Hopefully Nintendo. Or rather some people at Nintendo.
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RUMOR: NX more powerful than PS4, Splatoon/Mario Maker ports in development
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Ah ok, makes sense.
I hope that we get word on the reveal date in the next couple weeks.
I'd like to know too. "Still good" still sounds, well, good and didn't even give off an air that it will be as low as some might think. We were all just aiming too high.
Okay, well some then. I still kept firmly in my mind that it would at the very least be parity even though there was all this discussion about Polaris.
Kissenkopf
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But I thought Nintendo "has no fucking clue what they are doing".
There are dozens of different dev-kits of the NX out there in the wild and just one is real. DOZENS!
chaosblade
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Fiji? Or GCN 1.2? Because Fiji is the Fury which NX is obviously nowhere near. Being GCN 1.2 based is not unreasonable though, but I'd be extremely surprised if they matched PS4 specs with that.
I'm expecting them to target 30fps because all of the other console 3D Zelda games were that excluding the N64 games which were 17-20. In this situation they probably could bump up the FPS, but I think they will focus on the visuals.
AcademicSaucer
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Touché lolBut I thought Nintendo "has no fucking clue what they are doing".
There are dozens of different dev-kits of the NX out there in the wild and just one is real. DOZENS!
Maybe NX is running the engineers instead of the engineers running its development.
lwilliams3
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You may want to ask the mods about that now just in case
True, and it was one of the biggest complaints with the Wii U as well.
Vanillalite
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I was just pointing out this type of thing has happened in the console space before.
1080/30 is a given imo. The real question is how much better it will look overall.
So... I just realized that none of this really changes my range of hopes and expectations lol. My true "expectation" was nothing more than "enough power for most third-party ports" though, with my absolute hope ceiling being 50% more powerful than PS4 and my expected range being from 1.1x XBone to 1.1x PS4.
You're not helping him. :V
Indeed, but times have changed. It's going to affect price/performance if they do it now. I think it would be a mistake.
You're not helping him. :V
Indeed, but times have changed. It's going to affect price/performance if they do it now. I think it would be a mistake.
Schnozberry
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You reported it as rumors and you at least made an attempt to get it run by the mods. I don't think you did anything wrong here. You just reported what you heard.
People's expectations are going to go crazy no matter what. It's the hype cycle of pretty much every console release. Hell, it took months for people to realize that the CPU in the PS4 and XB1 was a bit of a dumpster fire even after it was revealed. Gamers are prone to believe that console manufacturers and AMD have found a way to circumvent the laws of physics, economics, and thermodynamics until proven otherwise with shitty framerates.
Smiles and Cries
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I liked 10k's rumors better
this good specs thing is eh meh
this good specs thing is eh meh
I laughed at this more than I should have.
Fredrik
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Heh
But seriously, I'd say it's a bit too much back and forth now and it's best to just lay low until the real reveal. The wait will soon be over and even though Nintendo never release specs we'll at least debating about the power based on how demos look at not just guessing wildly.
What's the assumed latest date they can reveal the console? On stage at E3?
Schnozberry
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I don't know how anyone complains if this ends up happening.
People will complain no matter what.
Meesh
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K, but what's the gimmick? I missed it I think. I'm fine with the specs though.
Edit: still just the controller or...
lwilliams3
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What is considered to be "good" though?
It should be noted that 2x PS4 would be close to 4TFLOPS, so it is best for someone to shut that thought down.
And no matter what happens, people aren't going to care a day or two after knowing the truth. Don't fear disappointment. Embrace it and enjoy the ride. Expect that you might be disappointed, and then you'll handle the disappointment better without having to be a negative nancy.
Unless you're in the PS4k thread, though. Those guys need to calm the fuck down. They at least have a point of reference that they could be using! But I digress...
You clearly haven't been paying attention. People think it'll be a repeat of Wii U if it doesn't match or beat PS4k. It's largely due to the fact that people are expecting a half-gen leap with that instead of something reasonable though.
3DS was exactly what everyone expected... Hell, it was better than I expected with how amazing some games look.
evilromero
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We know history and history has taught us that Nintendo dropped the ball two times before with the 3DS and Wii U in terms of delivering on expectations of a high powered platform and third party support.
Fahzgoolin
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10k you won't get banned.
Schnozberry
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Undoubtedly true, but PS4's specs aren't bad for 1080p aside from the CPU, which is sounds like Nintendo is improving upon.
UnemployedVillain
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Edit: I'm going to redo this. I don't think the numbers I looked up were accurate at all now that I'm looking back at them lol
Referring to only resolution is not accurate. It needs context. Also, CPU does not really affect resolution at all.
