Maybe they will have a custom variation thats more affordable.Would using Zen be too expensive?
Maybe they will have a custom variation thats more affordable.Would using Zen be too expensive?
Would using Zen be too expensive?
Would using Zen be too expensive?
FYI I don't own a ps4.
I just think there is no point in spreading false hope. It would be great for Scorpio to be as powerful as possible, I just don't think this is happening. The reasoning makes absolutely no sense.
I will be buying Scorpio day one in any event.
Nothing is too expensive for Microsoft. They will spare no expense, it's too important for them. It's going to be $399 with best specs, take a hit to make the play.
Btw, the impact of 6TF felt lesser every day, it will sound lame at the end of 2017, hope they go higher on that too, maybe 8-10TF, should be no problem with vega.
It's not jaguar
Sorry, I just used PS4 for the hell of it.
I need to ask though, why do you say it is false hope? I would think in this day and age and how fast technology moves that it certainly can be possible. Perhaps, people are thinking that MS will be using the full size Ryzen chip that AMD has been showing. I don't think they are using that part, but perhaps a version of Ryzen that we are not aware of. I don't think someone saying and/or guessing that Zen will be the system is "spreading false hope". If anything, I think those of us that are hoping for Zen are just wanting a kick ass system.
I have a PS4, traded it in for the PS4 Pro..but before the PRO came out, I was hoping that the one insider saying that what he heard that if they were going with a higher end CPU it would be $499.99. I was hoping for that, I wish it had that. There were those that were suggesting it would have that, but they were not labled as people spreading "false hope". I think all of us as gamers would want the best components in the system, but there are also the realities of cost and consumer cost...if it weren't for that, we would all have 24 GB RAM and SSD's in our consoles, but realities is that stuff would not be reasonable.
The point that Phil has said this will be a premium product and that it is a late 2017 System, I just don't see them using cutting edge GPU, Memory, High Bandwidth and like others says cripple it with a 2013 CPU.
Again sorry for painting you as PS4 fan boy though! Perhaps instead of saying that people wishing for Zen or Zen variant will be in tears if it does not have it, you could have said "I don't believe it will have Zen, I wish it would, but I personally don't think it will have it due to xxxx and xxxxxx and xxxx". The "be in tears" just sounded like bait/fanboy type of drivel.
Lets look at what they promised so far.
Could have a 6tf, 320GBps memory bandwidth machine been avaiable during holiday 2016?
If yes - what could be the possible specs?
If no - what do we need to get AMD up to those specs?
Or is the only 'plausible' reason ms waiting a year was for VEGA, because it wasnt avail in 2016?
$200 RX 480 has 5.5TF now.
They'd probably pay, what, $100-120 for one?
Well no they wouldn't buy the VRAM for it, it'd have to be a custom version on the same die.I dont think the 480 has 320gbps of mem bandwidth in any mem config i think.
Well no they wouldn't buy the VRAM for it, it'd have to be a custom version on the same die.
So then they could have had a machine in 2016 with the available hardware right now.
So lets figure out why they would wait a year? That is the kink in this whole debacle.
Games not ready for scorpio?
Perhaps vega gpu?
Perhaps zen like cpu?
The more i think about it... i could almost see that the main reason is because of launch timing with games to reflect the power of scorpio. That would make me kind of sad if that was the main reason and not due to new tech available in 2017 like vega/zen.
I'm all for a more powerful system here. What proof do we have at this point however?
The CEO has already confirmed that semi custom chips aren't coming this year - yet she's labelled a liar.
But when a picture of the scorpio is sitting at an AMD table at a trade show - that somehow negates what the CEO of the company said? I am not saying it will be equipped with Jaguar, clearly it won't.
It's just getting tiring seeing this poster ignore everyone else's well supported arguments and stretch everything he or she reads to shape what they want to see.
It's not jaguar
No matter how often this gets repeated here on gaf, she never did that!The CEO has already confirmed that semi custom chips aren't coming this year - yet she's labelled a liar.
Nothing is too expensive for Microsoft. They will spare no expense, it's too important for them. It's going to be $399 with best specs, take a hit to make the play.
I'm relieved to see your expectations aren't too crazyNothing is too expensive for Microsoft. They will spare no expense, it's too important for them. It's going to be $399 with best specs, take a hit to make the play.
Btw, the impact of 6TF felt lesser every day, it will sound lame at the end of 2017, hope they go higher on that too, maybe 8-10TF, should be no problem with vega.
Man, every time I go into a Scorpio thread you are there saying the exact same thing over and over again.
We heard you, you dont believe its gonna be zen.
I'm thinking Scorpio will use semi custom Vega 10 with some features from Navi (like PS4 Pro uses features beyond Polaris).
PS5 / XBNext will either use Navi, or maybe if a GPU architecture comes to light after Navi (like Vega did right after Polaris), they will use that in 2020, depending on the timing of AMD's roadmap and the timing of future consoles.
Polaris got some features from Vega cause Vega comes out this year and Pro launched in November.
If Navi comes out in 2019, i don't think AMD are gonna have Navi customizations 2 years ahead of their own product line in Scorpio...or am i wrong about that?
