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PlayStation boss Jim Ryan has admitted he does not view Starfield's Xbox console exclusivity as "anti-competitive".

During the ongoing trial between Microsoft and the Federal Trade Commission (FTC), the head of PlayStation took the stand. During his testimony, he was asked if anything was wrong with Arkane Studios' Redfall and Bestheda Game Studios' Starfield being console exclusives on Xbox.

I don't like it, but I have fundamentally no quarrel with it and i dont view it as anti-competitive.

 

[twilo99]

where the Jim Ryan says thread at?

 

[Beer Baelly]

 

[kaizenkko]

Ok guys, I'm waiting for the threads about Jimbo's emails talking about his evil plan to transform Playstation in a GAAS machine.

 

[TxKnight7]

I am laughing too hard now when we say sony made many deals to make games like final fantasy ,ghostwire deathloop KOTOR Remake, Silent Hill 2, Forspoken, Ni Oh
Project eve ,SFV a Known ip ,Rise of Ronin etc etc exclusive to their platform and cancel xbox ver of some of the games here it is fine because its sony, even buying a publisher Psygnosis), they had many multiplatform games before , wipeout 3 and wipeout fusion was made exclusive to Sony platforms.
Now when we say microsoft has the right to make New ip's from bethesda etc exclusive to their platform from a company they own and they help and fund their projects" it is wrong and a big problem microsoft should stop!"

some of them said oh"( we know damn well ms made 360 what it was by 3rd party )".

did they even know sony was doing this since Ps1 and before xbox was even a thing?! i didn't know xbox was released before playstation.

Chris Deering
We targeted Microsoft from day one -- we were ruthless," he says. "I'm not of this mentality anymore, but at the time it was life or death as far as I was concerned. We had this expression in our business meetings: 'Kill them right at the start and take no prisoners
Chris Deering, who was Sony Computer Entertainment (SCE) Europe's boss at the time.
says that the company still wanted to embrace a broad audience, including more mature demographics. One of his core focuses was -- as with the original PlayStation -- trying to nail down as many third-party exclusives as possible.

 

[Gaiff]

This is unbecoming of our general.

 

[Shambala]

Well he’s right. What people are calling out is Phil’s lies about exclusivity.. He says one thing and does the other. That’s what Phil is being called out on..

 

[Pasta la Vista]

Well they already own Bethesda, so uh, no shit Sherlock?

 

[a multicultural team of v]

Was anyone really calling this anti-competitive though?

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

This is unbecoming of our general.

Next renewal date 2/9/2022

 

[Gaiff]

Next renewal date 2/9/2022

What can I say? I need to readjust my clock.

 

[Pasta la Vista]

What can I say? I need to readjust my clock.

I get you. Just a thought experiment.

 

[StealthGoblin]

This shouldn’t be a surprise. He’s never said he did view it as anticompetitive.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

Next renewal date 2/9/2022

And it's for Ps plus basic... fuckin scrub

 

[nial]

Rise of Ronin

That's a SIE first-party game.

 

[darrylgorn]

People still getting butthurt over some bullshit a CEO says.

 

[MarkMe2525]

I'm surprised we don't have a thread discussing the email revealing the fact that Jim Ryan never actually believed MS intended to pull CoD from Playstation.

Edit: I don't actually condone such a thread (as i believe we should have one FTC case mega thread) but everyday we have four "Phil said" threads posted.

 

[KaiserBecks]

His hearing is interesting. I wonder how a person with such bad memory can have a leading position in a company this big. Who am I kidding

 

[Spukc]

 

[TGO]

I am laughing too hard now when we say sony made many deals to make games like final fantasy ,ghostwire deathloop KOTOR Remake, Silent Hill 2, Forspoken, Ni Oh
Project eve ,SFV a Known ip ,Rise of Ronin etc etc exclusive to their platform and cancel xbox ver of some of the games here it is fine because its sony, even buying a publisher Psygnosis), they had many multiplatform games before , wipeout 3 and wipeout fusion was made exclusive to Sony platforms.
Now when we say microsoft has the right to make New ip's from bethesda etc exclusive to their platform from a company they own and they help and fund their projects" it is wrong and a big problem microsoft should stop!"

some of them said oh"( we know damn well ms made 360 what it was by 3rd party )".

did they even know sony was doing this since Ps1 and before xbox was even a thing?! i didn't know xbox was released before playstation.

