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[Bo_Hazem]

Game​	PS5​	Xbox Series X​
Control Ultimate Edition	25.7​	43.6​
Hitman 3	61.9​	64.9*​
Subnautica	3.8​	8.3​
Crash Bandicoot 4	20.0​	22.2*​
Tony Hawk	23.3​	22.0*​
Marvel’s Avengers	74.1​	116.6​
AC Valhalla	41.8​	72.1*​
Watch Dogs Legion	50.6​	61.1​
Immortals Fenyx Rising	22.3​	32.9​
Borderlands 3	49.6*​	63.8​
Dirt 5	50.9​	63.3​
Mortal Shell	4.6​	8.6​
NBA 2K21*	96.6*​	106.6*​
Total	524.4GB* (out of 667GB)​	684GB* (out of 802GB)​

*Updated data provided in the replies here.

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Kraken compression combined with Oodle Texture is showing great benefits on PS5 so far, even surpassing expectations by turning around the table making it have the biggest storage space virtually.

Kraken Vs ZLIB: 29% Smaller Game Sizes Losslessly, 297% Faster Decompression on PS5

Kraken VS ZLIB: According to the official graph by RAD Game Tools, Kraken has 29% higher compression ratio over ZLIB (used in PS4 and other platforms), and does it 3-5x faster (doesn't really concern us as gamers, only good for devs). Both Kraken and ZLIB are lossless compressions, meaning data...

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EDIT: Deleted Series S as some games are reported to be smaller than the X version.

 

[Little Chicken]

I'm not sure what noted Reddit user u/pmartinez527 was hoping to prove with a sample size of 12 games.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I'm not sure what noted Reddit user u/pmartinez527 was hoping to prove with a sample size of 12 games.

Read again, little chicken.

 

[Lone Wolf]

Some series S installs are smaller than Series X.

Anyway, PS5 good Xbox bad. Good job Bo. Always on the front lines.

 

[MasterCornholio]

I'm not sure what noted Reddit user u/pmartinez527 was hoping to prove with a sample size of 12 games.

Well they are native games so they are using each systems I/O with the latest compression technology.

Its interesting to see and makes the smaller SSD not seem so bad for the system.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Well they are native games so they are using each systems I/O with the latest compression technology.

Its interesting to see and makes the smaller SSD not seem so bad for the system..

 

[MasterCornholio]

I mean at least it's a fair comparison since it's native games. Which is why I appreciate it.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I mean at least it's a fair comparison since it's native games. Which is why I appreciate it.

Yup, hard data, no speculations as well.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Yup, hard data, no speculations as well.

Fair enough, but don't forget gamers like me have the seagate expansion card giving us more than double the default storage space for Series X titles.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Some series S installs are smaller than Series X.

That would also be nice to see. Basically a list of these 12 game sizes on the XSS.

Fair enough, but don't forget gamers like me have the seagate expansion card giving us more than double the default storage space for Series X titles.

True but that comes at an additional cost. Just like cold storage for the PS5 and the future update for expanding the internal memory. Which would probably be cheaper than the Seagate drive.

 

[Traxtech]

Not everyone can afford to drop such money on extra storage though

 

[too much eslim]

The only thing is the direct storage isn't being used yet for xbox series consoles yet. So yes PS5 is taking adavantage of their ssd more, but The series consoles haven't even started to make use of it. I think PS5 may still have smaller games but it will not be much going forward.

 

[ZehDon]

I'll be curious if it holds true once we're into pure "next gen only" territory. We've already seen Sony's new compression setup applied to PS4 games to great results; does Microsoft's touted Velocity Architecture need specialised implementation, or are we seeing compression ratios that will hold across the generation? And on that note, could Sony's 1st party devs drive the file size down even lower once they've got a handle on the PS5's IO setup?

 

[MasterCornholio]

The only thing is the direct storage isn't being used yet for xbox series consoles yet. So yes PS5 is taking adavantage of their ssd more, but The series consoles haven't even started to make use of it. I think PS5 may still have smaller games but it will not be much going forward.

What does Direct Storage have to do with game size? I thought the only reason why the PS5s is smaller is due to the compression used.

 

[BeardGawd]

Interesting and all these have around the same load times no?

