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[DeepEnigma]

If you don't want to play a game like death stranding then don't play it. It's that simple really. There are plenty of games out there that are balls to the wall all out gameplay, play those instead.

 

[Swift_Star]

If you don't want to play a game like death stranding then don't play it. It's that simple really. There are plenty of games out there that are balls to the wall all out gameplay, play those instead.

This is what I don’t understand. OP wants the game to be how he thinks they should be… but… what about other people like me and lots of others that like the game exactly the way they are? The devs made what they thought they should make. What op needs to do here is chose better the game he wants to play, not bitching because a game doesn’t fit what he feels a game “should” be.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Hold B to skip

Press Pause to go take a leak.

I only ask these 2 things from my Cinematic games. Please

 

[rodrigolfp]

God bless the Max Payne 3 skip cutscenes mod.

 

[Ghost of Caelid]

If you don't want to play a game like death stranding then don't play it. It's that simple really. There are plenty of games out there that are balls to the wall all out gameplay, play those instead.

These reductive arguments are funny. " You don't like this aspect of a game? throw the whole game away" scroll up to see my response tho this kind of all or nothing comment.

 

[GHG]

These reductive arguments are funny. " You don't like this aspect of a game? throw the whole game away" scroll up to see my response tho this kind of all or nothing comment.

You're asking the games creator to strip away an element of the game that is integral to the overall experience. That makes no sense.

There is a thing called artistic freedom, there is no set rule for what can and can't be part of the medium, and you certainly don't get to decide that.

Don't like it, don't play it, simple as that. It's not reductive, it's logical.

 

[RoboFu]

Oh you are complaining about custscenes in a Kojima game? you are about 20 years late to the party.

 

[CatLady]

I guess they're excite for Kojima's cinematic style on the Xbox too!

Not me! The Blue Snakes can keep him as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Ghost of Caelid]

This is what I don’t understand. OP wants the game to be how he thinks they should be… but… what about other people like me and lots of others that like the game exactly the way they are? The devs made what they thought they should make. What op needs to do here is chose better the game he wants to play, not bitching because a game doesn’t fit what he feels a game “should” be.

I'm just a small boy from brooklyn ny...I have no power over the direction of a game like death stranding. I'm expressing my thoughts and criticism of a game I love more than most. I welcome criticisms of my criticism. But lets not straw man or be reductive, I'm saying that this aspect of a game like death stranding in my opinion takes away from what it, and most video games do the best...gameplay. In my little brooklyn opinion DS could have been an even better game if it told the story in a way that was included in the SUPERB gameplay. Making a delivery while both avoiding BTs and conquering the terrain was some of the best fun I ever had in a game. In my opinion having to stop that fun to watch 30 minutes of exposition when the same exposition could have been told/done in gameplay segments only could improve the game...now thats just my opinion. I welcome any push back but the " just play other games" is the laziest form of a rebuttal. Especially when 90% of the game I love.

 

[Salmon]

Technically you watch as you play. Hence the naming convention, Video Games.

Well, it's really not how it works but fun for you. I prefer controlling my character instead.

 

[Ghost of Caelid]

You're asking the games creator to strip away an element of the game that is integral to the overall experience. That makes no sense.

There is a thing called artistic freedom, there is no set rule for what can and can't be part of the medium, and you certainly don't get to decide that.

Don't like it, don't play it, simple as that. It's not reductive, it's logical.

I'm not asking the creator to do anything. i'm talking to other video game enthusiast about aspects of games I may like and others may. So dramatic, think im sending kojima threats "change this or else". Artistic freedom also doesn't mean you cant discuss aspects you may or may not like. It means creators don't have to listen to it, but find me one creator who doesn't want people discussing the games they make.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Well, it's really not how it works but fun for you. I prefer controlling my character instead.

No? You play with a blindfold on?

 

[TheInfamousKira]

No? You play with a blindfold on?

Haven't you seen those Super Mario 64 blindfold speed runs? I guess you aren't the badass I thought you were.

 

[Kokoloko85]

Bloodborne is a cinematic game to me.

What? Its far from a cinematic game lol

 

[arvfab]

Bloodborne is a cinematic game to me

What? Elden Ring, too, because it has some cutscenes?

