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Cool they're free not to cover NVIDIAHardware Unboxed don't owe nVidia free marketing either.
Cool they're free not to cover NVIDIAHardware Unboxed don't owe nVidia free marketing either.
Cool they're free not to cover NVIDIA
The problem here is as Linus said. Anybody that does cover Nvidia FE cards can be seen as implicitly playing by NVs rules which means none of the tech press can be considered independent when it comes to reviewing FE cards at embargo lift.
Some of the big places will be able to remain impartial but smaller channels/sites are going to have the stink of 'are you saying that because you believe it or because you need to keep NV happy?'.
What's changed? They were already on nvidia pay roll.
They aren't independent, if they want to be they need to get their own shit.
Just wanted to add to this;Another low IQ take I see is people thinking that the reviewers are in this so that they can get a free $600-800 GPU for personal use in their rig at home. How dumb do you have to be? You see this manifest with takes like:
"Waah they won't get free GPUs and will have to buy them like the rest of us! Good! Boo fucking hoo! Stop crying because you can't get a free card lolz"
All of these channels make far more than the cost of a single GPU from the views/patreon they receive for one video. Being angry because of Nvidia/AMD/Console supply issues and projecting that salt on to tech reviewers because you cannot get one is one of the dumbest trends I've seen as of late and shows a complete misunderstanding of how the tech press/reviews actually work and what their purpose is.
You don't think testing hardware is a day job? On what basis? What gives you the right to question the validity of someone's vocation?I really don’t respect YouTube reviewers, nor do I care about their journalistic independence. Time for a day job?
Nvidia might very well be slimy, but they don't owe anyone a review card. They just don’t.
Biased reviews etc...
It looks like the opposite is happening:
WOW HU is just becoming even more laughable
But it is not like nVidia is doing anything wrong.That's how getting free samples works in just about any industry. You can get them if you play by their terms.
There is very little journalistic integrity at all with any hobbyist review industry.
If these industries cared so much they'd stop accepting free pre-release units, or free review units at all. I'd support any outlet that did that really; including game reviews.. a well written review by someone who paid for the game a week after it's out would be fine by me. Same with game consoles, graphics card, anything..
I mean, Nvidia is a business and they have a product to sell. If you're not willing to review all the features their product has to offer, then I can't blame them for not wanting to send you a sample of said product for free. Why is it so hard for them to include that information in their reviews, anyways? It informs their readers and satisfies Nvidia, so win-win.
I wrote them lolReally? Have you read your posts.
The only laughable thing in this thread is the NV ass kissing.
Yea, when it's all said and done, there are only two big players in the videogame market and Nvidia is the biggest by a fair margin. No matter how upset these 'journalists' get, I doubt much will change. But who knows, never know until you try, I guess.Ooohhhh the youtubers are massing for a lynching/cancelling.
What’s even more fucking annoying than tech youtubers thumbnails is youtubers collective drama. All this over not sending FE cards, not a ban, just FE cards. How fucking entitled.
Sure, stop covering Nvidia See how that goes.
By themselves, no. But if everyone drops nVidia, it's another story.
I seriously don't get this. It's a service to the benefit of the consumer, and they gain money for it. It basically IS a day job. I respect people that have the balls to start up their own business, be it in the real world or online, a lot more than someone that takes the easy road of a 9-5 job. And I see anyone that doesn't as either ignorant or envious.
The companies should work to get good reviews from the critics. It should definitely not be the case that the critics have to adapt to appease the companies. That defeats the whole purpose of reviews. If you cave in and fall in the second category, you're just a shill.
Just another example of reporters thinking they are more important than the talent.Ooohhhh the youtubers are massing for a lynching/cancelling.
What’s even more fucking annoying than tech youtubers thumbnails is youtubers collective drama. All this over not sending FE cards, not a ban, just FE cards. How fucking entitled.
Sure, stop covering Nvidia See how that goes.
I wrote them lol
Now if you can’t understand how the HU is wrong in this case then it is not my issue.
