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OzWhere? Australia or Japan?
OzWhere? Australia or Japan?
They sold out all the units of PS5 and Xbox they had for Japan. They didn't sell more due to lack of enough supply because they were releasing this time in more countries, so even if Sony and MS shipped more units in a worldwide scale than they ever did, there were less units available per country -most likely almost everywhere- than before.
Sony expects to outsell with PS5 this fiscal year that ends in March in a worldwide scale the amount of units they sold with PS4 in the same period. Which means PS5 is going to have the best launch ever for a console in gaming history.
And looking at the amount of big exclusives announced in PS5 and Series X|S for 2021, and comparing them to the exclusives PS4 and XBO had its first year, I think that at the end of 2021 PS5 will continue outselling PS4 launch aligned worldwide, and the difference with Xbox I think will be bigger than was back then. Specially if multiplatform games continue performing frequently very similarly or with a lead on PS5 in terms of performance and loading.
Regarding Japan, it's a small market for both MS and Sony, whose main markets are NA and EU.
Outside the covid bump of Q1 & Q2, PS4 was outselling Switch launch aligned due to having an extra Q3, so they have pretty similar sales. But there's a difference regarding their sales curve: PS home consoles are in the market during ~10-12 years, while Wii and the portables are during ~8 years and Nintendo home consoles outside Wii last ~6 years.
This means PS4 will pretty likely outsell Switch in the long run once all is set in stone after their full lifecycle. And PS4 is outselling PS2 launch aligned.
And PS5 seems will outsell PS4 launch aligned during at least the first year.
You seem optimistic when Switch is gonna flew past the PS4 hard come this quarter.Outside the covid bump of Q1 & Q2, PS4 was outselling Switch launch aligned due to having an extra Q3, so they have pretty similar sales. But there's a difference regarding their sales curve: PS home consoles are in the market during ~10-12 years, while Wii and the portables are during ~8 years and Nintendo home consoles outside Wii last ~6 years.
This means PS4 will pretty likely outsell Switch in the long run once all is set in stone after their full lifecycle. And PS4 is outselling PS2 launch aligned.
And PS5 seems will outsell PS4 launch aligned during at least the first year.
Outside the covid bump of Q1 & Q2
He forgot to look at PS4 recent shipments where PS4 is in sharp drop in comparison to PS2 and has much lower peak than Nintendo DS and Wii.You seem optimistic when Switch is gonna flew past the PS4 hard come this quarter.
Btw have you seen Furukawa statements regarding Switch's longetivity, especially when the Switch is a hybrid with a Lite model accompanied?
I’m talking about tech.And McDonands, Disney, KFC, Windows, Starbucks, Domino, and so on...
Why?The pressure is on Microsoft to sell consoles outside of the States.
Before the Q1+Q2, PS4 was outselling Switch launch aligned mostly because its extra Q3 it had at launch. Outside that Q3, PS4 and Switch sold the same.
I'll give you that, you guys are creative.
No, it won't happen. The graphs you post are incomplete, they don't show the whole lifetime of the consoles. All of them make a curve where they basically keep growing during the first years until they reach a peak year, and start decreasing from this peak year until their sunset.Based on the current momentum in the US, Nintendo Switch will surpasses PS4 ltd in the US in December 2021.
The graph I posted above shows the annual sales of the year since 3DS year. You just needed to add those annual sales to get the LTD of those consoles.Before the Q1+Q2, PS4 was outselling Switch launch aligned mostly because its extra Q3 it had at launch. Outside that Q3, PS4 and Switch sold the same.
Before this Q1+Q2, Nintendo scheduled to sell 19M, exactly the same that PS4 sold during that same launch aligned FY. Basically all the gaming/web/tv streaming/internet companies, not only Nintendo, experienced a bump during Q1+Q2. That bump put Switch ~5M above PS5 launch aligned, so Nintendo increased their sales estimation for the current year in 5M.
Nobody, including Nintendo, expected this bump. Increasing their estimation for the FY in only 5M means Nintendo doesn't expect this bump to continue during Q3 and Q4, and to sell during them the same that PS4 sold when launch aligned, what Nintendo had expected to sell this FY before the covid bump.
