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[Shai-Tan]

im laughing at all the posts in here defending Nvidia like it’s totally ok for them to punish an editorial position because you happen to be a fanboy of what ray tracing currently is. Go look at the Twitter of every YouTube creator. Nvidia is getting savaged and for good reason ie journalistic independence. this Nvidia ass kissing is like all the Apple defenders that come out of the woodwork to defend Apple when anything remotely negative is reported about them because they like the product, as if the product itself is all that matters

and for the record, I do have an opinion roughly in line with what hardware unboxed thinks and I arrived at that opinion independently from having a 2080ti since launch. Listing off games with RTX reflections isn’t that impressive to me, and games with nice looking RTX features like global illumination such as metro still don’t have DLSS 2.0. most of the games with RTX it’s pointless shit like reflections that are ridiculously exaggerated (tech demo aesthetics). Meanwhile you’re probably going to have to wait until 4000 series to have all RTX options turned up - even with DLSS on - to get good performance on actually impressive RTX games like cyberpunk, not unlike what happened with metro exodus. I bought Nvidia card primarily because it’s the faster card so it doesn’t matter that i was only interested in actually playing three RTX games at the time (tomb Raider, metro exodus, control). Apparently I should be masturbating to quake 1 and Minecraft running at 30FPS

 

[Chiggs]

im laughing at all the posts in here defending Nvidia like it’s totally ok for them to punish an editorial position because you happen to be a fanboy of what ray tracing currently is. Go look at the Twitter of every YouTube creator. Nvidia is getting savaged and for good reason ie journalistic independence. this Nvidia ass kissing is like all the Apple defenders that come out of the woodwork to defend Apple when anything remotely negative is reported about them because they like the product, as if the product itself is all that matters

and for the record, I do have an opinion roughly in line with what hardware unboxed thinks and I arrived at that opinion independently from having a 2080ti since launch. Listing off games with RTX reflections isn’t that impressive to me, and games with nice looking RTX features like global illumination such as metro still don’t have DLSS 2.0. most of the games with RTX it’s pointless shit like reflections that are ridiculously exaggerated (tech demo aesthetics). Meanwhile you’re probably going to have to wait until 4000 series to have all RTX options turned up - even with DLSS on - to get good performance on actually impressive RTX games like cyberpunk, not unlike what happened with metro exodus. I bought Nvidia card primarily because it’s the faster card so it doesn’t matter that i was only interested in actually playing three RTX games at the time (tomb Raider, metro exodus, control). Apparently I should be masturbating to quake 1 and Minecraft running at 30FPS

I really don’t respect YouTube reviewers, nor do I care about their journalistic independence. Time for a day job?

Nvidia might very well be slimy, but they don't owe anyone a review card. They just don’t.

 

[Rentahamster]

Anyone watching Linus rant like a loon about how evil Nvidia is right now?

I mean, it's a bit ridiculous.

Nope, not ridiculous at all. Linus is spot on and he is perfectly justified for being pissed for all the reasons he laid out.

 

[londontko]

im laughing at all the posts in here defending Nvidia like it’s totally ok for them to punish an editorial position because you happen to be a fanboy of what ray tracing currently is. Go look at the Twitter of every YouTube creator. Nvidia is getting savaged and for good reason ie journalistic independence. this Nvidia ass kissing is like all the Apple defenders that come out of the woodwork to defend Apple when anything remotely negative is reported about them because they like the product, as if the product itself is all that matters

and for the record, I do have an opinion roughly in line with what hardware unboxed thinks and I arrived at that opinion independently from having a 2080ti since launch. Listing off games with RTX reflections isn’t that impressive to me, and games with nice looking RTX features like global illumination such as metro still don’t have DLSS 2.0. most of the games with RTX it’s pointless shit like reflections that are ridiculously exaggerated (tech demo aesthetics). Meanwhile you’re probably going to have to wait until 4000 series to have all RTX options turned up - even with DLSS on - to get good performance on actually impressive RTX games like cyberpunk, not unlike what happened with metro exodus. I bought Nvidia card primarily because it’s the faster card so it doesn’t matter that i was only interested in actually playing three RTX games at the time (tomb Raider, metro exodus, control). Apparently I should be masturbating to quake 1 and Minecraft running at 30FPS

 

[Rentahamster]

Right. I mean, I get where he's coming from, but he's acting like this is some assault on the free press (he said as much), and I don't see it that way. Is Nvidia being slimy? Sure. But they always have been, and they don't have to send people their product for reviews, period.