Navi comes out in 2018 apparently, so it isn't unfeasible that Scorpio might have some features from it. It all depends on what MS wants.
A lot of thread shitting in here.
I will say that if MS just goes for a better GPU on Scorpio then it's game over. Increased res/effects are not that game changing.
If they use a new CPU that will allow most games to hit 60fps then I think they have a real game changer.
I would like to think that they see that.
Would that really be a game changer with respects to what we understand the console will be? Let me elaborate a bit.
What I don't understand about all of this roundabout discussion regarding the CPU is the fact that MS's underlying strategy with Scorpio - with their explicit reiteration that it is a part of the Xbox One family - does not require a quantum leap in computing power to deliver different experiences. At the moment, it's a console that will deliver the same experiences we have now that will run better and look prettier. The already-announced graphics processing of this thing certainly seems to be enough to achieve that goal, and would likely allow them to target a somewhat reasonable price-point.
Now, if they were billing this as a true breakaway from the XBO and the start of a new generation in traditional terms, than I completely understand the focus on the CPU. But at the moment, with what we know about the device at the moment, these types of discussions don't seem terribly relevant.
That's of course not to say I wouldn't take a more powerful device with Ryzen - I absolutely would! It just doesn't seem like its in the cards with what we expect the console to be. *shrug*
It's not jaguar
I'm with you, I feel confident it will be Zen.I'm taking one. Give me whatever avatar you guys want if I lose. It's 100% having Zen. Yes, I'm going out on a limb.
I'm with you, I feel confident it will be Zen.
It makes no sense if they take the commercial hit of waiting a year for a slightly boosted GPU. They're waiting on something.
From AMD's point of view, getting an investment from MS to power their new console on their new technology is crucial going forward. When Scorpio will of been initially talked about by MS, AMD will of been doing the hard sell to MS. Which is an easy buy for MS.
With Amy's comment, it can be as simple as that semi-custom Zen isn't available until 2018 because they've only got the capacity in 2017 in their semi-custom production to fulfill the Scorpio orders for launch.
For AMD, MS backing Zen/Vega will be probably the most important thing to them. It will publisize and promote Zen/Vega in the PC market by simply showing what Scorpio can do. Considering Scorpio will be a lower powered version of both varieties.
I'm not sure about what will go in, but I DO remember Spencer specifically going on record to say they wanted to wait for newer tech when planning Scorpio.
Damn, E3 can't come soon enough..
I see we've already forgotten about Matt claiming that developers haven't been briefed about a substantial CPU upgrade at all. But sure.
I'm worried that nothing will be unveiled at E3 and a longer wait ensues. I want to upgrade already.
In this case, I think power consumption and availability of a custom Zen APU are more important factors.Would using Zen be too expensive?
While she did say that, if she was under NDA because the customer (MS) are the ones paying for the part, she would not be in a position to say regardless.
I talked about our Zen roadmap for our products, in terms of desktops, servers and notebooks, but one should expect Zen in our semi-custom roadmap as well as we look beyond 2017 into the 18/19 timeframe, and so we really do view this as developing foundational IP that can go into a number of different markets and we have good prospects in those areas.
Whoa! You actually believe Microsoft would dare even risk not showing anything about Project Scorpio at this E3? Listen, we may as well call Microsoft's entire E3 show Project Scorpio because it's going to soak up all the oxygen in the room. They are not only going to show it, they are going to drop a whole stack of them from the roof of the Galen Center and pray none of the fans seated below get hurt, just in case there's any confusion as to what their E3 is going to be about.
I'm with you, I feel confident it will be Zen.
It makes no sense if they take the commercial hit of waiting a year for a slightly boosted GPU. They're waiting on something.
While she did say that, if she was under NDA because the customer (MS) are the ones paying for the part, she would not be in a position to say regardless..
Neither Sony or Nintendo would ever comment on rumours like this, why would Microsoft.I posted this in another thread, but perhaps with this being out there, true or not and more stuff being speculated on other web sites it will put some pressure on both AMD/MS to possibly say something earlier than they had planned. I doubt it would force anyone's hand, but if was something that so definitely was going to be a NO in relationship to using ZEN, then they could just say:
"We are not using Zen, but stay tuned to further information in regards to Scorpio".
Some may think the longer they say nothing may lend credence that perhaps they are using Zen or some version of Zen. I am NOT suggesting that they will be using ZEN for the record, I am keeping an open mind to it or some variation of it, but not holding my breath nor will I cry if it does not have ZEN..lol.
It is just interesting that this story is gaining traction and the more traction it has, the more pressure perhaps falls on AMD/MS to possibly say something.
I dont understand the need to go all out specs-wise for a same gen refresh, unless MS wants to blur the lines between generations, and making the Xbox games compatibility works like mobile phone gaming.
Did anyone take you up on this yet? If not I'll take you up on it. Just for fun.I'm taking one. Give me whatever avatar you guys want if I lose. It's 100% having Zen. Yes, I'm going out on a limb.
If semi custom not ready for 2017, Scorpio can use none custom desktop/laptop Zen CPU.