Chris Deering
We targeted Microsoft from day one -- we were ruthless," he says. "I'm not of this mentality anymore, but at the time it was life or death as far as I was concerned. We had this expression in our business meetings: 'Kill them right at the start and take no prisoners
Chris Deering, who was Sony Computer Entertainment (SCE) Europe's boss at the time.
says that the company still wanted to embrace a broad audience, including more mature demographics. One of his core focuses was -- as with the original PlayStation -- trying to nail down as many third-party exclusives as possible.

 

[Freelance Yakuza]

Well, Sony tried to buy the exclusivity so he is just dodging the hypocrisy here

 

[adamsapple]

Well, Sony tried to buy the exclusivity so he is just dodging the hypocrisy here

"We were looking to do the same .. so I guess .." - JR

 

[Liamario]

Well, Sony tried to buy the exclusivity so he is just dodging the hypocrisy here

Bullshit. Buying exclusivity has been going on for decades. Nobody has argued against it. Reasonable people were simply laughing at the hypocrisy coming out of the mouth of Phil Spencer.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

what's below the desk Jim?

 

[JaksGhost]

Where's the "gotcha" in this?

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

He also said he doesn’t see MS foreclosing CoD and that either way, Sony would be fine

 

[ProtoByte]

Sony never contested the Bethesda buyout or complained about Bethesda game exclusivity, legally or otherwise. So, this statement is just Ryan being consistent.

 

[Banjo64]

Not sure this is an admittance or just a statement of fact.

I myself thought that XGS combined with Zenimax was more than enough to compete with Sony. Fallout and TES are bigger than any Sony franchise.

M$ aren’t happy to just compete with Sony though. That’s not what they want.

 

[Pasta la Vista]

Not even worth the drama tag. Nobody was ever arguing that it was in the first place. MS owns Zenimax/Bethesda what they do with them is their business.

 

[Pelta88]

He'd be a hypocrite to suggest otherwise.

 

[JaksGhost]

He also said he doesn’t see MS foreclosing CoD and that either way, Sony would be fine

That e-mail was dated 2 days after the acquisition announcement. At the time yeah things probably did look fine but Phil has been pretty wishy washy throughout which seems to validate his later concerns.

 

[TGO]

what's below the desk Jim?

Someone gets it

 

[ZoukGalaxy]

Well, that's really fairplay to admit it since Playstation has a lot of exclusives, that's the rules of the game.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

I am laughing too hard now when we say sony made many deals to make games like final fantasy ,ghostwire deathloop KOTOR Remake, Silent Hill 2, Forspoken, Ni Oh
Project eve ,SFV a Known ip ,Rise of Ronin etc etc exclusive to their platform and cancel xbox ver of some of the games here it is fine because its sony, even buying a publisher Psygnosis), they had many multiplatform games before , wipeout 3 and wipeout fusion was made exclusive to Sony platforms.
Now when we say microsoft has the right to make New ip's from bethesda etc exclusive to their platform from a company they own and they help and fund their projects" it is wrong and a big problem microsoft should stop!"

some of them said oh"( we know damn well ms made 360 what it was by 3rd party )".

did they even know sony was doing this since Ps1 and before xbox was even a thing?! i didn't know xbox was released before playstation.

Chris Deering
We targeted Microsoft from day one -- we were ruthless," he says. "I'm not of this mentality anymore, but at the time it was life or death as far as I was concerned. We had this expression in our business meetings: 'Kill them right at the start and take no prisoners
Chris Deering, who was Sony Computer Entertainment (SCE) Europe's boss at the time.
says that the company still wanted to embrace a broad audience, including more mature demographics. One of his core focuses was -- as with the original PlayStation -- trying to nail down as many third-party exclusives as possible.

Why do people like you just come and say nonsense and think you can get away with it. HAs it, not occurred to you that there are generally very knowledgeable people on this forum that would call you out on it?

First ff, when Sony acquired Psygnosis in 1993, they did so for $20M. Inflation-adjusted, that's $40M in today's money.