Another possibility is that Nintendo expects to have more demand than the one they expected before during Q3+Q4, but they can't increase their production in more than the 5M the increased in their estimation for the FY.
No, it won't happen. The graphs you post are incomplete, they don't show the whole lifetime of the consoles. All of them make a curve where they basically keep growing during the first years until they reach a peak year, and start decreasing from this peak year until their sunset.
Everybody including Nintendo expected that Switch's peak year was going to be the previous fiscal year, but due to the unexpected covid bump they increased their prevision so now its peak will be the current fiscal year so it will start decreasing from here as PS4 or all consoles did.
PS4 is repeating almost exactly the same sales curve than PS2. PS4 is on its 8th FY and Sony said they will support it with crossgen games for 3 years more, so it will reach its 11 or 12th year as PS2 did. Looking at previous Nintendo consoles and handhelds, they never lasted that long: portables and Wii lasted around 8FYs (their other home consoles lasted around 6FYs), and this is what I expect it to last, maybe 1 year more (maximum 2).
Again, you are not considering in which point of their life cycle are: Switch has been growing and now it's on its peak year while PS4 is in its decreasing part.With 2 more holiday months(November and December) that Nintendo managed to sell around 4 million units of Switch last year, the gap is shrinking at insane level.
Yes yes the Switch will surely start decreasing in sales, just like last year's statement.Again, you are not considering in which point of their life cycle are: Switch has been growing and now it's on its peak year while PS4 is in its decreasing part.
Obviously during the current year Switch is going to catch up, but after this peak it will start decreasing sales year after year. Switch won't continue growing: its peak year was supposed to be last year -or at least this was Nintendo's idea- but thanks to covid it's going to be this year. But after that it will decrease.
The Japanese are really hot and cold on things.
They used to be massive console gamers, and Japan basically owned the gaming world with Sony, Sega, Nintendo and SNK.
Now it's a ghost house. Wouldn't be surprised if Australia was a bigger market nowadays.
But gaming isn't the only thing the Japanese have done this with.
They used to be the most rabid combat fighting country in the world. K1 was massive. Like sold out stadiums with 80,000 people.
Pride was also massive in the Japan.
Then the Japanese public just lost interest.
Maybe Switch can stay flat, but it won't increase over 2020.Yes yes the Switch will surely start decreasing in sales, just like last year's statement.
BOTW2, MH RISE, new model, new pokemon (every 2-3 years) alone will make next year the peak.
I’m talking about tech.
Nintendo knows when are they going to release each game and before Covid they thought the past FY was going to be its peak year. Now the peak moved to the current one due to covid. That's all.Yes yes the Switch will surely start decreasing in sales, just like last year's statement.
BOTW2, MH RISE, new model, new pokemon (every 2-3 years) alone will make next year the peak.
Give me your reasons.Maybe Switch can stay flat, but it won't increase over 2020.
Just won't happen.
Show me receipts where Nintendo itself said that past FY will be the its peak year, not even their estimates. No company would announce that publicly even for their shareholders. And all predictions points to next year being the peak.Nintendo knows when are they going to release each game and before Covid they thought the past FY was going to be its peak year. Now the peak moved to the current one due to covid. That's all.
Rise will release on March (Nintendo already knew it when they estimated to sell 19M in the current FY). We don't know when are they going to release Zelda 2. We don't know if the new model is real or just a fan guess as the "Wii HD" was. And no, they won't release big Pokemon games every 2-3 years.
This year is a phenomenal year for Switch and next year is going to be hard to replicate the same feat as this year but ..Again, you are not considering in which point of their life cycle are: Switch has been growing and now it's on its peak year while PS4 is in its decreasing part.
Obviously during the current year Switch is going to catch up, but after this peak it will start decreasing sales year after year. Switch won't continue growing: its peak year was supposed to be last year -or at least this was Nintendo's idea- but thanks to covid it's going to be this year. But after that it will decrease.
Wait, what the fuck USA troops doing there in such large quanlities?