And you're okay with this paradigm? They're being slimy but I'm not gonna give them shit for that because they've always been slimy.

Hold these companies to a higher standard otherwise you succumb to their marketing.

 

[londontko]

Decisions decisions....

 

[IntentionalPun]

That's how getting free samples works in just about any industry. You can get them if you play by their terms.

There is very little journalistic integrity at all with any hobbyist review industry.

If these industries cared so much they'd stop accepting free pre-release units, or free review units at all. I'd support any outlet that did that really; including game reviews.. a well written review by someone who paid for the game a week after it's out would be fine by me. Same with game consoles, graphics card, anything..

 

[Chiggs]

And you're okay with this paradigm? They're being slimy but I'm not gonna give them shit for that because they've always been slimy.

Hold these companies to a higher standard otherwise you succumb to their marketing.

I'll say it again: I don't care about YouTube reviewers. Most of them lack any credibility whatsoever, and if they really care about journalistic integrity and independence, they can start buying their own units with some of that merchandise money they make, and remove all doubt by completely eliminating their sponsored videos. How's that for a start? They do that, and then watch me suddenly care about their well-being.

Also, you seem to be under the impression that YouTubers are some sort of beacon of truth and light. They're not. If anything, the rise of the social media influencer has me yearning for the days of corporate-backed publications, since many of those people actually went to school for Journalism, had a clear understanding of ethical responsibility, and if something suspect went down, people would lose their jobs...even if it was sacrificial bloodletting by management to retain subscriptions.

This isn't the French Revolution, and Linus and Hardware Unboxed are not freedom-fighting heroes. They're entertainers, at best. Stop being so naive and idealistic. It's embarrassing.

 

[sertopico]

nvidia is not new to this kinds of behaviours, unfortunately.

 

[Rentahamster]

I'll say it again: I don't care about YouTube reviewers. Most of them lack any credibility whatsoever, and if they really care about journalistic integrity and independence, they can start buying their own units with some of that merchandise money they make, and remove all doubt by completely eliminating their sponsored videos. How's that for a start? They do that, and then watch me suddenly care about their well-being.

Also, you seem to be under the impression that YouTubers are some sort of beacon of truth and light. They're not. If anything, the rise of the social media influencer has me yearning for the days of corporate-backed publications, since many of those people actually went to school for Journalism, had a clear understanding of ethical responsibility, and if something suspect went down, people would lose their jobs...even if it was sacrificial bloodletting by management to retain subscriptions.

This isn't the French Revolution, and Linus and Hardware Unboxed are not freedom-fighting heroes. They're entertainers, at best. Stop being so naive and idealistic. It's embarrassing.

What's embarrassing is your eagerness to kowtow to the corporate narrative at the expense of the third party independent verification process.

I value integrity, hard work, and objective numbers. I don't care who you are or what media platform you use. If you provide objective and true data, then you are useful to my interests. Corporations that try to undermine that relationship in favor of their self serving marketing schemes can get fucked.

 

[Chiggs]

What's embarrassing is your eagerness to kowtow to the corporate narrative at the expense of the third party independent verification process.

Go get 'em, Freedom Fighter! You totally sound like you know the score, and none of those corporate motherfuckers are gonna pull the wool over your eyes.

Before you storm the Bastille, be sure to have mommy make you a plate of chicken tendies before you head out on your liberation crusade.

 

[Rentahamster]

Go get 'em, Freedom Fighter! You totally sound like you know the score, and none of those corporate motherfuckers are gonna pull the wool over your eyes.

Before you storm the Bastille, be sure to have mommy make you a plate of chicken tendies before you head out on your liberation crusade.

I applaud your cogent response full of facts and reasonable, relevant arguments.

 

[londontko]

What's embarrassing is your eagerness to kowtow to the corporate narrative at the expense of the third party independent verification process.