Its also funny how some in this thread think this is an attack by nvidia on free press and accurate information. Ignoring that we have talked how bullshit HU is reporting on these cards for months by ourselves here. Ignoring how nvidias problem is actually the lack of accurate reporting by HU. The fact that their poor reporting on hardware is due to Steve's personal bias and feeling toward an emergent tech.
This seems to be twisted by some as a corporation strong arming everyone and dictating what they do. Nobody has any business with any other outlet and nothing happened to HU other than not getting freebies by nvidia so they can shit on them and not test them properly.
Troubling how some dont even look at the actual stuff this applies to and think this is corporate bootlicking.
HU shitting on nvidias key features and inaccurate representation of the hardware seems to fly over the head of their defenders, while they claim the high ground of justice
They do. They just say that RT is not prime time yet so for most people it should not be a primary factor.
On 3080's review, only Wolfenstein Youngblood, a whooping 50 seconds segment to go through. He even goes to say :
"So really, for the most part, it looks like the 3080 is faster at stuff like ray tracing, because it is a faster gpu, not because the 2nd gen RT cores are massively improved"
Which is total bullshit, like not even more than 5 mins research. A mere 90 Mhz base clock & 70 Mhz boost clock seperate the 3080 and the 2080 Ti, but we see a 42% increase in performances for ray tracing and 37% when considering DLSS, but again, these amazing "tech" youtubers did not bother showcasing the Wolfenstein youngblood ASYNC patch either, even though their techspot site did, showing a 54% increase in performances. Not only is their assumptions on 2nd gen RT cores wrong, but with this game being the only one benchmarked at HU, we don't really see the full potential of these new gen cores with games that will really stress it, like full path tracing games.
On 3070's review, he spends time to set the table for Nvidia's marketing on RT 2nd gen, and then says "all of that shoulld mean significantly improved performances.... "we see that for DLSS the 3070 is no better than the 2080 TI..."
Uh buddy, the 2080 Ti has 68 RT cores & 544 tensor cores, the 3070 has 46 RT cores and 184 tensor cores. Why is the narrative that the architectural change on RT cores and tensor cores are not affecting the performances?
It's one thing to not care about RT, no really, i'm fine with that, but then, don't start spreading FUD about the architectural changes if you are not going to make a deepdive and test a wide array of RT games.
6800 XT's review, "personally i care little for ray tracing support right now where i feel it's worth enabling" ok sure, a personal opinion. I also think personally that 4k monitors are fucking useless for the performance penalty when 1440p, but i assume that reviewers would want to inform everyone on all possible reasons on wanting to upgrade and dish out >700$ on a card? Then goes to showcase 2 RT games, with RT contact shadows, the bare minimum of RT effects ..
And the cherry on the cake "a new feature that i find way more exciting than ray tracing, at least in the short term, is smart access memory..", that feature that at the time of reviewing was locked to 500 series motherboards and Zen 3 only.
So did linus and jay announce they will stop covering nvidia gpu's? because they are so evil and shit? or do they still accept there freebee's and suck nvidia's dick like the hypocrites they are? there you go. Its all lip service mate.
But its good to see that jay hates nvidia and hopes AMD destroys them, really going to look well when u review products neutral isn't it? what a joke.
They released a separate video discussing at length, both DLSS and RTX after the 3080 launch. A video which was overwhelmingly positive about DLSS in particular.But it is not like nVidia is doing anything wrong.
They just want you to review and test all the features including the new ones in their GPUs.
It is like reviewing a new hybrid electric car talking only about how it perform with gas... it is totally out of the point or context... it is unprofessional.
No
That's not the only thing they say
Gamers Nexus says the same thing as Hardware unboxed, Tech jesus does not care that much about RT or DLSS, he quickly go over the RT performances and moves on, with a light RT/Medium RT/Heavy RT combo like Shadows of the tomb raider, Control & Minecraft.
And that's it. He sticks to presenting the information, no praise or tech breakdown, just a few slides. And THAT IS FINE.
Where Hardware unboxed fails, and that you fail to see, is that, rather than sticking to just showing the slides and move on like GN, he tries to corner Nvidia as a bullshiter of their 2nd gen RT and 3rd gen tensor cores. As i already posted previously in the thread :
So imagine Nvidia looking at the reviews. The guy who barely puts any efforts to benchmark RT correctly, has no heavy path tracing games, is giving the narrative that Nvidia's ampere architecture has no improvement over Turing, it's "just because it's a faster card". If at the very least, they would deepdive into RT games to back up their claims, but as we know, they don't.
