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Sony: "Acquisition of Bungie Represents a Major Step Forward in Becoming More Multiplatform"

kyliethicc

Member
So MS wins market share in one quarter even though they ahve been shipping day one PC games for close to five years is evidence enough for Jimbo? or myabe it was because Series S was the most widely available console this holiday season and has reportedly outsold the playstation in the last few months? Meaning more consumers on consoles = more revenue. Which again points to just how important it is to sell consoles in order to keep players in your eco systme.
But it shows consoles with no exclusives can still sell.

Why is Jimbo not looking at the last 10 years of Sony first party exclusives helping them gain enough goodwill to take Sony from third place to first place in a matter of a gen? A gen where they won 4 GOTY awards in 7 years and were runner up in the other two years. How is that not evidence that exclusives matter?
I’m sure Sony still wants to win GOTYs. Their story games will still have very high budgets.

Idk if Jimbo would see any connection between the critical acclaim of their prestige games and locking them to a platform.

I think the fact that MS has been shipping games on PC for 5 years and are still in third place or rather were until the last quarter until they finally sold some series s consoles should be a good indicator of why consoles are more important than PC. They wouldnt have released a cheaper console if they thought porting games to PC was enough.
I’m not saying it will work by the way.

I’m saying I can picture the suits like Jimbo, and the Sony Corp suits above him thinking this way.

It can seem like a gamble to sorta have their cake and eat it, but idk it’s possible to work.
 

Holammer

Member
Elden Ring on PC accounted for 44% of total sales. Only a fool would ignore such a market and Sony are in the business of making money.
Nintendo however are 'tarded. If the next hardware bombs again, maybe they'll finally get on the PC ride.
 

Neofire

Member
So MS wins market share in one quarter even though they ahve been shipping day one PC games for close to five years is evidence enough for Jimbo? or myabe it was because Series S was the most widely available console this holiday season and has reportedly outsold the playstation in the last few months? Meaning more consumers on consoles = more revenue. Which again points to just how important it is to sell consoles in order to keep players in your eco systme.

Why is Jimbo not looking at the last 10 years of Sony first party exclusives helping them gain enough goodwill to take Sony from third place to first place in a matter of a gen? A gen where they won 4 GOTY awards in 7 years and were runner up in the other two years. How is that not evidence that exclusives matter?

I think the fact that MS has been shipping games on PC for 5 years and are still in third place or rather were until the last quarter until they finally sold some series s consoles should be a good indicator of why consoles are more important than PC. They wouldnt have released a cheaper console if they thought porting games to PC was enough.
As much as I hate Jim's strategy. Your statement is completely spot on. People look like Sony putting games on the Playstation is a win for them, no it's a win for PC gamers because Playstation and it's fans were doing just fine we'll before they started porting some of their 1st party games to PC.
 
And they will make even more money going multiplat. All the things you mentioned are new ways of making more money. Of course they would make more profits than times ago. During the PS2 era, they had no such revenue generators like digital sales and PS+ subs.

If everyone went PC Sony would not be making as much money
 

SlimySnake

Member
But it shows consoles with no exclusives can still sell.


I’m sure Sony still wants to win GOTYs. Their story games will still have very high budgets.

Idk if Jimbo would see any connection between the critical acclaim of their prestige games and locking them to a platform.


I’m not saying it will work by the way.

I’m saying I can picture the suits like Jimbo, and the Sony Corp suits above him thinking this way.

It can seem like a gamble to sorta have their cake and eat it, but idk it’s possible to work.
Yeah Im not saying you think it will work, im just pointing out that Jimbo is wrong to think it might work. You are 100% spot on about it being a gamble. These suits make these gambles all the time. MS with kinect and tv tv, and Gamepass. Gamepass paid off and they seem to be doing fine, but kinect and tv didnt. I just dont think they need to gamble away this incredible formula that has worked for 3 decades and has made them more revenue than it ever has.

Gambling is for people in last place. Dont fix what aint broken.
 