I value integrity, hard work, and objective numbers. I don't care who you are or what media platform you use. If you provide objective and true data, then you are useful to my interests. Corporations that try to undermine that relationship in favor of their self serving marketing schemes can get fucked.

People are seemingly unable to look at just the context and are hell-bent on framing this as evil corporate overlord vs innocent journalist... Can we not just look at the facts and leave all the other bullshit at the door.

 

[londontko]

 

[Rentahamster]

People are seemingly unable to look at just the context and are hell-bent on framing this as evil corporate overlord vs innocent journalist... Can we not just look at the facts and leave all the other bullshit at the door.

What do you mean by that? Are you suggesting that I'm not looking at the facts or that I am?

 

[Chiggs]

I applaud your cogent response full of facts and reasonable, relevant arguments.

I laid those out earlier for you, but you clearly believe YouTubers are doing the Lord's work, so it's now just funnier to turn to insults.

And I have no misconceptions of Nvidia's behavior and marketing aggression. But one thing keeps coming back as I assess the situation: they don't owe Hardware Unboxed a free review card.

 

[londontko]

What do you mean by that? Are you suggesting that I'm not looking at the facts or that I am?

I don't think you're being objective about Nvidia's complaints and are buying into the narrative I described above.

 

[Rentahamster]

laid those out earlier for you, but you clearly believe YouTubers are doing the Lord's work, so it's now just funnier to turn to insults.

Clearly, insults are the best way to make an argument. You should debate at Oxford.

And I have no misconceptions of Nvidia's behavior and marketing aggression.

Congratulations.

But one thing keeps coming back as I assess the situation: they don't owe Hardware Unboxed a free review card.

Cool, thanks for this completely useless talking point that I also agree with.

 

[Chiggs]

Cool, thanks for this completely useless talking point that I also agree with.

Fantastic. So then it's settled. Have a great weekend.

 

[Rentahamster]

I don't think you're being objective about Nvidia's complaints and are buying into the narrative I described above.

Based on what justification? What facts have I overlooked or misstated?

 

[Rentahamster]

Fantastic. So then it's settled. Have a great weekend.

 

[Chiggs]

You've got nothing, I understand. This thread couldn't have been easy for you.

Don't worry, it gets better.

 

[Rentahamster]

You've got nothing, I understand. This thread couldn't have been easy for you.

Don't worry, it gets better.

I'm sure it does. You have a great weekend too.

 

[londontko]

Based on what justification? What facts have I overlooked or misstated?

Well I haven't really seen your take on why you think Nvidia is being unreasonable in this situation or how you justify them trying to equalize performance with AMD cards (something no other reviewer did) by ignoring ray tracing and DLSS.

 

[Rentahamster]

Well I haven't really seen your take on why you think Nvidia is being unreasonable in this situation

Then you have no grounds to claim that I'm not being objective or that I'm buying in to some kind of narrative.

by ignoring ray tracing and DLSS.

Now who's not dealing with facts.

 

[londontko]

Then you have no grounds to claim that I'm not being objective or that I'm buying in to some kind of narrative.


Now who's not dealing with facts.

Sorry let me restate. When comparing Nvidia with AMD offerings they are seeking to equalize performance by comparing rasterization instead of ray tracing and DLSS, punishing Nvidia - in my opinion - for AMD not having competing tech. Better?

Now you explain why that's an unreasonable take.

 

[Rentahamster]

they are seeking to equalize performance

They are seeking to focus on the aspects that they and their audience care about, not "equalize performance". They did a poll and the majority of their audience wanted them to focus more on rasterization. Their own opinion is that raytracing is not widespread enough yet to make it a huge focus. In this video they analogize it to AA when it first arrived on the scene.

by comparing rasterization instead of ray tracing and DLSS

Wrong. There is no "instead of ray tracing and DLSS". HU acknowledged both of those in their 6800XT review.

The main advantage though of the geforce gpu as I see it is the more mature ray tracing support and of course dlss 2.0, though both are questionable features and in our opinion aren't major selling points unless you play a specific selection of games. Basically what I mean by that is the game support list is just too limited. dlss 2.0 is amazing, it's just not enough games there are even less games where you can really enjoy ray traced effects. The best AAA implementations that we've seen so far at least in our opinion is watch dogs legion and control though again the performance hit is massive but at least you can notice the effects in those titles.

