Frozenprince
Banned
I was so excited for MCU Spidey stuff.
Guess I'll have to be fine with my one movie.
Guess I'll have to be fine with my one movie.
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Sony's Spider-Man Movie-verse Will Feature Carnage, and May Include Kraven, Mysterio
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Laplasakos
Member
Awesome news. Carnage is the most requested villian every time there is a Spider Man movie in the works. I know the article says that he may be part of the Venom movie but i think eventually he will cross roads with Peter Parker.
Really excited about Sony's plans with Spider Movie-verse!
Really excited about Sony's plans with Spider Movie-verse!
Like I said, if Venom wasn't forced into a hastily re-written script...it most likely would have given the creative team more time to develop those individual story beats. If Venom wasn't in the film, who would be to say that Harry's amnesia would have made it into the film at all? Same with the Uncle Ben retcon thing. Re-writing a script is like going back and time and changing something in the timeline in a Back to the Future movie. You change one tiny element, and a lot can start to unravel. You change one big element (changing the central antagonist to an elderly inventor to an aggressive outer-space alien possessing Peter's close personal colleague) and it unravels everything.
Remember without Venom, we wouldn't have gotten the symbiote. Without the symbiote, we wouldn't have gotten Eddie, Evil-Peter who took up much of the story....the changes Venom's implementation made to the story were unquestionably countless and wildly far-reaching, with the symbiote, corruption theme becoming the core element of the movie. As such, it seems deeply unfair to judge Raimi for elements of the film that had nothing to do with Venom, given how much Venom's last-minute inclusion doubtlessly affected that movie on a colossal scale.
badcrumble
Member
tbh I want a campy as hell sinister six movie that is basically the 'ocean's 11' kinda concept they originally talked about, except every single villain is played by an out gay actor who's been on broadway for a good long time
so like nathan lane, alan cumming, victor garber, harvey fierstein, derek jacobi, david hyde pierce
so like nathan lane, alan cumming, victor garber, harvey fierstein, derek jacobi, david hyde pierce
Prophaniti
Banned
It would be great if captain America is acting as a mentor to a young Spider-Man. It would be better if Captain America gets the symbiot first instead of Parker. And now I'm just writing fan fiction.
Anyways when is the Lasher movie?
Anyways when is the Lasher movie?
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
Literally the only reason why you brought Marvel on to save the day was to make this less of a clusterfuck.
Could be, considering the original origin was from Secret Wars. Perhaps Spidey picks it up during IW prior to the Thanos fight.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Cap gets the symbiote who reveals his inner beast and finally we will get the on-screen Cap Wolf that this wretched world deserves. I'm in.
Undead Fantasy
Member
This is actually not a bad idea.
Fancyarcher
Member
Sure Sony sure, put it right alongside your other announced spinoffs, that never happened.
That's why they'll never do it right. They won't likely ever let an R rating happen and it'll never be the way it would need to be.
6! we'll have 6 mcu outings
civil war
homecoming
iw1
iw2
homecoming 2
homecoming 3
then sony can do whatever they want and the mcu will keep on keepin on
he'll have to cut a deal after sm 3 and they better hope they have a decent track record on hand at that point
if venom is at 16% rt and the black and silver movie doesnt take off what will make tom sign on?
Sony has a fetish for Venom, who was shoved into Spiderman 3.
Venom is also a very big 90s edge. I like the character but not sure Sony will do a great job in film.
Dude Abides
Banned
Maybe make a good movie before you start wanking about your stupid "universe."
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Spider-Man comics weren't the greatest in the 90s. Actually, they were mostly trash aside from a few exceptions. Not that you can't tell good stories with these characters (many writers have from what I understand) but Carnage and Venom carry a stigma of 90s edginess for certain readers.
Sony, stop. Please, just fucking stop.
This would actually be a good idea, so it will never happen.
May include?
This would actually be a good idea, so it will never happen.
RipperGrim
Member
So is Spiderman not in future marvel movies after homecoming? I'm so confused with whatever the hell Sony is trying to do here. I wish it was completely in Marvel's hands.
Carnage in a kids movie
They said they're aiming for R with Venom
Venom was a stand in for the Vulture. The reason why his inclusion into the story is so sloppy because the story was literally written without him. They removed the Vulture stuff (who would've also been a thinly developed character, but it's Vulture so who cares) and added Venom in his place, who needs a hell of a lot more set up -- like you said, that means introducing Eddie, introducing the symbiote, etc. But none of that really touches the decision to give Harry amnesia or make Sandman killer, which were always Raimi's ideas to reopen some of the relationships and motivations from the first movie. It seems perfectly fair to me to judge the elements of the film that had nothing to do with Venom when, in the case of both Harry and Sandman, we knew those were Raimi's ideas right from the start.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Spider-Man will be in a sequel movie and Avengers 3 and 4. Maybe others. There will most likely be a third film after Homecoming's sequel.
The Sony-made spinoffs will feature Tom Holland's Spider-Man so they technically take place in the same universe but do not expect them to reference the wider MCU and vice-versa. To the rest of the MCU those movies may as well not exist.
Mix Master
Member
Jesus Christ. Just kill this shit already.
Sony is going to fatigue the entire aundience. Jesus.
Sony is going to fatigue the entire aundience. Jesus.
Laplasakos
Member
Nah, having Carnage in Spider Man 2 would be way too early. Probably in Spider Man 3 with Spider Man 4 having Spider-Carnage and multiverse Peter Parkers by bringing Maguire and Garfield back.
Liliana Eileen
Member
MegaManTrigger
Banned
Sony
yanipheonu
Member
ZeroGravity
Member
You can call them what they are: Hollywood fanfiction.
thats exactly what they are
as far as i'm concerned, spidey & his cast will be in 6 movies and thats it
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Even being forced to include Venom he could have done himself the decency of directing a decent film.
Also the janitor's dog's movie (stretched thin into a trilogy halfway through production).
Generic Power Ranger
Member
Sounds great, though I'd preferred if they had continued the amazing spiderman series.. At least rounded off the trilogy so they could have closed some of their multi movie story lines.
But come on. A tom hardy venom with carnage has potential. I hope they turn out great
But come on. A tom hardy venom with carnage has potential. I hope they turn out great
WordAssassin
Member
Oh my god I would be so down for this. Who would be playing who??
Can Nathan Lane sing in it?? Please???
djplaeskool
Member
Soon...
i chuckled. then i realized just how terrible what you said was
Ocarina_117
Banned
Just stop, please.
Ugh. I know. Sony is so stupid most of the time