DonkeyKong
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Both will do 2019-2020.
But will Sony do a reset with new HW, no backward compatibility etc or go with the MS route?
Both will do 2019-2020.
The dev kits might not be final spec though and will be updated as time goes on. PS4 devs didn't know the PS4 would have 8GB RAM until they announced it, last minute, so nothing is 100% final this early.
I think it's going to end up being more of an issue of ambitious later (third party) titles being clearly targeted to Scorpio specs as the preferred version while running noticeably worse on standard Xbox units. It would satisfy the requirement that everything (outside of VR titles) being playable on all Xbox Ones.People going to be upset if Xbox one holding Scorpio back.
But will Sony do a reset with new HW, no backward compatibility etc or go with the MS route?
I don't think the model will work for consoles... I think a Playstation 5 that features brand new games (that can't be played on PS4/PS4 Pro) will have a much greater impact than a PS4 Pro Pro.
IMO, the console market needs these massive resets every once in a while. The only thing I'd like to see become standard is, even with the reset, the new consoles can play the older games day one.
I mean, if every future Xbox retains this goal of forward/backward compatibility, you could look at each hardware revision as an extension of the Xbox One since it was the first. We'll get an Xbox One Pro this year, an Xbox One Pro Pro in 3 years, and a Pro Pro Pro in 6 years....
Also, the posters saying MS is done with "generations" just reads like attempts to jazz up every strategy Phil or some other exec talks about. The market, dev community, tech innovations, etc... usually dictate when a new generation is required. It's something MS can just decide as if they own a monopoly on the gaming market. Something that can be accomplished with AI, a new graphical benchmark, VR, whatever, new hardware should be here for the foreseeable future. And it's perfectly fine to use the word generations when more powerful hardware, especially ones that usher in new tech innovations releases.
They specifically said 'nobody gets left behind' in the reveal video, so... yeah
But, I mean, people are going to get left behind sooner or later. There's no glorious post-generation future where every game works on every console. Backwards compatibility is one thing, but forwards-compatibility? The hottest AAA games of 2030 aren't going to be playable on a 17 year old Xbox One. At best you might get a console that has the best version of games for its generation, and then the worst versions of games for the next.
Reset with new hardware... now backward compatibility is something you choose to add and I'm not sure if Sony will do that.But will Sony do a reset with new HW, no backward compatibility etc or go with the MS route?
this doesn't make any sense, the point of the console is to play what the devs are already making for X1/PS4 better. How would it get held back by it's own games?People going to be upset if Xbox one holding Scorpio back.
All consoles now are x86 PCs and the architecture will remain the same, that's why Sony was able to quickly iterate on the PS4 and make a beefier version of it.
Scorpio is a next-gen machine with the added benefit that all your old games will still be compatible. From this point on, similar to PCs, you'll not lose your library when you buy a next-gen system. I guess since NeoGAF is confsued, Microsoft will need to do a little work to make it clear to everyone that Scorpio isn't just a half-assed upgrade (which the PS4 Pro kinda is...), but a full blown next-gen machine that's just backwards-compatible to your current library.
I thought it was coming out this year? An 'early' build of a console that's supposed to come out this year is a little worrying , no?
Edit - guess not, carry on.
People going to be upset if Xbox one holding Scorpio back.
Doubt MS can nail all this, but if they can they'll be alright. At this point the ball in completely in Ms's court. They have a huge warchest compared to Sony and it's all about dedicating the resources and making the best choices for the Xbox platform if they want Scorpio to succeed.
What?Why isnt it? It isnt like they already took an extra year...
If I had to guess, PS5 will have brand new games with no forward compatibility (ie, PS5 games will not run on PS4). BC will depend on how different they get with the hardware.
I'm not sure the tech moves on quickly enough to have a massive jump in the next 3 years. And even if Ps5 is 10x faster then PS pro (it won't be), publishers will still want cross gen games because that worked well on PS3-PS4 transition. It saves costs, reduces risk when you reset the addressable market, and engines will be scalable enough to support it
Maybe you'll get PS5 boxed games that don't work on PS4, but if so I'll bet you still get cross gen for 2-3 years simply due to publisher business needs.
Xbox one isn't going hold Scorpio back the same way Xbox one did not hold Gears 4 on ultra on PC.
because they aren't clearly moving away from it until the successor to Scorpio comes out and you can still play those games on your X1.I mean, if every future Xbox retains this goal of forward/backward compatibility, you could look at each hardware revision as an extension of the Xbox One since it was the first. We'll get an Xbox One Pro this year, an Xbox One Pro Pro in 3 years, and a Pro Pro Pro in 6 years.
At what point does it stop making sense to refer to their new hardware as merely upgraded Xbox Ones? Why continue to insist that they are still following a generational approach when they are clearly moving away from that?
Doubt MS can nail all this, but if they can they'll be alright. At this point the ball is completely in MS' court. They have a huge warchest compared to Sony.
I don't know what Phil's objective with this kind of tweet is?
Certainly not to sell more Xbox One's. To discourage people from buying a PS4 / Switch / PC? To hype up an existing Xbox fan base? Or is it just trolling for retweets?
Why do you think this?
With the Xbox division getting more and more of the ol' stinkeye from Microsoft as a whole, do you genuinely think they get a blank check to throw millions at yet another timed exclusive? Somehow I doubt it. I think they are more budget restrained than ever.
I'm not trying to turn this into "who has more IPs", but I don't think MS has more than Sony and if they do they don't show it. MS needs some variety in their games.
But will Sony do a reset with new HW, no backward compatibility etc or go with the MS route?
With how successful PS4 has been without BC, it's probably not high on the list of PS5 features, expect more remastered games instead but you never know, maybe they will surprise us.