Nope, nope, nope, nope. You leave my properly directed with beautiful camera angles cutscenes alone. It's a reward for a gameplay section that you just completed, you can play Pacman or something if that bothers you.

This. I remember when reaching a FMV in Final Fantasy was a way to track and compare progress with friends.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Haven't you seen those Super Mario 64 blindfold speed runs? I guess you aren't the badass I thought you were.

 

[GHG]

I'm not asking the creator to do anything. i'm talking to other video game enthusiast about aspects of games I may like and others may. So dramatic, think im sending kojima threats "change this or else". Artistic freedom also doesn't mean you cant discuss aspects you may or may not like. It means creators don't have to listen to it, but find me one creator who doesn't want people discussing the games they make.

The problem is there's no logical discussion to be had here. The cutscenes in the games you discuss are an important and critical part of the experience. You also have the option to skip them.

So what exactly are you asking for?

 

[Danjin44]

I have bigger problem with games like RDR2 that have long over played animation just for simple looting for sake of “immersion” to me that just waste of time.

At least well made cutscenes are fun to watch.

 

[Swift_Star]

I'm not asking the creator to do anything. i'm talking to other video game enthusiast about aspects of games I may like and others may. So dramatic, think im sending kojima threats "change this or else". Artistic freedom also doesn't mean you cant discuss aspects you may or may not like. It means creators don't have to listen to it, but find me one creator who doesn't want people discussing the games they make.

Like I said: the games are what they are. Play what you like better.

 

[Kokoloko85]

You play a Kojima game you should expect this. All his games are like this. 90% of JRPG’s Too including Final Fantasy especially 4 onwards.

Zelda too. Halo had cinematics too. And Gears. And Max Payne. And Sonic Adventure. Shen mue. And so many games

People need to stop acting like this is a new thing for AAA games. Dialogue and cinematics have been in games way before PS4 and Sony’s 1st party games…..…

But haters will try to Hate and attempt to make it a thing

 

[DeepEnigma]

You play a Kojima game you should expect this. All his games are like this. 90% of JRPG’s Too including Final Fantasy especially 4 onwards.

Zelda too. Halo had cinematics too. And Gears. And Max Payne. And Sonic Adventure. Shen mue. And so many games

People need to stop acting like this is a new thing for AAA games. Dialogue and cinematics have been in games way before PS4 and Sony’s 1st party games…..…

But haters will try to Hate and attempt to make it a thing

It's only bad when Sony does it though. Please understand.

 

[Ghost of Caelid]

The problem is there's no logical discussion to be had here. The cutscenes in the games you discuss are an important and critical part of the experience. You also have the option to skip them.

So what exactly are you asking for?

It's not a discussion on logic but art. I said in my OP that I would like games to more implement story in the gameplay not just gameplay , exposition dump, gameplay, exposition dump. I'm not a game designer so I can't give exact examples, I know some games do it well...fromsoft, playdead, edith finch etc....edith finch is a great example because most of the story was told during the game. But this is one aspect of what makes a game great. I never said the games that dont are automatically bad, but I'd personally like to see it. But no game is perfect, I never played a game where I love every single last element of the game. Well just inside.

 

[AGRacing]

Is this thread seriously complaining about watching cutscenes when you are knowingly playing a "cinematic game"?

I've never had a cinema experience as stupid as Death Stranding... and I've seen Battlefield Earth.

 

[Danjin44]

I know some games do it well...fromsoft,

Not every should try to do same thing as FROM.

I love FROM games but I also want games that have proper character I can get attach to and plot I can get invested instead of just relying on “lore”.

 

[TheInfamousKira]

It's not a discussion on logic but art. I said in my OP that I would like games to more implement story in the gameplay not just gameplay , exposition dump, gameplay, exposition dump. I'm not a game designer so I can't give exact examples, I know some games do it well...fromsoft, playdead, edith finch etc....edith finch is a great example because most of the story was told during the game. But this is one aspect of what makes a game great. I never said the games that dont are automatically bad, but I'd personally like to see it. But no game is perfect, I never played a game where I love every single last element of the game. Well just inside.

The issue is that it requires risk and innovation to do anything storytelling related outside of the two opposite poles, those being exclusively in cutscenes, or exposition banter/walking segments. Which honestly serves no one, because people like you will have their eyes glaze over during a long scene, and people like me will miss everything in gameplay banter because I'm trying to win a gunfight against seven people while my CO is talking about philosophy and the history of the 500 year war.