Perhaps PS5 games can't use this superior compression and also stream in more data at the same time because the superior compression takes a bit longer to process. So you won't get the faster I/O speeds if the files are using the max compression rate?

Also I'm curious if BCPack is not being used on MS's side due to PC versions not being able to take advantage?

 

[elliot5]

RAD (and now Epic) gonna be making out like bandits if Sony's decision to blanket license Oodle to their developer program creates a defacto standard moving foward. Smart move for them to ensure that compression and the kraken speeds for their platform. Just a shame it's not an open source standard like zLib, though clearly it's more effective right now.

 

[SilentUser]

That's actually very impressive, PS5 games are actually considerable smaller when compared to its peer. Would also like to know how XSS compare

 

[SenjutsuSage]

That would also be nice to see. Basically a list of these 12 game sizes on the XSS.



True but that comes at an additional cost. Just like cold storage for the PS5 and the future update for expanding the internal memory. Which would probably be cheaper than the Seagate drive.

True, additional cost, but this isn't really about cost. And as of now there's no working method to provide more space to install and play PS5 games on Playstation 5. On Series X I have nearly 2TB of playable next gen games space.

That said, the PS5 thanks to its compression architecture is more than making up for the space advantage Series X by default starts with before the seagate expansion, which is damn impressive, and I suspect that's the point of the thread. Solid thread. I think this information is pretty useful.

 

[akaFullmetal]

Very close but Sony edging it out. It's really nice having the extra space even if just a little. Just need to get those NVMe drives going.

 

[FrankWza]

Fair enough, but don't forget gamers like me have the seagate expansion card giving us more than double the default storage space for Series X titles.

 

[MasterCornholio]

True, additional cost, but this isn't really about cost. And as of now there's no working method to provide more space to install and play PS5 games on Playstation 5. On Series X I have nearly 2TB of playable next gen games space.

That said, the PS5 thanks to its compression architecture is more than making up for the space advantage Series X by default starts with before the seagate expansion, which is damn impressive, and I suspect that's the point of the thread. Solid thread. I think this information is pretty useful.

True but it's coming otherwise there wouldn't be a slot for it and it wouldn't be included in the spec sheets. I'm not to worried about the internal storage especially since they recently made cold storage available.

By the time the PS5 gets that update there will be a large selection of drives at many different price points. And I'm not an idiot so I know how to use a screw driver.

 

[Qaloon]

I read the comments in the post. There’s some inconsistent data reported by the OP. It appears they have listed the MS store install size vs. the actual install size of the latest version on the SSD.

Some games like Tony Hawk 1 + 2 are actually 22.0 GB instead of the 31 GB listed according to some posters in the thread (a screenshot proves this in a reply). Hitman 3 was also described as being 65 GB instead of 77.

I also noticed not all native PS5 games that are multi-plat are listed in the sample (NBA 2K21 is a notable omission). To label this list as a comparison of all native PS5 titles is a misnomer by u/pmartinez52.

I’m glad to see that the PS5 compression is making the most out of the space available, but this post lacks attention to detail and is misleading.

EDIT: corrected name of Hitman

 

[SenjutsuSage]

It's about storage space that is capable of playing next gen titles. It's relevant that Xbox Series X currently has an option to more than double its space that can launch and play next gen games. PS5 currently doesn't have any such option, but I do get the point of the thread.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

True but it's coming otherwise there wouldn't be a slot for it and it wouldn't be included in the spec sheets. I'm not to worried about the internal storage especially since they recently made cold storage available.

By the time the PS5 gets that update there will be a large selection of drives at many different price points. And I'm not an idiot so I know how to use a screw driver.

I know it's definitely coming, but just acknowledging that it isn't here yet almost a year after release.

 

[MasterCornholio]

I read the comments in the post. There’s some inconsistent data reported by the OP. It appears they have listed the MS store install size vs. the actual install size of the latest version on the SSD.

Some games like Tony Hawk 1 + 2 are actually 22.0 GB instead of the 31 GB listed according to some posters in the thread (a screenshot proves this in a reply). Hitman 1+ 2 was also described as being 65 GB instead of 77.

I also noticed not all native PS5 games that are multi-plat are listed in the sample (NBA 2K21 is a notable omission). To label this list as a comparison of all native PS5 titles is a misnomer by u/pmartinez52.