They even did a whole dedicated video on Nvidia exclusive features like DLSS, raytracing, and Nvidia reflex!

punishing Nvidia - in my opinion

"Punishing Nvidia" by saying that "DLSS 2.0 is amazing" and that Nvidia's raytracing is "more mature"? That's quite a punishment. They go over the areas that Nvidia has an advantage over AMD and they go over the areas that AMD has an advantage over Nvidia, and they explain what kind of gamer should care about those differences and what kind of gamer shouldn't care. This gives the consumer all the information they need to apply to their own use case and then make an informed decision.

 

[ShadowNate]

I mean, HU could still buy the card when it's out and review it then, right?

It could hurt Nvidia's sales maybe, but it is their decision to make, on who gets the free preview samples. It shouldn't be enforced on them and it shouldn't be considered an unbreakable permanent "contract" with review sites.

I'm kind of over this whole influencers/review outlets meteoric rise to power and entitlement thing.

 

[alucard0712_rus]

Before the 3060ti came out, I would have bought a 5700 over a 2060 too.

And thats fully understandable.

 

[alucard0712_rus]

What are you talking about bro? AMD cards supported DX12 before DX12 even came out. DX12 was released in July 2015, while AMD had DX12 capable cards since the first GCN architecture, which was January 2012.

Sorry, I meant DX12 ultimate.

 

[londontko]

Weird they were the only ones that did that... 30% wanted ray tracing, I'm one of their fans and it matters to me. I don't want their opinion, I want their objectivity.

Are you even listening to your own videos that you've time stamped? I feel like you've done my work for me. In the first one you linked he talks about how he doesn't like ray tracing and didn't out any effort into benching it for the review (again injecting his own bias), then for the one game he does benchmark he makes a point of shitting on the implementation lol.

He says 'DLSS and ray tracing are both questionable features and aren't major selling points'...

Are you trolling me?

 

[TyphoonStruggle]

 

[Rentahamster]

Weird they were the only ones that did that... 30% wanted ray tracing, I'm one of their fans and it matters to me. I don't want their opinion, I want their objectivity.

Here you go, fan.

Are you even listening to your own videos that you've time stamped?

Yup.

I feel like you've done my work for me.

Nice feelings you got there.

In the first one you linked he talks about how he doesn't like ray tracing and didn't out any effort into benching it for the review (again injecting his own bias), then for the one game he does benchmark he makes a point of shitting on the implementation lol.

Where does he say he "doesn't like" raytracing, or "didn't put any effort" into his benchmarks?

He says 'DLSS and ray tracing are both questionable features and aren't major selling points'...

Given the context of when he's saying that, it's a completely true point for the kind of gamer that point is directed towards. Rasterization is what you need to actually run the damn game in the first place. Raytracing and DLSS are eye candy and performance boosts after the fact. RELATIVELY SPEAKING, one is going to be more important than the other.

5 years down the line when Raytracing is much more integrated into games is when that statement will have less relevance since it will be less of an optional feature and more of a hard requirement.

Are you trolling me?

No.

 

[Soulblighter31]

Here you go, fan.






Yup.

The first video is the other, non retarded guy of the two looking just at this, in a dedicated video.

The other video is the retarded one, the one being called out on this, benchmarking only 2 games, the ones that make AMD look the best out of all the games, while saying he cares very little about ray tracing, he didnt actually do much testing on this and how he feels there are almost no games worth this tech. I mean, jesus fucking christ. The guy needs to show all of us on where did the bad ray tracing guy touch him as a young boy. He acts as if RT personally offended him.

They are being called on this because they ignore RT almost completely in their regular GPU testing, along with the fact that he takes 2 minutes shitting on it when it comes up in every video. That first video is not valid regarding the situation now. Its not about if they ever talked about RT, is about giving this feature a proper testing on every GPU review they do that suports it. You can look at Digital Foundry for example, RT gets as much treatment as rasterization does. Its the primary next gen feature.