And this is probably after Nvidia contacted them, probably multiple times. In fact, just the fact that they chose to not show the results of Wolfensten youngblood with the ASYNC patch, that Nvidia gave them the beta version, is very telling. They are ignoring Nvidia. Nvidia can start ignoring them too.
DLSS / Ray Tracing
We plan to follow up with a more detailed analysis of DLSS and ray tracing on Ampere on a dedicated article, but for the time being, here’s a quick look at both in Wolfenstein Youngblood.
When enabling Ray Tracing the RTX 3080 suffers a 38% performance hit which is better than the 46% performance hit the 2080 Ti suffers. Then if we enable DLSS with ray tracing the 3080 drops just 20% of its original performance which is marginally better than the 25% drop seen with the 2080 Ti. The deltas are not that much different, the RTX 3080 is just faster to begin with.
With Ampere, there’s still that choice between the visual effects of ray tracing, or performance. In some games like Control, ray tracing provides enough of a visual upgrade that you may want to accept the performance hit. In other games, the upgrade is not as significant, so taking a 40-50 FPS hit can be hard to swallow. That’s no different from previous generations, it’s just that the 3080 is a faster GPU overall.
Our tests also show that ray tracing acceleration in the RTX 3080 isn’t overly better than the 2080 Ti's, with less than a 10% speed up to RT acceleration separating the two. In a best-case scenario like Wolfenstein: Youngblood at 4K which received an Ampere-specific patch to improve performance, the RTX 3080 is 25% better at ray tracing acceleration. Ideally, we'd need to see a 50% or even 100% improvement to RT acceleration before the RTX on and off gap feels more acceptable with today’s effects.
Because as Linus says the transaction between Supplier and Reviewer is that Reviewer gets the tools to test the product and the Supplier gets a fair, objective, review.
If you want to take your view though you might as well just take NV/Intel/AMD at their word when they present performance numbers rather than waiting for benchmarks but I bet you don't. I bet you do wait for benchmarks.
Incorrect.
This is what they say as can be found in the written article at Techspot
This is the follow up article I would read the whole thing but here are some snippets from the conclusion.
This is all backed up by numbers. They say nothing that is not factual in relation to performance deltas. You may look at the data and have a different opinion which is obviously fine but their data is correct.
I really don’t respect YouTube reviewers, nor do I care about their journalistic independence. Time for a day job?
Nvidia might very well be slimy, but they don't owe anyone a review card. They just don’t.
Linus spitting absolute hot fire. Nice to see Jay jump on board on twitter too. It is great to see the tech channels showing solidarity and calling out shady shit that crosses the line from Nvidia.
I honestly can't believe some of the takes in this thread. I mean having a brand preference is fine, but this goes beyond an AMD vs Nvidia thing or any of that shit. This is about Nvidia trying to pressure reviewers editorial content, focus and opinions to toe the company line or else. This also acts as a warning to other outlets to toe the Nvidia company line/narrative and push whatever narrative/feature they want or this will happen to you too.
Absolutely shameless, shady, slimy anti independent reviewer, anti competitive and anti consumer behaviour. The fact that we have so many corporate boot lickers in here cheering for this move and acting like 12 year old fanboys because it came from their favourite company is absolutely disgraceful and pretty embarrassing really. Luckily most of the people in this thread don't fall into that category and regardless of company preference or favourite GPU they are calling out this bullshit for that it is.
This really is proof that the cult of Nvidia has really grown under the surface, hidden from view for a while now. This is starting to approach Apple levels of zealotry and cult branding. It really goes to show how good Nvidia's marketing, branding and positioning has been for the better part of a decade that people can turn off all reason and cheerlead such a shitty move like this. The reason we are really starting to see it come out of the woodwork now in this thread and in recent other threads, both from Nvidia themselves and their rabid base is that they finally have some real competition for once.
