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[AJUMP23]

A Verge article on this specific leak is out in case you find the slides a bit too much on tech and corporate jargon: https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/19/23880138/microsoft-xbox-2028-hybrid-cloud-games-platform

thanks....I hate the verge. but I am interested in the leaks so I will give it a click. I want to read the internal communication.

 

[Sanepar]

There still any doubt that Microsoft vision for game future is renting and cloud only?

 

[Audiophile]

If MS stick with this, putting out a revised system with the same performance at $499 and digital-only w/ no disc drive; while Sony put out a Pro at roughly the same price, a "Slim" a good bit cheaper & maintain the option of discs (perhaps in the form of a universal, slot-in add-on drive for both new systems). Then Sony will garner considerable good will from the gaming community.

 

[Dr.D00p]

If they're thinking of using ARM it's because they're probably thinking of buying the company.

 

[adamsapple]

If they're thinking of using ARM it's because they're probably thinking of buying the company.

That's not how it works lol

 

[Dr.D00p]

That's not how it works lol

ARM is about to be publicly listed on the stock exchange.

They're fair game for anyone.

 

[Salty Popsicle]

But they couldn't get bg3 running slit screen on series s

Hardware limitation =/= Lacking in Software Expertise

Hell, the game doesn't even run smoothly on PS5.

 

[Kokoloko85]

I'm 50/50 when it comes to online only. Enjoyed both The Crew and The Division. You get some shit maintenance here and there but overall it's good. It all depends on the game.

I dont mind it for a few games. But overall would prefer an offline mode. A whole console/platform where everything would have to be always online would suck

 

[Twinblade]

I hate to see it, but the future is digital and always online. Gamers in shitty area's with shitty internet are just fucked at this point.

 

[quest]

ARM is about to be publicly listed on the stock exchange.

They're fair game for anyone.

They be shut down like nvidia. Anyone with skin in that game will never get ARM. The competition ie almost everyone with a ARM cpu will stop it.

 

[El Muerto]

This cloud shit for games needs to stop. ISPs suck and give data caps for no reason, and most Americans can barely get stable internet.

 

[Guerilla Munch]

lmao remember when the xBone was centered around cable television everyone hated, came bundled with an always-on camera nobody wanted, and tried to limit physical game sharing? I'm getting those vibes again

 

[Senua]

lmao remember when the xBone was centered around cable television everyone hated, came bundled with an always-on camera nobody wanted, and tried to limit physical game sharing? I'm getting those vibes again

They were just ahead of their time tbh lol

 

[IntentionalPun]

This stuff is interesting, but a lot of it is pretty old documents, considering that "game release" doc is from FY2020.

So I wouldn't count on all of this stuff coming true.

Sony is so solid at just producing awesome hardware that I find it more interesting that MS is trying something new.

But in the end the cloud/hybrid shit will probably not work well, so they better put a powerful ARM processor in that next machine if that's the direction they are going.

 

[MarkMe2525]

No matter how good it is, there is always going to be a performance loss, and that’s bad for gaming especially when you consider that the hardware is already relatively weak.

Their ARM efforts are very poor so far, especially compared to Apple… now, if Apple said this I’d be more excited, but hopefully they stick to AMD.

A performance costs vs native hardware compatibility, but that doesn't matter if it still can be played at the games targeted framerate.

 

[Elder Legend]

I was right. New generation starts in 2028 Holiday.

 

[Syphon Filter]

drm incoming, the future looks bleak.

 

[graywolf323]

I for one can’t wait to play Crackdown 3 with my friends online for hours destroying buildings

 

[IntentionalPun]

No matter how good it is, there is always going to be a performance loss, and that’s bad for gaming especially when you consider that the hardware is already relatively weak.

Their ARM efforts are very poor so far, especially compared to Apple… now, if Apple said this I’d be more excited, but hopefully they stick to AMD.

It's only a perf lost relative to a native ARM version running on the same hardware.

You can increase perf compared to Xbox Series X w/ emulation on a competent ARM CPU. Keep in mind much of the work is done by the GPU anyways, not like they have to do full DirectX emulation like they have to on Apple hardware.

The real question is whether they can get away with nearly "Full BC" w/ a setup like that, or if it will have to be selective w/ games like the Xbox 360 emu on the Xbox One.

 

[Dr. Samuel Hayden]

Feel like the universe is just telling me to dumpster consoles and go full PC at this point. This seems like their 2013 bullshit all over again.

 

[RoadHazard]

Ah, yes, the power of the cloud.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

Fake.

There is virtually no reason to go with a balance of big.little cores for a CPU of a non-mobile platform that doesn't have to run off battery power.

 

[FunkMiller]

Cloud and digital only console can get fucked.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Keep in mind there's a leak stating MS had basically zero investment in xCloud in 2022, stating poor uptake (even after Fortnite.)

We'll see if that means MS might change a plan like a "hybrid console", it might.

 

[Bry0]

Fake.

There is virtually no reason to go with a balance of big.little cores for a CPU of a non-mobile platform that doesn't have to run off battery power.

Tell Microsoft their slides are fake then, lol. Also tell intel their pc architecture is wrong I guess.

 

[Insane Metal]

ML super resolution (or just call it DLSS lol) is amazing for a home console. If Cloud is used for that only I'm all for it.

 

[IntentionalPun]

ML super resolution (or just call it DLSS lol) is amazing for a home console. If Cloud is used for that only I'm all for it.