PS4 is 7 years old and its successor has been released this month.This year is a phenomenal year for Switch and next year is going to be hard to replicate the same feat as this year but ..
Nintendo doesn't need to replicate that and just needed to replicate the year of 2019 with Price drop and BOTW 2 to stabilize the pace created by a phenomenal year of 2020.
Here are the cards that Nintendo could play in 2021 and years after
1. Price Drop - Nintendo Switch is currently not perceived as an overprice product and constantly out of stock even with bigger shipments size. The price cut for hot item like Nintendo Switch is certainly going to be a big news that could easily drive the sales the sustain at the current level.
2. Aggressive bundling - Ever wondered why everytimes MK8D bundled was available it was always sold out insanely fast despite big stock numbers, now just imagined only on Nintendo bundled(Like PlayStation 4 and Xbox One bundled) with free 3 top sellers like MK8D, ACNH, Smash, BOTW, SMO, Pokemon, and etc in just 299$? That thing will sold out instantly.
During this point of life PS4 and XBO already had a deal where you can get a console around $199-$249 +3 AAA free games while Nintendo Switch is entering the 4th holidays with the same expensive bundle and still selling more than PS4 and XBO in the holiday.
I'm comparing launch aligned bundle deals where you can get PS4 at $249 + 3 free games in 2016 US and yet MK8D bundled sold more than that as Nintendo holiday sales numbers are greater than Sony.PS4 is 7 years old and its successor has been released this month.
Switch was released 3 years and a half ago, it's on its peak year.
They are in a completely different position of their life cycle, so demand and pricing is obviosly different.
Bundles or Black Friday offers aren't anything new, it's something consoles always did all the time.
Never seen demand before like there is in PS5 in Europe. It's the biggest games market so should be getting the biggest shipments.
Nintendo estimated to sell 19M Switch for the current FY, which as can be seen in the graph I posted above is less than the previous year.Show me receipts where Nintendo itself said that past FY will be the its peak year, not even their estimates.
Companies often post sales estimations for their FY. Nintendo posted their estimation for this year, and was lower than the sales they announced for the previous one that day. So de facto they were accepting it was their sales peak. Which again, compared to the other consoles made sense.No company would announce that publicly even for their shareholders. And all predictions points to next year being the peak.
No. MH exists since PS2 and many games have been released in many consoles and portables without being released at launch. Specially spin-offs like MH Rise.A new MH game would always be accompanied by a new model of said platform to drive sales on both, always been that way.
Game development today has nothing to do when Majora was released. Game budgets and development times are way longer. Majora was released by a small team, BOTW2 doesn't seem to be the case. I believe BOTW2 will be released in 2021, but time ago I also thought BOTW2, Bayonetta 3 and Metroid Prime 4 were going to be released in 2020, and now I think Metroid Prime 4 maybe will be released in 2022.We had Majora's Mask in junction to Ocarina of Time which only took 2 years to make for a similar engine sequel, much like BOTW2. 2021 would means 4 years for BOTW2. it's ample enough time.
They released Sword and Shield in November 2019, they won't release a Pokemon in 2021.Mainline Pokemon games would always be released either a remake or a new iteration of the latest one every 2-3 years, and they always drive up hardware sales.
Mine are ok, check yours.Check your facts.
You can't know this because there is no data about it, this is your personal opinion.- Switch sells like handhelds where it's normal to have multiple of system for every individual at home, not 1 console per home
True, it was a good idea to merge them because both their consoles and portables were decliining. In this way it gets more support from both 1st and 3rd party.- Switch is now the only Nintendo console gouging their development pipeline compared to past ones.
Sure, they don't have to compete against many big sellers like GTAV, CoD, Cyberpunk, big Ubi games and similar as Sony or MS do. So other than some big sellers from Nintendo and a few 3rd party the other big seller games must be from previous years. And in this case, mostly 2017 which was by far their best year in terms of amount of quality games.- Switch have 10+ evergreen titles still selling around 2-6 millions every quarter starting from their 2017 launch with $60 MSRP (BOTW sold 3.5 millions this FY3)
In tech outside of the iPhone Japan prefers to buy Japanese.Its easier to just say that MS hasnt done their homework in Japan. They need to look at more successful US brands there and copy what they do.