Indie games are basically the test bed for this shit, because the cost to produce versus the loss when something isn't popular isn't into the 9 digit figures. Gaming is sort of at an evolutionary dead end, so to speak, until some mad lad takes serious risks again.

 

[GHG]

It's not a discussion on logic but art. I said in my OP that I would like games to more implement story in the gameplay not just gameplay , exposition dump, gameplay, exposition dump. I'm not a game designer so I can't give exact examples, I know some games do it well...fromsoft, playdead, edith finch etc....edith finch is a great example because most of the story was told during the game. But this is one aspect of what makes a game great. I never said the games that dont are automatically bad, but I'd personally like to see it. But no game is perfect, I never played a game where I love every single last element of the game. Well just inside.

That's my original point though. You're asking for all games to be made a certain way to suit your tastes. There are billions of people who play videogames, some people have eclectic tastes and have the ability to enjoy a wide range games, and there will even be others who only enjoy the type of game you want to get rid of.

You're essentially asking for homogeneity in a medium that best thrives on variety and artistic freedom. Doesn't make any sense. Take things as they are, appreciate them for what they are and play what you want to play. That's all there is to it really.

 

[brian0057]

Sounds like your typical Kojima chicanery. Were you expecting anything different?
He's one of the biggest reasons cinematic games plague the industry to this day.

 

[Wohc]

If you don't like tons of talking, why do you play a cinematic? I don't know any cinematic that it's worth playing it just for the gameplay. It's like playing football with a flat ball. You can play it, but there is no fun left.

 

[Miyazaki’s Slave]

I would pay an additional gold fee to completely remove "you are ignoring content from this user" from thread pages.

 

[Ghost of Caelid]

That's my original point though. You're asking for all games to be made a certain way to suit your tastes. There are billions of people who play videogames, some people have eclectic tastes and have the ability to enjoy a wide range games, and there will even be others who only enjoy the type of game you want to get rid of.

You're essentially asking for homogeneity in a medium that best thrives on variety and artistic freedom. Doesn't make any sense. Take things as they are, appreciate them for what they are and play what you want to play. That's all there is to it really.

I disagree. I'm not asking for third person action games to be iso metric rpgs, or platformers to be racers. Variety still exist, and theres a space for passivity in gaming. But the issue is that most AAA games rely on very narrow pool of design philosophy to make their games. It's not a new idea that games of a certain ilk (financially) all feel similar. My point to this very specific thing is that when it comes to cutscenes at the end of the day these are video games and theres a way we can keep gameplay as the primary focus. If you dialed down on the cutscenes in both death stranding and Gears of War the games are still very different at their core. Saying that variety disappears if you change that aspect is simply wrong.

 

[Ghost of Caelid]

Not every should try to do same thing as FROM.

I love FROM games but I also want games that have proper character I can get attach to and plot I can get invested instead of just relying on “lore”.

you ignored the other two games i posted.

 

[Danjin44]

you ignored the other two games i posted.

Because I didn't play those games and my point still stands, there are variety of games and they all have their own way to tell their story.

I personally LOVE how 13 Sentinels told its story but it doesn't mean every game should be try be like that.

 

[Fake]

Bloodborne is a cinematic game to me.

Are you nuts?

 

[Ghost of Caelid]

Are you nuts?

Apparently.

 

[NeoIkaruGAF]

Took you quite a while to realize.
I’m honestly surprised OP didn’t compare DS to Elden Ring.

 

[Swift_Star]

I disagree. I'm not asking for third person action games to be iso metric rpgs, or platformers to be racers. Variety still exist, and theres a space for passivity in gaming. But the issue is that most AAA games rely on very narrow pool of design philosophy to make their games. It's not a new idea that games of a certain ilk (financially) all feel similar. My point to this very specific thing is that when it comes to cutscenes at the end of the day these are video games and theres a way we can keep gameplay as the primary focus. If you dialed down on the cutscenes in both death stranding and Gears of War the games are still very different at their core. Saying that variety disappears if you change that aspect is simply wrong.

And that’s your opinion, but other people like the way they are now. I like cutscene heavy games. Why should they be toned down just because you think they should?