IntentionalPun

Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Yeah Im not saying you think it will work, im just pointing out that Jimbo is wrong to think it might work. You are 100% spot on about it being a gamble. These suits make these gambles all the time. MS with kinect and tv tv, and Gamepass. Gamepass paid off and they seem to be doing fine, but kinect and tv didnt. I just dont think they need to gamble away this incredible formula that has worked for 3 decades and has made them more revenue than it ever has.

Gambling is for people in last place. Dont fix what aint broken.
You do realize they can just...

At any time...

Stop releasing games on PC..
 

kyliethicc

Member
Yeah Im not saying you think it will work, im just pointing out that Jimbo is wrong to think it might work. You are 100% spot on about it being a gamble. These suits make these gambles all the time. MS with kinect and tv tv, and Gamepass. Gamepass paid off and they seem to be doing fine, but kinect and tv didnt. I just dont think they need to gamble away this incredible formula that has worked for 3 decades and has made them more revenue than it ever has.

Gambling is for people in last place. Dont fix what aint broken.
Yeah it’s the issue with corporations’ obsession with constant growth.
 
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midnightAI

Neo Member
We already knew this, Bungie are a multi platform studio.

Until a PS Studios game comes day and date on PlayStation and PC then PS Studios games will launch on PlayStation and be release on PC many months/years down the line. All other speculation is just that, speculation.
 
Sony is literally telling you that they are going multiplatform. They are telling you that there are going to be no more AAA exclusives from PS Studios.

The writing has been on the wall for quite awhile slowly warming people to the idea

You both have this so wrong it hurts. That is not what Sony is saying. Believe it or not, there have been Sony games on platforms like PC since the '90s. Wipeout was ported to Saturn, N64 and PC after going on PS, but the caveat was Psygnosis being a publisher at the time they were acquired and having existing contracts to fulfill.

Saying there aren't going to be any AAA exclusives from PS Studios should really at least clarify what you mean by "exclusive". If that means games which will 100% stay locked on PS consoles forever, then that could be understandable. We could be at a point where by the end of this generation every 1P PS5 game has been ported to PC at some point in time.

But if you want to say that 1P Sony games will be coming Day 1 to PC, just stop for a minute and think about that. What sense would that make to do so for ALL of their 1P games off the bat? Why not just reserve that for the live-service titles, where if you're considering porting them to PC, makes sense to do Day 1 so the communities can start at the same level across both platforms? Even then, they might just limit that to Bungie's titles for the time being.

You need to slow your roll even further if you suddenly think this means a bucketload of more Sony games going to Xbox or Switch in the near future because again, logically, there's no reason to assume that. Why rush to that type of action, which could cripple their install base revenue on their own console (hardcore/core gaming fans deciding to buy the Sony games on PC/Xbox/Switch instead of PS and taking their 3P sales/MTX/DLC purchasing into other ecosystems outside of PS as well), when it is far more logical to be selective on that front? There's a reason why MLB The Show is on Xbox and Switch, even aside the MLB League's say. Sports games aren't seen as a representation of the marquee of PS's 1P brand, and on systems like Xbox, they sell very well. So there's little risk in bringing that to other consoles.

God of War or Xbox or Switch, OTOH? That could easily kill the prestige of Sony's marquee 1P software branding in terms of that bolstering the PlayStation brand, which could cause notable revenue drops to both 1P and 3P sales on PlayStation devices that could create a net loss situation for them in the long term, especially if they were to bring such games to other platforms and ecosystems where they have to give up a big chunk of the profit anyway to whoever owns that platform or storefront. So there's literally no logical reason to assume that is the most likely outcome of these statements, or the path they are ultimately trying to take.

At least, not without having some way to own the platform or storefront those titles go to. But even outside that, they have to consider how those types of moves affect 3P partners as well. If a 3P dev has a game where 70% of the audience is on PS, and 50% of that audience also buy heavily into Sony 1P...if Sony put those 1P on PC/Xbox/Switch Day 1 they lose a big chunk of people buying it on their console, and that 3P game suddenly sees 40% drop in sales on PS because 40% of that audience were also Sony 1P buyers now taking their purchases outside of PlayStation...what if that 3P game mainly sold so well on PS because it was in a vacuum on that platform and solidified itself within that vacuum? But the Sony players now buying that Sony game on PC or Xbox or Switch Day 1, have an option very similar to that 3P game causing them to buy that instead?