But you know the part no one ever seems to mention, even though sony acquired them, they left them to be independent, the games they published, still were on other platforms. Furthermore, do you know that the platforms they made games for were practically dead by the time PlayStation came along? (Amiga)...

ANyways... Psygnosis... is nothing like Bethesda. Money wise, and or IP wise.

 

[Vognerful]

That e-mail was dated 2 days after the acquisition announcement. At the time yeah things probably did look fine but Phil has been pretty wishy washy throughout which seems to validate his later concerns.

HE iterated again in the FTC session that he doesn't think Microsoft will remove CoD from playstation, and in fact that he would do it if it was him (make it exclusive) and that he believes Microsoft would honor any contractual agreement will be made between them.

Unfortunately, we couldn't hear exactly what are the terms that was made at the end and was rejected (i believe in august 2022?) by Sony. there is a hint that other future titles (excluding CoD) maybe was not part of the deal. Jim mentioned overwatch 2, which in a weird way released before the acquisition, and the MSFT lawyer questioned him that in earlier instances based on an email he didn't see a problem with it.

 

[Nankatsu]

All I ask is that uncle Jimbo just starts buying out studios to. This is an all-out war.

 

[Crayon]

I would hope he said that! Don't want to look like a spencer up there.

 

[twilo99]

I like him a lot

 

[Moneal]

I am laughing too hard now when we say sony made many deals to make games like final fantasy ,ghostwire deathloop KOTOR Remake, Silent Hill 2, Forspoken, Ni Oh
Project eve ,SFV a Known ip ,Rise of Ronin etc etc exclusive to their platform and cancel xbox ver of some of the games here it is fine because its sony, even buying a publisher Psygnosis), they had many multiplatform games before , wipeout 3 and wipeout fusion was made exclusive to Sony platforms.
Now when we say microsoft has the right to make New ip's from bethesda etc exclusive to their platform from a company they own and they help and fund their projects" it is wrong and a big problem microsoft should stop!"

some of them said oh"( we know damn well ms made 360 what it was by 3rd party )".

did they even know sony was doing this since Ps1 and before xbox was even a thing?! i didn't know xbox was released before playstation.

Chris Deering
We targeted Microsoft from day one -- we were ruthless," he says. "I'm not of this mentality anymore, but at the time it was life or death as far as I was concerned. We had this expression in our business meetings: 'Kill them right at the start and take no prisoners
Chris Deering, who was Sony Computer Entertainment (SCE) Europe's boss at the time.
says that the company still wanted to embrace a broad audience, including more mature demographics. One of his core focuses was -- as with the original PlayStation -- trying to nail down as many third-party exclusives as possible.

Nioh is a Sony owned IP. Its why the dev team made wo long. Its the same as Demon Souls and Dark Souls.

 

[Hudo]

Can the lawyer ask him about a new Motorstorm? I would seriously consider buying a PS5 for that.

 

[Mr Moose]

Nioh is a Sony owned IP. Its why the dev team made wo long. Its the same as Demon Souls and Dark Souls.

They are a publisher, not the IP owner.

 

[Beer Baelly]

Where's the "gotcha" in this?

 

[bender]

Jim Ryan knows Morrowind was Bethesda's last great game. And you cats said he wasn't a real gamer.

 

[Oppoi]

All I ask is that uncle Jimbo just starts buying out studios to. This is an all-out war.

I would love to see Playstation and Xbox go toe to toe in a cage match. Just imagine how they would handle a fight without their outside resources.

 

[mrmustard]

I would love to see Playstation and Xbox go toe to toe in a cage match. Just imagine how they would handle a fight without their outside resources.

Abby vs Masterchief could be interesting.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

Was anyone really calling this anti-competitive though?

Neogaf narrative change assemble!

 

[ReBurn]

Was anyone really calling this anti-competitive though?

You must not have been following the acquisition threads.

 

[Pallas]

what's below the desk Jim?

 

[Oppoi]

Abby vs Masterchief could be interesting.

For some reason in my head I picture Abby wearing the armor.

 

[Corndog]

Was anyone really calling this anti-competitive though?

Here you go.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/starfield-was-planned-for-ps5-prior-to-microsofts-zenimax-acquisition-ftc-says.1658106/