the rest.
But that he didn't doesn't prove a single thing: Apologies mean nothing.
Most people feel pressured to apologize for things when faced with such a shitstorm. And often regret it afterwards, as it equals an admission of the allegations in the eyes some (like yourself).
Holy shit, dude.
That is one big pile of unproven allegations and wild theories.
Even more, the same person who "came out" with these allegations said these things before (all around the time of said incident):
So, what? She changed her mind? The stuff she said about the incident before was all just lies?
Or is it maybe possible that someone held a grudge against Chris after he broke up with a friend of hers ( https://archive.is/22LMr ) and decided to spice stories up a little as an act of revenge?
As a bonus, about your made-up "rape" allegation. Disproven by the accuser herself:
See what happens after you play Chinese whispers for a while? Cue next year, when some will probably claim he killed someone...
You're dangerously close to a conspiracy theory with insinuations that his colleague fabricated that screenshot and that Avellone's true fans will see the secret message behind his words that he actually didn't do it and doesn't mean what he says. Why would he do that - if someone had falsely tarnished my reputation I'd call it out - who but a pathetic loser wouldn't, especially if it's supposedly a fabricated photo of a facebook conversation that I could easily disprove. So lucky he has you to go to bat for him. Maybe he didn't say anything because he knew he could count on you!
I'd probably re-read your text above and take a breather, it's undermining everything you're trying to say at this point and only proving you're on shaky ground.
And more embellishments, what a surprise.Take a breather? Bruh, I'm not the one reeeing "fuck off" at people who disagree with me.
You want to pick apart and scrutinize these women, be my guest. But as the screenshot clearly shows (and I take it you at least accept it as real), he knew he had crossed a line. So no matter how much of a flirty slut you want to make her out to be, he knew her and knew at the time that what he had said was unacceptable. You can litigate their behavior till the end of time, but the fact is he knew what he had done. He just thought it was water under the bridge since there were no consequences for him any time in the past.
And more embellishments, what a surprise.
Seriously - take a breather, go for a walk, and come back when you've had some time.
I was actually pretty sure you were from Resetera with your conspiracy takes, but embellish that, too, I guess.Embellishments? He literally said in the screenshot "I AM SO SORRY! I owe you like a hundred million apologies". Yeah, he knew what he'd done was unacceptable and that's no exaggeration.
Yet another one unable to disagree without being smug and condescending. Reminds me of resetera.
2021 is also the year of the backlog. Then again every year is the year of backlog. Honestly, I can't get excited for PS5/XSX games if I can't find either system.Told ya'll.
2021 is the year of delays.
Expect a fuck-ton more delays and be prepared to snack on old gen games (backwards compatible) for another year or more.
We are fucked. I repeat. WE. ARE. FUCKED
Bro even if you can find a next gen console, what the fuck are you going to be playing on it. It's slim pickings for anything next gen and even then these are not true next gen games. This is the most limp dick console launch in history.2021 is also the year of the backlog. Then again every year is the year of backlog. Honestly, I can't get excited for PS5/XSX games if I can't find either system.
Embellishments? He literally said in the screenshot "I AM SO SORRY! I owe you like a hundred million apologies". Yeah, he knew what he'd done was unacceptable and that's no exaggeration.
Yet another one unable to disagree without being smug and condescending. Reminds me of resetera.
Honestly, I think Avellone is someone who rather shies away from direct conflict so much that he'd rather take the reputation hit.if someone had falsely tarnished my reputation I'd call it out - who but a pathetic loser wouldn't, especially if it's supposedly a fabricated photo of a facebook conversation that I could easily disprove. So lucky he has you to go to bat for him. Maybe he didn't say anything because he knew he could count on you!
Yeah, you are right, I should have said rape there.You claimed "he was not even accused of anything remotely illegal". He was accused of repeatedly sexually assaulting at least 2 women and sexually harassing a third woman. That's illegal. That's not merely "flirting" or "being a dick".
If you think that telling proponents of cancel culture like yourself to "fuck off" and showing them ample evidence that there is way more to a matter than they thought (which again, you just chose to ignore) is the pinnacle of rudeness and makes someone "incapable of civilized" debate...Since you simply can't help but be a rude asshole and are so sensitive that you can't handle others having different opinions from you to the point that you throw a fit and tell them to "fuck off", I won't be replying further to anything you say. You've told me you're incapable of civilized debate so there's no point.