Can you see how Sony making such a move can also negatively impact 3P partners too? Temper your expectations when it comes to Sony 1P multiplatform support this gen, if you think it means PC Day 1 for all games, let alone Microsoft/Nintendo Day 1 for their games. They're most likely going to limit that to Bungie's games, MLB The Show and some of their GaaS live-service titles at most, and I don't expect ports of 1P games to PC to shorten much at all, or even all 1P games this gen to get ported to PC at all.

Nope. Only Bungie titles will release on Xbox. The rest will be either PS exclusive, mobile, PC, or all three.

Well, also MLB The Show will be on Xbox (and Switch). Depending on if certain publishers are acquired by Sony going forward a few more games could remain multiconsole as well, but that would depend on the publisher.

And in terms of live-service games I agree it'll mostly be Bungie in terms of console releases. The others will likely stay PS/PC (and maybe some mobile). I don't expect a single 1P single-player style AAA game to be Day 1 on PC or go to any other console, nor would that be the smartest thing for them to do business-wise. They'll likely never formally commit to a porting roadmap so don't expect all 1P PS5 games ported to PC, either. Some will get ported but I expect the window of porting will be 1-2 years at minimum, longer in some cases.

They'll exhaust all sales and revenue options for those games on PS consoles and services (using those games to boost subscription numbers) before finally bringing them to PC (again, if they go to PC. Depends on the game).
 

ChiefDada

Member
I am still warmed to this. It will impact the quality of their games (Sony being multiplatform). it's inevitable.

That's not what this is saying. Everyone knows people gravitate towards Sony consoles because of their exclusives. This will continue. It's just development has gotten so expensive
As much as I hate Jim's strategy. Your statement is completely spot on. People look like Sony putting games on the Playstation is a win for them, no it's a win for PC gamers because Playstation and it's fans were doing just fine we'll before they started porting some of their 1st party games to PC.

You ever heard the term "past performance isn't indicative of future results"? Your claim that PS was doing just fine refers to a period where the industry was more fragmented. Sony is looking forward and adapting to industry consolidation by participating. When your competitor purchases the publisher of one of the top selling gaming franchises that has historically kept your first party development afloat financially (MS/Activision/CoD), the only solution to compete is buying large multiplatform publishers of your own and expanding audience reach, as Sony is doing now. Game development has gotten too expensive to double down on AAA PS exclusives alone. And THAT is why this strategy is a positive for both PS and PC gamers.
 
And they will make even more money going multiplat. All the things you mentioned are new ways of making more money. Of course they would make more profits than times ago. During the PS2 era, they had no such revenue generators like digital sales and PS+ subs.

That really depends on what you mean when you say "going multiplat". You guys underestimate how much money people who buy 1P games on platforms like PlayStation, actually put into the ecosystem. Between buying the 1P games, also buying 3P games on the platform, spending money on DLC & MTX for the 3P games, subscribing to services like PS+, etc. Last fiscal year 1P games accounted for 18.5% of all PS revenue, the rest from 3P games. However, a lot of the people who made up that 18.5% would also make up a likely more significant portion of the 82.5% in 3P revenue, since they probably tend to spend more anyway than the typical gamer.

If the people who put into those 1P games realize they can just buy them on PC instead (as an example), then they will do so, and they will also most likely take the rest of their revenue with them to PC, away from PlayStation. That means less PS+ subscriptions, less 3P sales revenue, less revenue from 3P DLC/MTX on the platform, and less profit for Sony from games sold on Steam because they have to pay Valve a 30% fee for every copy sold on the storefront (versus on PS where Sony would retain 100% of the profit from that same 1P game on their own platform's digital storefront).

I'm not actually against the idea of more 1P games going to PC; I think it's inevitable. But I'm not with the idea that they're suddenly going to put all of their 1P games Day 1 on PC or significantly shorten the release windows between PS and PC for that. And it's crazy to think there are people believing they will bring bucketloads more of their 1P games to other consoles (at least, the PS Studios games). Can't see that happening unless they end up buying another major publisher who already did a lot of releases on other platforms, like Square-Enix, where it would not make sense to suddenly cut Nintendo out of the picture.