Cloud has nothing to do with DLSS.

 

[Insane Metal]

Cloud has nothing to do with DLSS.

No? Oh. I thought they were trying to implement something like that. I know DLSS itself is not an online/cloud based thing. So... better keep our consoles... home consoles.

 

[IntentionalPun]

No? Oh. I thought they were trying to implement something like that. I know DLSS itself is not an online/cloud based thing. So... better keep our consoles... home consoles.

Massive server farms are used to develop the "data models" that help DLSS run, and those servers are maybe in the cloud... But those data models are downloaded to your machine locally, so that would have nothing to do with a "hybrid console" design.

 

[Insane Metal]

Massive server farms are used to develop the "data models" that help DLSS run, and those servers are maybe in the cloud... But those data models are downloaded to your machine locally, so that would have nothing to do with a "hybrid console" design.

Yeah I know, so in this case they're basically coming back with the 'games running on the cloud with better framerates, better physics and so on' stuff?

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

Tell Microsoft their slides are fake then, lol. Also tell intel their pc architecture is wrong I guess.

These slides are alleged to be from a leak. They could be a plant.

Also, Intel doesn't supply CPUs to any console. Big.little cores on a discrete CPU sold into markets where power consumption matters (e.g. data centres) makes sense. For a console, it doesn't.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Yeah I know, so in this case they're basically coming back with the 'games running on the cloud with better framerates, better physics and so on' stuff?

Crackdown 3 stuff basically.

Entire concept has been one huge flop so far.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

It different kind of brain or think space for computer box. Apple computer box recently now Arm brain, no more intel. It very successful.

Computer box need stories to be written in different words for Arm brain to understand quickly but it still understand stories written for other brains with help but it take longer which mean slower flashing on light box.

 

[Insane Metal]

Crackdown 3 stuff basically.

Entire concept has been one huge flop so far.

I guess it could work. But how much of the time? I honestly don't see something like that becoming the trend but who knows.

 

[Loxus]

Fake.

There is virtually no reason to go with a balance of big.little cores for a CPU of a non-mobile platform that doesn't have to run off battery power.

I don't know how much he knows but he's credible. Maybe his info is outdated.

 

[IntentionalPun]

These slides are alleged to be from a leak. They could be a plant.

Also, Intel doesn't supply CPUs to any console. Big.little cores on a discrete CPU sold into markets where power consumption matters (e.g. data centres) makes sense. For a console, it doesn't.

Power consumption matters for home consoles as well though. They are all targeting lower power consumption if possible. Less heat, greater reliability, more compact designs...

MS uploaded these documents as part of a legal process BTW, this isn't some typical "leak."

 

[Bry0]

I don't know how much he knows but he's credible. Maybe his info is outdated.

A lot of the media leaked was from a few years ago. I could totally see a situation where Microsoft sees the ps5 pro rumors and decides maybe to move their 10th gen system up as a response. The Bethesda release schedule for example was almost entirely outdated.

 

[PeteBull]

If next gen xbox launches holiday 2028 and ps5pr0 launches in a year that means sony machine will have clear power advantage for 2nd half of the gen- 4 long years, its gonna be a bloodbath for MS

 

[Banjo64]

Couldn't ms sue the ftc for all of these confidential docs? This could cost them damages that are hard to quantify.

Microsoft have released this information themselves, which makes it infinitely more funny.

Maybe they should sue themselves?

 

[iHaunter]

So how many Tittyflops can this system do?

However many it'll take for Bethesda to keep their lifeless animations in their engine.

 

[Insane Metal]

I don't know how much he knows but he's credible. Maybe his info is outdated.

Earlier than 2028... earlier than PS6... that's also what HeisenbergFX4 said here a few times before. After all plans do change.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I don't know how much he knows but he's credible. Maybe his info is outdated.

Earlier than 2028... earlier than PS6... that's also what HeisenbergFX4 said here a few times before. After all plans do change.

Interesting that Kepler is hearing that as some have laughed at me for saying Xbox was thinking about jump starting the next gen much earlier than the PS6

 

[TheRedRiders]

Interesting that Kepler is hearing that as some have laughed at me for saying Xbox was thinking about jump starting the next gen much earlier than the PS6

How do we know it's start of a next-gen for them and not just a mid-gen refresh?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

How do we know it's start of a next-gen for them and not just a mid-gen refresh?

I hate to do this to you I honestly do but the best answer I can give you is almost like a trust me bro for reasons

Plus for whatever its worth RGT is hearing the same

 

[I Love Rock 'n' Roll]

Apple will come with, what ? M5 or 6... I just can't wait to see MS crush by Apple's ARM tech! It's gonna be good, especially watching Digital Foundry crying!

And no, ARM Is not the furtur, it is very real right now... on Apple side at least!

 

[TheRedRiders]

I hate to do this to you I honestly do but the because answer I can give you is almost like a trust me bro for reasons

Plus for whatever its worth RGT is hearing the same

Red "I hear conflicting things, and there's multiple designs. and the project may or may not have been binned so take this with a truckload of salt" GamingTech.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Red "I hear conflicting things, and there's multiple designs. and the project may or may not have been binned so take this with a truckload of salt" GamingTech.

The one and only

 

[Chittagong]

Safety & Toxicity

MEGATON

RIP PS6 & Switch 2, MS wins next gen

 

[chromhound]

Time for me to retire from gaming lol

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

sounds boring