I have to say, Steve from Gamers Nexus is dissapointing me as well with his idiotic stance on this, which is simmilar to the one HU has.

 

[Low Moral Fibre]

Nvidia might be out there doing all kinds of scummy stuff which is right to call out although this twitter crying is admittedly not a great look.

I will add that every time I’ve seen a chart from HWU from a game with DLSS 2.0 support that didn’t have a separate bar with it toggled on for Nvidia cards I knew it was pointless information and I’m sure that most people with access to DLSS would agree.

 

[rofif]

6800xt and the 3080 trade blows depending on the game. If you don’t care about RT (I never bothered with RT on my old 2080Ti) then it comes down to other factors such as RAM 16GB vs 10GB (+AMD) and price (+AMD). The 3080 has less RAM than my old 2080Ti. Plus slight bonus performance combined with Ryzen 5000.

Unless you’re an Nvidia fanboy or are all in on RT, then go with what works best. I’ve used AMD cards, Nvidia cards, ATi cards, 3dfx cards, S3 cards, Matrox cards. I use what works best for me.

Sure, they trade 2fps blows.... It's more like a margin of error..
Sure 6800xt is 30usd cheaper msrp...
Sure 6800xt has 16gb of ram...

First of all, the price difference is too low. 6800xt should be cheaper.
16gb vram don't matter even in cyberpunk. Before it matters, this cards will be too slow. Here and now it's just a number.
6800xt lacks any features like DLSS and rt. Both of which are in every new game now....

Wow. 6800xt is such a Great deal. Pay the same money, get half of the card. Seriously, cyberpunk is only playable thanks to dlss

 

[RedVIper]

Viewers should decide if they agree or disagree with HU's methods in which they review cards, that's why most people go to different reviewers for different things. Nvidia should not have any say in how or what is being tested and/or reviewed.

This is basically Nvidia saying you're banned until you change your tune to our marketing direction. Not a good look.

He's not banned, he just doesn't get free shit. Jesus the hyperbole

 

[Dr.D00p]

I have to say, Steve from Gamers Nexus is disappointing me as well with his idiotic stance on this, which is similar to the one HU has.

He's an Insufferable, self righteous prick.

So is Linus, 12.5m subs? fuck me, talk about the the triumph of mediocrity over talent.

 

[smbu2000]

Sure, they trade 2fps blows.... It's more like a margin of error..
Sure 6800xt is 30usd cheaper msrp...
Sure 6800xt has 16gb of ram...

First of all, the price difference is too low. 6800xt should be cheaper.
16gb vram don't matter even in cyberpunk. Before it matters, this cards will be too slow. Here and now it's just a number.
6800xt lacks any features like DLSS and rt. Both of which are in every new game now....

Wow. 6800xt is such a Great deal. Pay the same money, get half of the card. Seriously, cyberpunk is only playable thanks to dlss

Depends on where you are located. Where I'm located the price difference between the lowest priced 6800XT compared to the lowest priced 3080 is about the equivalent of $100 USD.
That's quite a big jump when they trade blows in rasterization performance. As I said in the quoted post, I never bothered with DLSS/RT on my previous card (2080Ti) and I still have no intention of using it with the new card I buy, so RT performance makes no difference to me. The only problem is that I haven't seen a 6800XT in stock yet (only the 6800 at one store), but 3000 series cards are easily available...(3070/3080/3090) I haven't checked the shops since the 3060Ti launched, but I'm guessing that would be easy to find as well.

I own Cyberpunk on my Xbox (from the X1X cyberpunk edition I bought) and I'm playing it on my XSX. I have no intention of buying it again even when I do get a new videocard.

10GB on the 3080 is definitely disappointing. Reminds me of when I bought a GTX 580 and the 1.5GB of RAM on it was overwhelmed pretty quickly even though it was the flagship Nvidia card when I bought it. The 3GB Radeon 7970 Ghz edition I switched over to later lasted me much longer.
The 3080 has less RAM than my previous two videocards, the 11GB 2080Ti and the 11GB 1080Ti before that. Pretty ridiculous that Nvidia skimps on RAM.