"Going multiplat" could mean a lot of things, the problem is different people have different definitions for that and maybe more clarification outright would be useful. Because in specific contexts, "going multiplat" seems agreeable. In other contexts, "going multiplat" sounds flat-out illogical and insensible.
 

yurinka

Member
You keep believing that fantasy of yours.:messenger_tears_of_joy:
Sony always said, and multiple times, they won't their PS Studios games day one on PC and didn't release any of their games day one on PC until now. They never said that will release their new games day one on PC. These are facts, if you believe the opposite then you're believing in fantasy.

Same goes with Bungie, since the day they announced the acquisition they said multiple times that future Bungie games will continue being full multiplatform including rival consoles since launch day. These are facts. So if you believe Sony will make Bungie full or timed exclusives you're believing in fantasy.
 

Metnut

Member
Sony’s GAAS will hit multiplatform pretty fast. Sony’s GOTY type single player games will still hit PC years later (if at all).
 

yurinka

Member
So MS wins market share in one quarter
It only means that for some reason that quarter MS received more chips than Sony. It's an isolated case, an exception. Specially when they solve chips shortage PS5 sales will go back to destroy them in sales.

Sony’s GAAS will hit multiplatform pretty fast. Sony’s GOTY type single player games will still hit PC years later (if at all).
Destiny 2 and MLB22 already are multiplatform. Next MLB and next Bungie games will also be multiplatform. PC will get some old game ports more making these games multiplatform. That's all.

PS Studio games will continue being PS exclusive and only some of them (old ones) will be ported to PC pretty likely months after their PS5 remaster, remake or patch.
 
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Neofire

Member
That's not what this is saying. Everyone knows people gravitate towards Sony consoles because of their exclusives. This will continue. It's just development has gotten so expensive


You ever heard the term "past performance isn't indicative of future results"? Your claim that PS was doing just fine refers to a period where the industry was more fragmented. Sony is looking forward and adapting to industry consolidation by participating. When your competitor purchases the publisher of one of the top selling gaming franchises that has historically kept your first party development afloat financially (MS/Activision/CoD), the only solution to compete is buying large multiplatform publishers of your own and expanding audience reach, as Sony is doing now. Game development has gotten too expensive to double down on AAA PS exclusives alone. And THAT is why this strategy is a positive for both PS and PC gamers.
Your opinion is the only thing you are entitled to but I wholeheartedly disgee that Sony's strategy currently will benefit the Playstation platform users. PC gamers have the only plus side to what is being done with the cheaper and superior versions. On top of games like Destiny 2 being free to play online unlike on Sony's own platforms.

You can spew that word salad all you want but luckily I know the History of Playstation and what has worked for them.
 

OsirisBlack

Member
The writing has been on the wall for quite awhile slowly warming people to the idea
You know better than this. Their Gaas games yes. See SFV, Predator hunting grounds, Destiny2. Single player games Uncharted, God of war, Horizin will be going to PC AFTER releasing on whatever Sony console is out and there are a few games that they’re never letting outside of their ecosystem. (We all know which games). There’s a reason they are still buying new studios same as Microsoft. Exclusive content sells hardware even if it’s timed. FFVIIR still isn’t on Xbox consoles and I doubt it will be until Remake part 2 is out if even then. Same with people holding their breath for Starfield on PS5…. Don’t it’s not happening.
 
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HeisenbergFX4

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You know better than this. Their Gaas games yes. See SFV, Predator hunting grounds, Destiny2. Single player games Uncharted, God of war, Horizin will be going to PC AFTER releasing on whatever Sony console is out and there are a few games that they’re never letting outside of their ecosystem. (We all know which games). There’s a reason they are still buying new studios same as Microsoft. Exclusive content sells hardware even if it’s timed. FFVIIR still isn’t on Xbox consoles and I doubt it will be until Remake part 2 is out if even then. Same with people holding their breath for Starfield on PS5…. Don’t it’s not happening.
We can just agree to disagree as I am quite certain as long as Jimbo is running the ship their eventual goal is releasing their first party titles on PC day one

