azertydu91
Hard to Kill
So according to you if a company buys another it nulls every contract that has ever been signed?Because if so why is it called a contract and why signing them?
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Pete Hines: Indiana Jones (Machine Games) Will be PC/Xbox Only - Will Launch on Game Pass Day 1
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XesqueVara
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Never thought a Xbox Exclusive would be announced in a Court lol.
Vognerful
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I could care less about Xbox but taking games away from PC was a dick move.Isn’t FF16 out today, or maybe tomorrow? And these people want to complain about exclusives
Yes, they only made the decision today, in the courtroom
You’re saying they broke a contract by sitting down with Disney and renegotiating the contract?
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
It is indeed breaking a contract even if both parties agreed it is a contract that is no longer being enforced.I broke my bail when I moved out but both me and my landlord agreed to it, the contract was still broken though.It is even called an "rupture amiable" in French meaning it broke 'friendly" that's a rough translation.Yes, they only made the decision today, in the courtroom
You’re saying they broke a contract by sitting down with Disney and renegotiating the contract?
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midnightAI
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Not in regards to Ghostwire and Deathloop, these were both in development and Sony paid for exclusivity long before the acquisition. A contract would have been in place, they can't just break it. It was cute of MS to say they'll honour the contract, but unless they wanted to be taken to court over it they had no choice but to honour it.
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Kacho
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Violent Riky holy shit
Buggy Loop
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Not sure I follow with the 3rd party IP criticism. Should Wolverine be on Xbox? Anyone expect that? No?
When you renegotiate a contract, you change the terms and still get left with a legally binding contract. Your landlord analogy makes no sense in this context.
Xbox/Bethesda/Machine Games is still in a contract with Disney to make Indiana Jones. just exclusively on Xbox/PC
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Just as I was with my landlord but instead of staying another +9 months it became 1 month...Which is a renegociation but is still called a "rupture amiable".
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Well I hope the games good and Microsoft is throwing big money at it to make it special. It could be great.
Tbh, they must and are deffo throwing money at it if they've paid Disney to make it exclusive and on game pass day one. That should incentivise them to make sure the game is the best it can be.
Tbh, they must and are deffo throwing money at it if they've paid Disney to make it exclusive and on game pass day one. That should incentivise them to make sure the game is the best it can be.
Panajev2001a
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This is all big mega US corps, Apple does the same, they proudly state they will honour laws and law binding agreements as if it was optional for them
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DenchDeckard
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Yup, amazing millions of gamepass subscribers can play this day one as part of their subscription.Thank you for bringing the game to more players Phil.
Good guy Phil strikes again lol
So like I said, you clearly don't know what you are talking about. I have negotiated a merger and all contracts that were in place by the company getting acquired must go through an integration hearing and be agreed on by both parties. The company with majority stake then makes the final classification after the new contract is finalized.
FoxMcChief
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Xbox Courthouse Showcase 2023 brought us:
- Exclusivity confirmed for Indiana Jones
- Next Xbox and PlayStation coming in 2023
- Outer Worlds 2 may go to second rate consoles
- Starfield is still awesome
- Phil has six pack abs and did the dirty to your mom
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jshaver488
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Good. It’s first party
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
One difference: Xbox actually owns the studios in question Sony does NOT own the developers of FF.
Topher
Gold Member
Great news. Xbox should never release another game on PS after what they pulled with this deal and with all their money hatting hypocrisy.
I'm fine with the exclusivity news, but really this just shows Microsoft is just as bad. Not that we needed more evidence of that, but it is what it is.
kuncol02
Banned
Technicaly Sony owned Psygnosis sine like 93, but they were separate subsidiary from PlayStation. You can see when they were merged because all they released after that is Wipeout and F1 games year after year.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
I'm just tired of it all. I think either everything should be exclusive or nothing. At this point, I'd prefer MS drop this deal and just come out and announce everything will be exclusive so we can move on from this shit.I'm fine with the exclusivity news, but really this just shows Microsoft is just as bad. Not that we needed more evidence of that, but it is what it is.
SantaC
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What about Final Fantasy 16 and their sony bullshit exclusive?
Solarstrike
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Unless you can show that Disney signed a contract with Insomniac to make Wolverine for both PlayStation and Xbox, but Sony changed that contract to drop Xbox after acquiring Insomniac, this is a completely different situation.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
We're making up stories now? If that were true, it would have come up in the court case. False narratives.
And FF7R and FF16 are as much timed exclusives as The Medium, Stalker 2, and Ark 2 are for Xbox. If they are still not released on PlayStation after the exclusivity contracts are expired, it's SquareEnix not doing an Xbox version, just like the Scorn devs are not doing a PlayStation version after Xbox's exclusivity.