Nintendo made estimations and they still don't announce to public if that is what they call a peak year or not (literally), then again the Switch is not the same as past consoles sale-wise and its hardware iterations and yet you still went on with the "same sales curve" narrative. Follow the handheld sales curve at least.Nintendo estimated to sell 19M Switch for the current FY, which as can be seen in the graph I posted above is less than the previous year.
As also can be seen in the graph I posted, that estimation made sense because it would be to follow the same sales curve than the other consoles with a similar lifecycle sales curve.
Companies often post sales estimations for their FY. Nintendo posted their estimation for this year, and was lower than the sales they announced for the previous one that day. So de facto they were accepting it was their sales peak. Which again, compared to the other consoles made sense.
No. MH exists since PS2 and many games have been released in many consoles and portables without being released at launch. Specially spin-offs like MH Rise.
Game development today has nothing to do when Majora was released. Game budgets and development times are way longer. Majora was released by a small team, BOTW2 doesn't seem to be the case. I believe BOTW2 will be released in 2021, but time ago I also thought BOTW2, Bayonetta 3 and Metroid Prime 4 were going to be released in 2020, and now I think Metroid Prime 4 maybe will be released in 2022.
They released Sword and Shield in November 2019, they won't release a Pokemon in 2021.
Mine are ok, check yours.
You can't know this because there is no data about it, this is your personal opinion.
True, it was a good idea to merge them because both their consoles and portables were decliining. In this way it gets more support from both 1st and 3rd party.
Sure, they don't have to compete against many big sellers like GTAV, CoD, Cyberpunk, big Ubi games and similar as Sony or MS do. So other than some big sellers from Nintendo and a few 3rd party the other big seller games must be from previous years. And in this case, mostly 2017 which was by far their best year in terms of amount of quality games.
In tech outside of the iPhone Japan prefers to buy Japanese.
What? Huawei has only a 6 percent market share. And Windows is basically a monopoly. lolAnd Huwaei? And what about windows?
What? Huawei has only a 6 percent market share. And Windows is basically a monopoly. lol
Lol, the iPhone dominates that market.6 percent is not so bad when you consider that Sony only has about 9 percent.
Lol, the iPhone dominates that market.
I already said aside from the iPhone Japanese only buy Japanese tech. You then circle back to the point I made and couldn’t even refute it. lolYes an American tech brand dominates in Japan. Apparently Japanese are only racist when it comes to Xbox. Everything else they behave like rational consumers. They fucking hate Xbox though. But they love Apple. Traitors.
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I'm really not aware of American having way more disposable income than western European countries. The cost of living here is higher than some parts of the US, but I'm pretty sure there is less disparity of wealth here.I see this claim a lot here, but I'm genuinely interested if this is really the case.
Maybe Europe has the most console units in absolute numbers, but what about customer lifetime value? I have a really hard time believing that Europeans spend more on games and accessories in a generation than Americans do. Americans have way more disposable income on average due to higher salaries and a lower cost of living, especially in terms of taxes.
They used to be the most rabid combat fighting country in the world. K1 was massive. Like sold out stadiums with 80,000 people.
Pride was also massive in the Japan.
Then the Japanese public just lost interest.
I remember the talk of the Yakuza in the day, then the UFC bought out Pride and killed it off.Not gaming related, but when it comes to this, the problem came when FUJI TV droped support of PRIDE, because of Yakuza involvement in some fights. It was a big deal at the time.
Mario Kart 9 , BOTW2 and the next new mario game can still push their numbers to a ridiculous level. They can even only drop one of those each year and still achieve it
Wouldn't shock me if they made up the bulk of Microsoft's Japanese sales.There are about 54,000 Anerican troops stationed in Japan. I wonder how many are gamers.
When Nintendo posted their Switch 3th FY (the one ending in March 2020) results, they publicly mentioned that their Switch sales estimation for the current 4th FY (the one ending in March 2021) was 19M.Nintendo made estimations and they still don't announce to public if that is what they call a peak year or not (literally), then again the Switch is not the same as past consoles sale-wise and its hardware iterations and yet you still went on with the "same sales curve" narrative. Follow the handheld sales curve at least.