 

[MadAnon]

If Nvidia is this slimy cheating asshole as these tech youtubers claim then what it tells about their integrity as they keep accepting pre-release free review samples to get $$$. Suddenly Jayz2cents comes out with this "godawful Nvidia" info to earn some of those tech community social points. Where was he before? Oh yes, had to take advantage of those free pre-release samples. Money doesn't stink. God, these tech youtubers pretending to be some small, honest working people getting pushed around by the big bad corp while enjoying massive influence on tech community.

 

[Marlenus]

They also happen to be the (1) of (2) site from out of (17) that favors 6800 XT at 1440p, but not only a possible error, they have the lowest average for the 3080. (again a narrative we keep hearing since the beginning that the 6800 XT is better at rasterization at lower resolutions, it's statistically not)

That is due to different game lineups. HUB skew their lineup towards newer titles and refresh it more often.

For example TPU test AC: Odyssey and HUB/Techspot test AC: Valhalla. If you look at the individual game results at TPU there are 5 games that have more CPU overhead in 1080p/1440p on Radeon hardware. This shows up in their final summary.

Now those data points are perfectly legit but saying Ampere does better at 1080p/1440p because many sites use older DX11 titles is really disingenuous when people are moaning that HUB dont put enough emphasis on RT and DLSS performance which are currently niche.

It is also worth pointing out that in newer titles RDNA2 does really well as can be seen here . At 4k in these 7 games the 6900XT is ahead in 5 of them vs the 3090 and the 6800XT is ahead in 5 vs the 3080 also at 4k. If you added Cyberpunk it is still a 5-3 advantage for RDNA2 at 4k and this improves at lower resolutions.

 

[Mister Wolf]

The first video is the other, non retarded guy of the two looking just at this, in a dedicated video.

The other video is the retarded one, the one being called out on this, benchmarking only 2 games, the ones that make AMD look the best out of all the games, while saying he cares very little about ray tracing, he didnt actually do much testing on this and how he feels there are almost no games worth this tech. I mean, jesus fucking christ. The guy needs to show all of us on where did the bad ray tracing guy touch him as a young boy. He acts as if RT personally offended him.

They are being called on this because they ignore RT almost completely in their regular GPU testing, along with the fact that he takes 2 minutes shitting on it when it comes up in every video. That first video is not valid regarding the situation now. Its not about if they ever talked about RT, is about giving this feature a proper testing on every GPU review they do that suports it. You can look at Digital Foundry for example, RT gets as much treatment as rasterization does. Its the primary next gen feature.

I have to say, Steve from Gamers Nexus is dissapointing me as well with his idiotic stance on this, which is simmilar to the one HU has.

Everyone could see what he was doing. He tried to be slick and somebody at Nvidia saw it. Now its no more free stuff.

 

[Ironbunny]

Linuses rant about this on wan show was really on point. He really saw it how it is. This aint about the free cards as some here are talking about.

 

[Soulblighter31]

That is due to different game lineups. HUB skew their lineup towards newer titles and refresh it more often.

For example TPU test AC: Odyssey and HUB/Techspot test AC: Valhalla. If you look at the individual game results at TPU there are 5 games that have more CPU overhead in 1080p/1440p on Radeon hardware. This shows up in their final summary.

Now those data points are perfectly legit but saying Ampere does better at 1080p/1440p because many sites use older DX11 titles is really disingenuous when people are moaning that HUB dont put enough emphasis on RT and DLSS performance which are currently niche.

It is also worth pointing out that in newer titles RDNA2 does really well as can be seen here . At 4k in these 7 games the 6900XT is ahead in 5 of them vs the 3090 and the 6800XT is ahead in 5 vs the 3080 also at 4k. If you added Cyberpunk it is still a 5-3 advantage for RDNA2 at 4k and this improves at lower resolutions.

Sites dont use older titles. Its just that HU magically selected 3 titles that show an abnormal skewing for AMD due to lacking any sort of hw optimization for nvidia. They somehow managed to include a pioece of shit like Godfall which nobody plays or cares about, therefore helping no one in observing how the cards perform and Dirt 5 who is another AMD card who doesnt even render the gameworld the same on both vendors. Valhalla is fair game, thats ok.