If eventually everything is on pc day and date….what reason is there to own a PlayStation or Xbox?
Cost and convenience on buying a box plugging it into your TV and never worrying about it

I know a lot of gamers who will never invest in a PC
 
We can just agree to disagree as I am quite certain as long as Jimbo is running the ship their eventual goal is releasing their first party titles on PC day one


Cost and convenience on buying a box plugging it into your TV and never worrying about it

I know a lot of gamers who will never invest in a PC

Cost is not a factor if you were going to buy two different systems and now only need to buy a PC
 

OmegaSupreme

advanced basic bitch
We can just agree to disagree as I am quite certain as long as Jimbo is running the ship their eventual goal is releasing their first party titles on PC day one


Cost and convenience on buying a box plugging it into your TV and never worrying about it

I know a lot of gamers who will never invest in a PC
I'll be that guy. The upfront cost is an issue for sure but a PC can be very plug and play. You'll want to update drivers and windows every now and again sure but it's a few clicks. Not hard considering all the other benefits.
 

HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
Cost is not a factor if you were going to buy two different systems and now only need to buy a PC
Again I know a lot of gamers who one 1 current gen system and one last gen and would never invest in a PC

I'll be that guy. The upfront cost is an issue for sure but a PC can be very plug and play. You'll want to update drivers and windows every now and again sure but it's a few clicks. Not hard considering all the other benefits.

Oh I 100% agree but then again I have been around computers my entire life

I just game with several guys who want that convenience of sticking that plastic box in their TV stand and not messing with other things including updating drivers.

A lot of guys want to plop down on their couch and push that little button on their controller and everything just works
 

Kssio_Aug

Gold Member
They should work on Killzone IP and come back with the "Halo killer" marketing.

Fox Tv Fire GIF by Bob's Burgers
 
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You know better than this. Their Gaas games yes. See SFV, Predator hunting grounds, Destiny2. Single player games Uncharted, God of war, Horizin will be going to PC AFTER releasing on whatever Sony console is out and there are a few games that they’re never letting outside of their ecosystem. (We all know which games). There’s a reason they are still buying new studios same as Microsoft. Exclusive content sells hardware even if it’s timed. FFVIIR still isn’t on Xbox consoles and I doubt it will be until Remake part 2 is out if even then. Same with people holding their breath for Starfield on PS5…. Don’t it’s not happening.

It should be more than obvious to everyone that Sony's multiplatform strategy is two-pronged. Part of it revolves mainly around live-service, GaaS-style titles. That it's only mainly those games if talking Day 1 between PS and other platforms like PC, Xbox and Switch.

The other part of their multiplatform strategy are late, staggered ports of some 1P non-GaaS/live service titles to PC, usually timed to coincide with upcoming new installments of those IP releasing on PlayStation consoles. They've done that with God of War ahead of Ragnarok coming for PS5 & PS4, for example.

Some folks want to act aloof to it but if there's any 'writing' on the wall WRT Sony's multiplatform strategy, it's most likely this.
 
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HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
Some, sure

But there’d also be a ton that move over to PC

- no ps plus subs
- no royalties from third parties
- less profit for first party

Those consumers on PC now make them much less lonely
100% I am playing them all on PC as I am sure many would

Just saying I still think there is a market for consoles even when (if) this happens
 

OsirisBlack

Member
We can just agree to disagree as I am quite certain as long as Jimbo is running the ship their eventual goal is releasing their first party titles on PC day one


Cost and convenience on buying a box plugging it into your TV and never worrying about it

I know a lot of gamers who will never invest in a PC
I just can’t see Sony spending 30 years in the Industry to just say “fuck it” and self destruct or cannibalize their own name brand. It’s the same as will smith taking 30 years to build his reputation then destroying it in one foolish move. They currently have a very successful but more importantly profitable multi platform strategy. The way they currently release encourages double dipping releasing day and date eliminates that urge for just about everyone save for those with the most expendable income. I do believe most of their games will come out but I can’t see them releasing day and date outside of Gaas games where you want a stronger unified player base.Think CoD/Destiny/SFV basically competitive games. The convenience part I can see as I own everything and my PC is the least or most convenient depending on what day it is.
 
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