I expect ps5 to be bc. There is no reason not to have it.
I think they will support the Xbox one right up to the Scorpio successor by then people will either buy the successor or the Scorpio either way it will allow the person to upgrade every 4 years or 8 years or any time in between.
There's no reason we can't play our PS1/2 titles on PS4 and PS1 on PSV either. Yet here we are.I expect ps5 to be bc. There is no reason not to have it.
this doesn't make any sense, the point of the console is to play what the devs are already making for X1/PS4 better. How would it get held back by it's own games?
PC versions of these games are already higher in resolutions/effects/frame-rates than what we get on PS4/X1. Those versions will now be released on Pro/Scorpio.
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Am I missing something?
I don't expect PS5 to be bc. Like I'm about to give Sony the benefit of the doubt.I expect ps5 to be bc. There is no reason not to have it.
I expect ps5 to be bc. There is no reason not to have it.
I guess since NeoGAF is confsued, Microsoft will need to do a little work to make it clear to everyone that Scorpio isn't just a half-assed upgrade (which the PS4 Pro kinda is...), but a full blown next-gen machine that's just backwards-compatible to your current library.
In what way is the Pro half-assed?
That seems the most logical. Its the best of both worlds imo. People that want to upgrade sooner can do that. People that dont want to just wait when Scorpio is 200 bucks. And the other people buy the new Scorpio.
It's obvious that Sony and Microsoft are perusing different game plans. Andrew House said so when he remarked "they have their strategy, and we have ours." PS4 Pro has just enough power to take advantage of a 4K television set; everything else is an afterthought. On the other hand, Scorpio is what a next generation console would look like if we were starting afresh in 2017. Listen to the man above. Scorpio is "full blown next-gen". It also has support for features that are missing from the Xbox One (e.g. VR).
How long before Thomas Mahler is chastised or cautioned by team Xbox for using the term "next gen"? lol
All consoles now are x86 PCs and the architecture will remain the same, that's why Sony was able to quickly iterate on the PS4 and make a beefier version of it.
Scorpio is a next-gen machine with the added benefit that all your old games will still be compatible. From this point on, similar to PCs, you'll not lose your library when you buy a next-gen system. I guess since NeoGAF is confsued, Microsoft will need to do a little work to make it clear to everyone that Scorpio isn't just a half-assed upgrade (which the PS4 Pro kinda is...), but a full blown next-gen machine that's just backwards-compatible to your current library.
if this is true, then MS are basically starting the gen when they want to, which is cool. I think it's a tad too early particularly when this generation is just hitting it's stride. I think you have to release something that will blow away the competition graphically to impress more casual audiences. If it's just PS4/X1 is "low" settings Pro is "Medium", and Scorpio is "High", I don't get why they are hitting the reset button so early (even with b/c). Then again, I guess there's no downside to releasing a more powerful console as an option.It's obvious that Sony and Microsoft are perusing different game plans. Andrew House said so when he remarked "they have their strategy, and we have ours." PS4 Pro has just enough power to take advantage of a 4K television set; everything else is an afterthought. On the other hand, Scorpio is what a next generation console would look like if we were starting afresh in 2017. Listen to the man above. Scorpio is "full blown next-gen". It also has support for features that are missing from the Xbox One (e.g. VR).
How long before Thomas Mahler is chastised or cautioned by team Xbox for using the term "next gen"? lol
If Sony offer PS4 full and automatic backwards compatibility with the PS5, there is no difference.
Lol what else is he gonna say?
"Played Scorpio earlier, needs work, was alright though"...
Yes there is.
There are two different paths here:
- You buy an "Xbox" game and put it in Xbox One or Scorpio or Windows 10 PC and it will work.
- You buy a PS5 game, it will not work on your PS4.
Whether the PS5 plays PS4 games or not is irrelevant. They key difference is forward compatibility.
Yes there is.
There are two different paths here:
- You buy an "Xbox" came and put it in Xbox One or Scorpio and it will work.
- You buy a PS5 game, it will not work on your PS4.
Whether the PS5 plays PS4 games or not is irrelevant. They key difference is forward compatibility.
if this is true, then MS are basically starting the gen when they want to, which is cool. I think it's a tad too early particularly when this generation is just hitting it's stride. I think you have to release something that will blow away the competition graphically to impress more casual audiences. If it's just PS4/X1 is "low" settings Pro is "Medium", and Scorpio is "High", I don't get why they are hitting the reset button so early (even with b/c). Then again, I guess there's no downside to releasing a more powerful console as an option.
Seeing as you're talking about PS5 here, it's simpler to then also talk about the Scorpio successor.
Will games you buy on the Scorpio 2 in 2020 still work on XB1? You're saying they will, but I have my doubts. Forward compatibility only goes so far.
People going to be upset if Xbox one holding Scorpio back.
Yes there is.
There are two different paths here:
- You buy an "Xbox" game and put it in Xbox One or Scorpio or Windows 10 PC and it will work.
- You buy a PS5 game, it will not work on your PS4.
Whether the PS5 plays PS4 games or not is irrelevant. They key difference is forward compatibility.
Have Sony said either way yet?
If BC is full and automatic, a dev is likely to still target the 100+ million userbase of the PS4 and let the fact of BC allow the PS5 players to play the game.
Seeing as you're talking about PS5 here, it's simpler to then also talk about the Scorpio successor.
Will games you buy on the Scorpio 2 in 2020 still work on XB1? You're saying they will, but I have my doubts. Forward compatibility only goes so far.
Adding a few effects to differ from LOW and Ultra is not remotely even same thing with making a game based on higher tech. More then so graphics obviously , CPU, gameplay etc everything changes based on limiter tech.