I followed all of Nintendo's fiscal reports, I know of them not reaching estimates once in Switch's time and lowballing hard for this FY.
"Companies often post sales estimations for their FY. Nintendo posted their estimation for this year, and was lower than the sales they announced for the previous one that day. So de facto they were accepting it was their sales peak. "
^^ Can you elaborate these more with numbers. I'm confused with your "previous one that day". Is that an estimate or sales, which sales?
I said MH had always released with a new model, an iteration not a launch model, at least after it exploded with its portable series. A new MH launch would always bring lucrative hardware numbers.
MH Freedom 2 - PSP-2000
MH Tri - Wii bundle
MH Portable 3rd - PSP-3000 SE bundle
MH3U - 3DSXL
MH4/MH4U - New3DS
MH World - PS4 Pro SE bundle
Most Zelda games weren't launch games for their consoles and portables. You can check their Japanese / original release dates in Wikipedia.BOTW2 have a chance to release 2021 now that 2020 COVID happens. Of course that's just my prediction, though with Zelda also almost always being launched in tandem with a new console model or iteration it's not a far-fetched prediction at all.
In this list there are games listed as a new one when they are basically the same re-released with a few changes or additions (like Yellow or Red+Blue compared to Red and Green and Blue).Pokemon never stopped releasing for more than 2-3 years. As always they'll bring in numbers
Pokemon release date:
So basically it's the same thought that I already had.When Nintendo posted their Switch 3th FY (the one ending in March 2020) results, they publicly mentioned that their Switch sales estimation for the current 4th FY (the one ending in March 2021) was 19M.
I mean, aligning PS4 and Switch sales by fiscal years and quarters, we see PS4 had an extra Q3 at launch. Outside that, all their quarters combined had almost the same sales. Switch expected to sell 19M for Switch's 4th FY, which is the same that PS4 sold in its 4th FY.
When they recently released the current Q2 sales (July-Sep 2020), they increased their Switch sales estimations for the current 4th FY from 19M to 24M, mostly because the Q1 and Q2 sales of the current FY were way bigger than they expected (way bigger than the Q1 and Q2 of the PS4 4th FY). They increased it 5M, which is approx. the lead Switch has over PS4 when launch aligning them by fiscal years and quarters, considering PS4 had the extra Q3.
Pre-portable era MH only sold around 1.5 mil max, the first one basically sold like 300k. That's why I mention before portable series exploded.None of these games were released at the same time than these consoles or portables:
MHF2 (February 22, 2007 in Japan) wasn't a PSP2000 (September 20, 2007) launch game
MH Tri (August 1, 2009 in Japan) wasn't a Wii (December 2, 2006) launch game
MHP3rd (December 1, 2010 in Japan) wasn't a PSP3000 (October 16, 2008) launch game
MH3U (December 10, 2011) wasn't a 3DSXL (July 2012) launch game
MH4 (September 14. 2013) and MH4U weren't New3DS (October 11, 2014) launch games
MHW (January 26, 2018) wasn't a PS4 Pro (November 10, 2016) launch game
You forgot 4 main MH games, but it's the same:
MH (March 11, 2004), MHG (January 20, 2005) and MH2 (February 16, 2006) weren't PS2 (March 4, 200 ) launch games
MH Freedom (December 1, 2005) wasn't a PSP (December 12, 2004) launch game
So yes, it's very likely that they will make a game+console bundle with Switch in Japan, or that they may release a MH Rise themed limited edition Switch, but nothing points to think that they may release a Swich successor or Switch Pro the same day than the game, or even close to it.
It still counts when those releases are separate and still sell like hotcakes.In this list there are games listed as a new one when they are basically the same re-released with a few changes or additions (like Yellow or Red+Blue compared to Red and Green and Blue).
In that case, you can include 2020 as a game with Pokemons too, because they released 2 DLCs, also sold bundled with the game. They add more stuff than some of these 'repeated' releases.
What Japan centric games? There is literally no Japanese games for either console rn.