If they include newer games why didnt they include Mafia, Crysis Remastered, Baldurs Gate 3, Ghostrunner, etc. ?? Because the 3080 wins in all of them, so it doesnt gel with his AMD leaning articles. The other sites dont use old DX11 games, they use a selection from everything. A lot of newer games. They just dont pick a bunch of games that specifically underperform on nvidia to artificially inflate AMD and present a false image of performance for the 6800XT.

 

[YuLY]

Nvidia didnt ban them, its their right to decide who they send free stuff to, realize the difference and stop embarassing yourself.

With that being said, 1 of the persons from that site is known for hating raytracing and having an agenda against it, while they kinda skew the benchmark results in favor of AMD. Seeing this, Nvidia just decided not to send them free shit.

 

[Mithos]

 

[Ascend]

That's my point. If I, as a manufacturer/developer/whatever am specifically pushing a feature, and if I lay out expectations for reviewers and they DON'T deliver... why should I give them hardware, or anything?

Playing devil's advocate here obviously but Its funny to see ppl screaming at nvidia for being anti-competitive or whatever but its a really a fucking BASIC PREMISE.

If you want the freedom to review AS YOU PLEASE and to focus on whatever you personally choose, that is your choice... but it is my choice as a hardware manufacturer to NOT give you FREE HARDWARE because there is no benefit to ME. You are perfectly free to obtain said hardware yourself, and review it completely free of any/all restrictions. If I try to silence you under those grounds then ok, I'd be totally in the wrong.

But goddamn, crying like a little bitch because I don't give you free shit FOR NOTHING IN RETURN is nothing short of being an entitled little REEEEEEEEEEra mentally ill faggotma'am that expects the world to hand them supreme rulership for free.

Its called GIVE AND TAKE also known as a professional business relationship... If you do not give, do not expect to take! How fucking hard is that to understand? FFS I swear the entitlement...

Nvidia doesn't owe this guy anything. He is free to buy the product like everyone else and review it as he sees fit.

That's easy to say. But you have to remember that they will therefore not get the card in time to do all the analysis to release their review on the embargo date, which is either just before or on the day of release.

In the current market where everything sells out, it likely means not getting a card at all, since you can't buy them either. You really think this doesn't hurt such a channel? Not only will everyone be watching all the other channels instead, but if you get your video out a week or two later, the amount of people interested will be a lot lower. That means the views will be lower, and that means that income will be lower.

Hardware Unboxed can take it because of their size. But it sets a very bad precedent, because if only the ones that are positive are allowed to get the products on time, you're never going to get honest reviews, and that defeats the whole purpose of reviews in the first place.
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Does nVidia have a right to free marketing from their reviewers that get free cards?

If your answer is no;
nVidia wanting an editorial direction change in order for Hardware Unboxed to receive these cards again in the future, does not strike you at all as nVidia extorting free marketing from their reviewers....?

If your answer is yes;
If only the ones that give positive reviews are allowed to get the products on time, you're never going to get honest reviews, and that defeats the whole purpose of reviews in the first place.


Try again.

 

[Marlenus]

Sites dont use older titles. Its just that HU magically selected 3 titles that show an abnormal skewing for AMD due to lacking any sort of hw optimization for nvidia. They somehow managed to include a pioece of shit like Godfall which nobody plays or cares about, therefore helping no one in observing how the cards perform and Dirt 5 who is another AMD card who doesnt even render the gameworld the same on both vendors. Valhalla is fair game, thats ok.

If they include newer games why didnt they include Mafia, Crysis Remastered, Baldurs Gate 3, Ghostrunner, etc. ?? Because the 3080 wins in all of them, so it doesnt gel with his AMD leaning articles. The other sites dont use old DX11 games, they use a selection from everything. A lot of newer games. They just dont pick a bunch of games that specifically underperform on nvidia to artificially inflate AMD and present a false image of performance for the 6800XT.

TPU use plenty of older DX11 titles, they also use newer titles so you get a decent summary but if you are buying for future performance DX11 is pretty much irrelevant.