That can't be right lol. Oh wow just looked it up. It looks like another source said 115 though.
No, that's not how it works. It means with the new architecture, API, optimizations and higher specs the game could end up doing twice as many things on the screen (double the framerate, or more AA, more particles, longer draw distance, better texture and shadow resolutions, etc.) Nintendo could put out a 2TFLOPS GPU at 14nm and still get 2x the performance of the stock ps4.
Schnozberry
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Yeah, I think people have become as much or more unhinged about the PS4K than people are about the NX.
Nobody is leaving behind the 50 million people that own an XB1 or PS4. It would be ludicrous to expect a user migration at this point in the lifecycle. With how long it takes to make AAA games with premium fidelity, it doesn't even feel like the libraries have really even been fleshed out yet.
Zelda NX will be 1080/30fps.
That's about the only thing I'm confident about these days.
30 fps is fine for zelda regardless.
pizzapizza64
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Trying to follow everything but I can't find these latest rumors. Can someone link me to the post? :/
Honestly, I think there's something to an underpowered (but not extremely underpowered) console if it doesn't have an expensive "gimmick," (or a gimmick at all) and is easy to develop for. Nintendo could basically market it as a cheaper alternative to the PS4/X1 if it's efficiently designed to keep costs down. I don't know if they'll do this though. I don't know wtf they'll do.
chaosblade
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115? Pretty sure that isn't right either.
IIRC the 360 GPU was capable of about 240 GFLOPS and the PS3 GPU was about 220 GFLOPs.
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http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/1919/xbox-360-gpu - 240
http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/1682/rsx-reality-synthesizer - 400, lol. Doesn't remotely reflect actual performance.
I personally feel everything should be 60 FPS. That's just how I like 'em. If there's performance room for it, I want Zelda NX to be 1080p/60.
Napalm_Frank
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If NX falls short on power Microsoft will probably be able to make a big power gap to the competitors with a new gen console relatively soon if they want to. I'm just wondering if they have the balls to go straight to Xbox Two or whatever in 2017/2018. I just wonder if they are able to keep full BC with Xbox One games without it being an issue.
wonderful103
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You were probably looking at the CPU. Xenos is a 240 GFLOP chip. Also, Wii U might have been half of what you said, since there was debate over if it had 320SPs or 160SPs.
The difference wouldn't be that huge. 3TFLOPs maybe.
All of this just proves that you all need to stop using FLOPs.
That would be hilariously suicidal.
UnemployedVillain
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Yeah, more checking and these are the right numbers. I was accidentally mixing CPUs and GPUs. My bad (well, IGNs, sort of). But anyway, the Wii U being 352 puts it at 1.47x and 1.6x, respectively. So my point was something approaching 2x isn't completely out of the realm of possibility, especially if Nintendo eases up on their power (wattage) restrictions
Basically FLOPS aren't the best way of comparing architectures
No, the Wii U numbers were definitely right since that's the value seen on a number of different sources, including this one which seems to have pretty comprehensive specs on the GPU
I don't think we'll ever see a 60 FPS 3D console Zelda.
Ok looks like the 115 number is for the cpu. That 77 number was on an ign artcile though lol. Just saw it.
I love that game, it better be on NX Virtual Console.
I would definitely not go so far as to say "no Gamepad".
So every decision that's ever made has to be a replication of past decisions? Hmmm... how different the world would look if that were the case.
I gotta say, I was pretty "whatever" about that. If it was in, I would have been fine with it, but I certainly wouldn't have ever used it.
And I feel pretty assured that 10k's source was making statements conflating such a feature as "THE" gimmick from the outset, so I feel pretty good about things right now.
Basically. And to no surprise whatsoever, one of the first to take the swing at thin air was AzaK.
You must constantly have a nosebleed from the heights you have to climb in order to look down on people in this thread all the time the way that you do.
Yeah, this is what getting whipped up in spec-talk for hardware that doesn't exist gets you: nowhere. And it happens every time, in and out of the video game industry, to the point where it's really a wasted exercise. But some people just can't help themselves, I guess.
For you, perhaps. I'm kind of done with 30fps gaming, personally.
Schnozberry
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CPU affects frame rates. The PS4 GPU is plenty capable at 1080p, but developers are having to port code over to the GPU to make up for the lack of CPU grunt. If this code could run on the CPU you'd have more GPU power available to push more frames. I think Sony and Microsoft did ok for their power and thermal envelopes in 2012 when the consoles were designed, but Nintendo could do much better in 2015 if they chose to.
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