 

[March Climber]

I think the levels are short because the weapons have a lot of upgrades. There's no merchant in the game after all.

The devs have become better to the point where they could potentially design around such a flaw in a smart way.

 

[Topher]

I disagree. I'm not asking for third person action games to be iso metric rpgs, or platformers to be racers. Variety still exist, and theres a space for passivity in gaming. But the issue is that most AAA games rely on very narrow pool of design philosophy to make their games. It's not a new idea that games of a certain ilk (financially) all feel similar. My point to this very specific thing is that when it comes to cutscenes at the end of the day these are video games and theres a way we can keep gameplay as the primary focus. If you dialed down on the cutscenes in both death stranding and Gears of War the games are still very different at their core. Saying that variety disappears if you change that aspect is simply wrong.

No, it isn't. Some people like those cutscenes. Dialing down cutscenes to suit your personal preferences means those people don't get to have them simply because you don't like them. That is less variety.

Bottom line is not all games are for everyone. Stay away from games with long cutscenes and stick to games you like. Everybody will be better off, I think.

 

[Ghost of Caelid]

And that’s your opinion, but other people like the way they are now. I like cutscene heavy games. Why should they be toned down just because you think they should?

I respect all opinions. I never said anyone is wrong. I keep saying "I think" since its a subjective topic.

 

[Swift_Star]

I respect all opinions. I never said anyone is wrong. I keep saying "I think" since its a subjective topic.

And, as you were told multiple times already, a lot of us like the games the way they are. There’s really no point to this discussion.

 

[Ghost of Caelid]

Took you quite a while to realize.
I’m honestly surprised OP didn’t compare DS to Elden Ring.

DS2 with elden ring style exploration where its just "go out and discover"...hnnnng

 

[Ghost of Caelid]

And, as you were told multiple times already, a lot of us like the games the way they are. There’s really no point to this discussion.

Some people will agree, some will disagree...is there a point to any discussion?

Edit: dont take it too seriously...if its pointless you can always skip the discussion.

 

[Danjin44]

The solution is simple, just play games that have less cutscene. Just like with whole "difficulty" discussion, not every game made for everyone.

 

[Chronicle]

Yeah Kojima. Finished mgs4 at 4 am and then had to watch like an hour of cut scenes. Fuck that.

Side note, you said Essential. Is that the base tier. I have Extra and I thought it only came with the 2nd tier

 

[Kokoloko85]

It's only bad when Sony does it though. Please understand.

Especially when those games are game of the year winners lol

 

[DeepEnigma]

Especially when those games are game of the year winners lol

Did you rike it?

 

[RCU005]

I love cutscenes because Iove story games. People complained a lot about MGS4 but my jaw dropped when the final fight was actually playable and I thought it was a cutscene until they stopped moving and I was "oh shit! I can control this?!"

So it's a mixture of both gameplay and cutscenes that these games work the best. Uncharted 2 huge set pieces wouldn't have worked if you didn't have these great cutscenes to make you confused and surprised that you could actually play them and not watch them.

Then, there's the other side of the coin. MGS V didn't have many cutscenes and many people complained too. Nobody wanted to hear the story via recordings.

I think a AAA game needs those cutscenes. If the story is the focus, then you should expect a lot of cutscenes. Even Mario Galaxy very basic story made the gamplay feel more epic joined with the outstanding music.

I guess that people need to accept that there are story-focused games, like there are gameplay-focused ones, and both are great depending on what you want to play at the time.

The issue is that not all games balance their gameplay and cutscenes flow, so they feel off. It's not much about the amount but more about the implementation and direction of them.

 

[Kagoshima_Luke]

This was the thought of every developer in he mid 2000s, which is why everything moved to forced walk/limp/chat gameplay "experiences", with "squeeze slowly through a small space" sections thrown in to spice it up.

Just give me skippable cutscenes and nuke that cinematic in-game stuff from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

 

[tmlDan]

These reductive arguments are funny. " You don't like this aspect of a game? throw the whole game away" scroll up to see my response tho this kind of all or nothing comment.

This is still a dumb response, not all games are made for you, i love them. grow up.

 

[lughnasadh123]

Wear a modded power glove. You'll never have to set down a controller again.

Love me some long cutscenes in games. My only limit is if the controller shuts off. Even then, not a big deal. All that gameplay is still right there waiting for when it's over.