You could just as easily use Dirt 5, Start Wars Squadrons, AC:Valhalla, Serious Sam 4 and get AMD skews. Also I cannot find any benchmarks for Baldurs Gate 3 or Ghostrunner from reputable sites like TPU, Anandtech, Guru 3d, OC3D, Techspot, Gamers Nexus etc so no idea how you can claim that they perform better on NV vs AMD hardware.

But lets take the 7 games ComputerBase tested and add in Cyberpunk and Crysis. That makes it 9 games and at 4k the 6900XT beats the 3090 5-4 (although you could say it is 4-4 and 1 tie) and the 6800XT beats the 3080 by a 5-4 margin. The 9 games are AC: Valhalla, COD:BO:CW, Cyberpunk, Crysis Remastered (which is a shitshow but whatever), Dirt 5, Mafia: DE, Serious Sam 4, Star Wars Squadrons and WD: Legion.

So yes. In newer games RDNA2 > Ampere at 1080p and 1440p on average with a close battle at 4k. It does not take many Divinty Original Sin 2's or Project Cars 3's or Far Cry 5's to skew the 1080p and 1440p results in an unrealistic way if you are looking forward. Funnily enough though in Far Cry 5 the 6900XT is faster than the 3090 at 4k but it is a 2018 DX11 game so not really relevant for a purchasing decision where most games are DX12 / Vulkan.

 

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These guys pretending that nvidia was this good guy like linus did in his rage retard mode video is laughable at best. Nvidia is already for years shitting on its consumers and aib partners and evidence all around us for that they even made content about it most likely. So let's drop the act shall we.

At the end of the day nvidia doesn't need them as much as they need nvidia.

By themselves, no. But if everyone drops nVidia, it's another story.

I really don’t respect YouTube reviewers, nor do I care about their journalistic independence. Time for a day job?

I seriously don't get this. It's a service to the benefit of the consumer, and they gain money for it. It basically IS a day job. I respect people that have the balls to start up their own business, be it in the real world or online, a lot more than someone that takes the easy road of a 9-5 job. And I see anyone that doesn't as either ignorant or envious.

That's how getting free samples works in just about any industry. You can get them if you play by their terms.

There is very little journalistic integrity at all with any hobbyist review industry.

If these industries cared so much they'd stop accepting free pre-release units, or free review units at all. I'd support any outlet that did that really; including game reviews.. a well written review by someone who paid for the game a week after it's out would be fine by me. Same with game consoles, graphics card, anything..

The companies should work to get good reviews from the critics. It should definitely not be the case that the critics have to adapt to appease the companies. That defeats the whole purpose of reviews. If you cave in and fall in the second category, you're just a shill.

 

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I'll say it again: I don't care about YouTube reviewers. Most of them lack any credibility whatsoever, and if they really care about journalistic integrity and independence, they can start buying their own units with some of that merchandise money they make, and remove all doubt by completely eliminating their sponsored videos.

They do. Keep showing us that ignorance of yours.

and remove all doubt by completely eliminating their sponsored videos. How's that for a start? They do that, and then watch me suddenly care about their well-being.

Why does that influence their credibility...? Having a sponsor of for example a PC case on a graphics card video is not a conflict of interest at all.

Also, you seem to be under the impression that YouTubers are some sort of beacon of truth and light. They're not. If anything, the rise of the social media influencer has me yearning for the days of corporate-backed publications, since many of those people actually went to school for Journalism, had a clear understanding of ethical responsibility, and if something suspect went down, people would lose their jobs...even if it was sacrificial bloodletting by management to retain subscriptions.

Ah. You're one of those... I'm not even gonna bother... If you can in the same post argue against sponsorship and for corporate backed publications, I do not know what else to tell you.
And don't you think failing as a channel is equivalent to losing a job...?
What planet do you live on....?

This isn't the French Revolution, and Linus and Hardware Unboxed are not freedom-fighting heroes. They're entertainers, at best. Stop being so naive and idealistic. It's embarrassing.

The fact that you think Hardware Unboxed and LinusTechTips are the same says a lot. Keep showing us that ignorance.

they don't owe Hardware Unboxed a free review card.

Hardware Unboxed don't owe nVidia free marketing either.