I've seen some braindead takes in this thread trying to equate anyone who has a problem with this shady shit as being two faced AMD fanboys or Nvidia haters who would champion the move if it was AMD in the driving seat. Absolute nonsense. The reaction from 90% of the people rightfully calling bullshit on this move would be exactly the same if it was AMD, Intel, Apple or whoever. The reason being that this move is blatant bullshit no matter who is pulling it.
Another low IQ take I see is people thinking that the reviewers are in this so that they can get a free $600-800 GPU for personal use in their rig at home. How dumb do you have to be? You see this manifest with takes like:
"Waah they won't get free GPUs and will have to buy them like the rest of us! Good! Boo fucking hoo! Stop crying because you can't get a free card lolz"
All of these channels make far more than the cost of a single GPU from the views/patreon they receive for one video. Being angry because of Nvidia/AMD/Console supply issues and projecting that salt on to tech reviewers because you cannot get one is one of the dumbest trends I've seen as of late and shows a complete misunderstanding of how the tech press/reviews actually work and what their purpose is.
Simply put this is a terrible move by Nvidia and I'm glad that the tech press is uniting in solidarity to call out this bullshit and shine a light on it for what it really is. But the fact that we have so many fanboy takes worshiping at the altar of Nvidia and prostrating themselves to feel good about the company whose name is on their GPU all to have a perceived "win" in their mind is really embarrassing
Yeap about that.They released a separate video discussing at length, both DLSS and RTX after the 3080 launch. A video which was overwhelmingly positive about DLSS in particular.
So tell me, why is Nvidia upset? They're even using HUBs own positive quotes on their website.
So why did they wait 3 months after these very positive reviews to come to the (incorrect) conclusion that HUB doesn't value Nvidia's value-add features. They don't like RTX much, such is their fucking perogative as human beings with actual brains and not marketing material inside their crania.
Fucking hell.
I don't think saying "Who the fuck do you [NVIDIA] think you are?" live on stream and dedicating 30+ minutes to angrily ranting about it counts as "sucking NVIDIA's dick".and suck nvidia's dick like the hypocrites they are?
Yeap about that.
Even his own viewers were questioning his lack of coverage on RT and DLSS... the issue started in it own community and got spread to nVidia (no company like when you review a product and forget the key new features this product has).
His excuse is shit like usual.
Do a professional job and nobody will complain including nVidia.
Nobody is saying that they owe anyone a review card, Mr Strawman.
Ah. You're one of those... I'm not even gonna bother... If you can in the same post argue against sponsorship and for corporate backed publications, I do not know what else to tell you.
And don't you think failing as a channel is equivalent to losing a job...?
What planet do you live on....?
And you might want to actually read the thread and note the moving goalposts throughout, you disingenuous little cheerleader.
Why no bother to make a comparison between 6800XT running the same game as RTX 2070 + DLSS with imagem quality and performance data to his viewer decides what is the best for them?Imagine going out of your way to benchmark Metro Exodus rasterization for the 6800 XT, but at the RT performance page, you could not bother to enable RT like 99% of sites.
Did you type that with an iron?
Yeap about that.
Even his own viewers were questioning his lack of coverage on RT and DLSS... the issue started in it own community and got spread to nVidia (no company like when you review a product and forget the key new features this product has).
His excuse is shit like usual.
Do a professional job and nobody will complain including nVidia.
I don't think saying "Who the fuck do you [NVIDIA] think you are?" live on stream and dedicating 30+ minutes to angrily ranting about it counts as "sucking NVIDIA's dick".
I'm guessing this was supposed to have been clever? Do we need to hire the gaming forum equivalent of Will Smith's character in Hitch, so you don't fail so spectacularly?
The only thing I'm failing to do is figuring out how you were able to stuff Nvidia's penis so far down your throat.
Answer 1
"Hi, everyone. My name is Mr. Dilya. This is how I look and act on the internet when I lose an argument."
Answer 2
Well, it was only one penis, as opposed to the train that Linus and his gimps, Hardware Unboxed and JayzTwoCents have been running on you.
Dollar amount deposited in your bank account for using your Neogaf gold membership to fervently defend Nvidia:
$0.00