I’m glad to see that the PS5 compression is making the most out of the space available, but this post lacks attention to detail and is misleading.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Maybe the list should be updated?

 

[ZehDon]

Interesting and all these have around the same load times no?

Perhaps PS5 games can't use this superior compression and also stream in more data at the same time because the superior compression takes a bit longer to process. So you won't get the faster I/O speeds if the files are using the max compression rate?

Also I'm curious if BCPack is not being used on MS's side due to PC versions not being able to take advantage?

Good questions. If the loading times are the same, then technically the PS5 is actually doing more work faster because of the higher levels of compression it needs to work around. It's also worth remembering that in order to have a comparison at all, the game needs to be on both platforms, so its unlikely we'd be seeing specialised data setups that use everything the PS5's IO setup can do. That'll likely just be the first party titles... which we obviously won't have comparisons for. Of course, with Microsoft's DirectStorage also being available on PCs, multiplat developers will need to work with it for 2 out of the 3 platforms; does this mean they'll make better use of it? I actually don't know.

 

[MasterCornholio]

I know it's definitely coming, but just acknowledging that it isn't here yet almost a year after release.

Didn't the PS5 release in November?

 

[Pallas]

Not surprise by the results when I realized who made the thread, also as someone pointed out already there’s a lack of detail.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Interesting and all these have around the same load times no?

Perhaps PS5 games can't use this superior compression and also stream in more data at the same time because the superior compression takes a bit longer to process. So you won't get the faster I/O speeds if the files are using the max compression rate?

Also I'm curious if BCPack is not being used on MS's side due to PC versions not being able to take advantage?

Well Sony did give out the numbers for decompressing data and they are higher than the Series consoles. That could be due to how strong the decompressor is.

 

[Qaloon]

Thanks for pointing that out.

Maybe the list should be updated?

I think it should. Maybe we can crowd-source some data here to have a more accurate list.

The PS5 versions may still edge out the Series install versions (of which there are two, S and X). But the gap is much more pronounced according to this list.

 

[Entroyp]

Very impressive. Cerny was not fooling around, he knows his shit.

 

[elliot5]

I just found the thread PS5 Game Size Comparison : PS5 (reddit.com) and it seems some people are reporting smaller sizes on Xbox after download/install and some larger on PS5 after download/install. Hard to get a clear picture based on store size vs install size and how much goes into "Other" or language packs or whatnot. It seems PS5 will be smaller in general still, but may not be as drastic.

 

[bentanchorbolt]

Hitman 3 size on Xbox is bullshit. It’s like 64 gigs.

 

[BeardGawd]

Well Sony did give out the numbers for decompressing data and they are higher than the Series consoles. That could be due to how strong the decompressor is.

Yes but the official figures did not take Oodle Texture compression into account. There could presumably be a sweet spot where compression past a certain point takes additional time.

So essentially PS5 devs would have to choose between equal file size to XSX (and faster I/O) or smaller file size (and a similar I/O speed)?

 

[too much eslim]

What does Direct Storage have to do with game size? I thought the only reason why the PS5s is smaller is due to the compression used.

DirectStorage – DirectStorage is an all new I/O system designed specifically for gaming to unleash the full performance of the SSD and hardware decompression. It is one of the components that comprise the Xbox Velocity Architecture. Modern games perform asset streaming in the background to continuously load the next parts of the world while you play, and DirectStorage can reduce the CPU overhead for these I/O operations from multiple cores to taking just a small fraction of a single core; thereby freeing considerable CPU power for the game to spend on areas like better physics or more NPCs in a scene. This newest member of the DirectX family is being introduced with Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S and we plan to bring it to Windows as well.

It is also a part of the compression. Its not being used yet. I'm not guaranteeing this will make the games smaller, but it is not being used at all at the moment so I assume it will help moving forward.

 

[Topher]

DirectStorage – DirectStorage is an all new I/O system designed specifically for gaming to unleash the full performance of the SSD and hardware decompression. It is one of the components that comprise the Xbox Velocity Architecture. Modern games perform asset streaming in the background to continuously load the next parts of the world while you play, and DirectStorage can reduce the CPU overhead for these I/O operations from multiple cores to taking just a small fraction of a single core; thereby freeing considerable CPU power for the game to spend on areas like better physics or more NPCs in a scene. This newest member of the DirectX family is being introduced with Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S and we plan to bring it to Windows as well.