AJUMP23
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MS getting a first party adventure game with a high rating is a big need. Could move some units if it is in the 90s on the scoring.
Game Pass is great too. I only have to rent it in the best deal but slightly more expensive in gaming.
No one complains about Sony exclusives. People complain about MS exclusives.
Game Pass is great too. I only have to rent it in the best deal but slightly more expensive in gaming.
No one complains about Sony exclusives. People complain about MS exclusives.
Microsoft would have done the exact same with Deathloop, if they could have. But obviously the contract and promotion were with Sony. Power and Respect to Microsoft for making Redfall an Xbox exclusive, saved a lot of gamers the pain. No really - thank you.
Big fan of Indiana Jones, I'm disappointed it won't be on PS5. Lucky I can sub to game pass for a month to play it and forget it. Would have been nice to play with some haptics.
Big fan of Indiana Jones, I'm disappointed it won't be on PS5. Lucky I can sub to game pass for a month to play it and forget it. Would have been nice to play with some haptics.
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anthraticus
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Hines is the worst. Can't stand that shithead
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
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MS after the purchase
Good
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Not being brought up by who, the FTC lawyers doing the questioning against Microsoft ?
Besides the news coming from reliable industry insiders, you just need to look at the pattern of Zenimax's releases, 2 in a row before Starfield was formally announced post acquisition were bought-for timed exclusives.
What are you talking about? It was said pretty clearly that it was renegotiated. MS/Zenimax didn't just break a contract for no reason. Disney would have sued their asses.
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mrmustard
Banned
Sucks too of course.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Read the rest of my posts instead of running to defend MS as always.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
This rumor was literally from one person -- Imran Khan, who hasn't shared any reliable leak or rumor in years.
And when Pete Hines was asked about exclusivity contracts, he had every opportunity to mention that Sony was interested in also acquiring Starfield as a timed exclusive. He did not.
As of now, there is literally 0 evidence that Sony was interested in getting Starfield as a timed exclusive. Besides, if Sony wanted it, they would have got it before MS closed the acquisition because MS legally could not intervene in Zenimax's operation until then. Sony had free reigns.
Moses85
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DenchDeckard
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Can't wait for Jim to take the stand in this case. Gonna get some juicy info from behind the curtain.
This is well known, go look it up and then you can apologize.
The mental gymnastics you do to shill for a company..
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Me? You have yet to present a legit document or executive confirmation quote to back up your claim. We're still waiting.
Dis
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Morrie’s wig shop
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PlayStation only gamers.
Hint: there the one who keep saying “yep Microsoft can be trusted”
Meanwhile it’s a 1st party developer developing an exclusive for for their console……. regardless if they were bought or organically grown like a bunch of fucking crop….
crackajack
Member
What they are doing makes sense, and would be fine to me, but all the PR whining and lies are annoying af.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Oh, I did, and despite you saying "rupture amiable", it still doesn't change the fact that, reportedly, the publisher of the game and the IP holder re-negotiated to the new terms. A "refinancing" if you will, since you want to use housing terms.
So, you're still wrong based on the latest info we have about the game.
Yeah, that's exactly what we've all been talking about, if the MS/Zenimax announcement wasn't announced when it did, Sony would have gone for it. The acquisition 'saved the day'
also re: Imran Khan (not *that one lol)
He doesn't do a show like Grubb so we don't hear from him, but he has a pretty accurate track record, including Re4 remake news, Starfield delay, 1-2 Switch sequel, Demons Souls / Elden Ring release windows etc. You can see most of it here.
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Badlucktroll
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I hope it explores a mythology that indy hasn’t before. celtic, china, japan, south pacific, to name a few
Gorgon
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Indeed. I couldn't care less for COD and Diablo (the latter came bundled with my XBX and I haven't even played it yet). But I do care for Starfield, Elder Scrolls, and Fallout. Those are huge in the WRPG market, which is a huge part of the gaming market itself. Also, add to that the aqquisition of Obsidian and inExile and MS is riding it on the WRPG front. All of that together with the further aqquisition of Ninja Theory and Undead Studios simply forced me to also get a XSX this gen. They just reached critical mass. That and better modding support on Xbox.
This too.
Correct. A company that has agreements/contracts and gets aquired by another company will still have to honour those contracts since the new parent company is now beholden to them too. Renegotiations are needed to change that and that's what happened here. Big fuss about nothing, as usual.
Correct. And it was a big mess-up by Sony if indded they had the opportunity. They are severely underdelivering on the WRPG market, which happens to be quite a big chunk. On the other hand, as far as "high-performance consoles" go, they are sailing through on the JRPG business, which is also quite big. Unfortunately I don't care much for the latter.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I would like to know if it's even a third person game or first person game in the first place. Machine Games doesn't exactly do third person adventures.
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