It is also a part of the compression. Its not being used yet. I'm not guaranteeing this will make the games smaller, but it is not being used at all at the moment so I assume it will help moving forward.

It is coming to Windows, but "introduced with Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S". Introduced implies usable. So what is the basis for your assertion it isn't being used yet?

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Didn't the PS5 release in November?

We're closer to 1 year from release than not. Next month officially makes 7 months since release.

 

[MarkMe2525]

Impressive file reduction. Do we know if Sony is still on track to activate the ssd slot this summer?

 

[SenjutsuSage]

It is coming to Windows, but "introduced with Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S". Introduced implies usable. So what is the basis for your assertion it isn't being used yet?

DirectStorage is almost definitely being used. The entire Velocity Architecture that isn't being used, which includes Sampler Feedback Streaming. SFS won't change game sizes, only memory efficiency while playing games. Will be interesting to see what the future holds.

 

[Deleted member 471617]

I don't know how anyone can ever run out of space unless you're constantly playing several massive games daily/weekly. I have 7 games on Xbox Series X and the storage capacity is at 42% as I have over half of the 800GB of SSD storage space available.

PlayStation 5 wise, it's literally one exclusive game at a time so until Ratchet, I have the entire SSD available to me. lol.

 

[SlimySnake]

NBA 2k21 is 96GB on PS5. 121GB on XSX.

 

[kyliethicc]

Good job by Sony to make game sizes smaller. Makes the 825 limit less of an issue than it could be. Funny how the Xbox ends up storing fewer games with a larger drive.

And man the Sbox drive is tiny.

 

[Heisenberg007]

DirectStorage – DirectStorage is an all new I/O system designed specifically for gaming to unleash the full performance of the SSD and hardware decompression. It is one of the components that comprise the Xbox Velocity Architecture. Modern games perform asset streaming in the background to continuously load the next parts of the world while you play, and DirectStorage can reduce the CPU overhead for these I/O operations from multiple cores to taking just a small fraction of a single core; thereby freeing considerable CPU power for the game to spend on areas like better physics or more NPCs in a scene. This newest member of the DirectX family is being introduced with Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S and we plan to bring it to Windows as well.

It is also a part of the compression. Its not being used yet. I'm not guaranteeing this will make the games smaller, but it is not being used at all at the moment so I assume it will help moving forward.

What makes you say that?

 

[Heisenberg007]

PS5 is such a technical marvel! Such an effective and efficient gaming console.

 

[Sanpei]

X is native 4k in most of games

 

[Redlight]

What is the point exactly?

I currently have 23 games on my internal Series X drive and a more than a hundred on the multiple external drives attached to the console.

Given that so many Sony fans are falling over themselves to dismiss Quick Resume, it seems that they don't like to play multiple games at once, so as long as you can fit one game on the PS5 you should be good to go.

 

[Low Moral Fibre]

I’m not sure about how accurate some of these numbers are as the guy pulled them from the store page although PS5 definitely tends to have an advantage overall.

Hitman 3 is 64.9GB with everything installed on XSX not 77.8GB.

Subnautica is 5GB on PS5 not 3.8GB.

Immortals is 30.49GB on PS5 not 22.3GB.

Tony Hawk is 22GB on XSX not 31.9GB.

Valhalla on XSX is right but the PS5 version is apparently 61.5GB not 41.8GB but I cant check that.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

X is native 4k in most of games

Who knew native 4k games take up more space! I thought CB 1800p and native 4k were the exact same storage space so the difference is compression!

Well, you got to win at something making list war X.

At least this comparison is one half step better than that guy a few months ago comparing patch sizes.

 

[Low Moral Fibre]

I also noticed when I was checking installs that PS5 doesn’t install all the language packs and you have to pick them while it seems XSX just installs everything.

This might be less of a hardware advantage due to compression and more a software advantage due to PS5 having a much more sensible way of handling languages.

 

[Neo_game]

X is native 4k in most of games

Game Resolution has nothing to do with file size. Texture size, resolution can matter though. But pretty sure it is same for both. SS I think is having lower quality in some games.