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[UnNamed]

Cloud Hybrid sounds like Power of the Cloud

 

[SmokSmog]

Xbox S/X on 6nm in late 2024 ( 500$ for X) ?

 

[THE DUCK]

Couldn't ms sue the ftc for all of these confidential docs? This could cost them damages that are hard to quantify.

 

[TVexperto]

what does “XDL” mean?

 

[Schmick]

So I guess Xbox wont be going the 3rd Party Publisher route then.

 

[T-Cake]

Intriguing about the ARM64 stuff. And looking at the timescales, they already know NOW whether they are going with ARM64 or sticking with AMD x86-64.

 

[Kurotri]

It different kind of brain or think space for computer box. Apple computer box recently now Arm brain, no more intel. It very successful.

Computer box need stories to be written in different words for Arm brain to understand quickly but it still understand stories written for other brains with help but it take longer which mean slower flashing on light box.

I kind of got that.

 

[TheRedRiders]

Can someone explain in cavemen terms what ARM is and is it cool or uncool?

ARM is a company which designs chips like CPU and GPU, they then license out those designs to companies like Apple who heavily modify and customize those designs to fit their product.

ARM's designs are usually super efficient and it's been a key factor in the growth of Apple's technology and design. I use Apple as an example as they're one of ARM's biggest customers.

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

From Alex Battaglia on the other forum.

 

[TheRedRiders]

From Alex Battaglia on the other forum.

Is he trying to suggest they'll go with Nvidia? even though the documentation says AMD.

 

[jroc74]

ARM is a company which designs chips like CPU and GPU, they then license out those designs to companies like Apple who heavily modify and customize those designs to fit their product.

ARM's designs are usually super efficient and it's been a key factor in the growth of Apple's technology and design. I use Apple as an example as they're one of ARM's biggest customers.

And Nintendo with the Switch.

MS going ARM would be an interesting choice.

 

[Gamezone]

Both upgraded consoles are losing their disc drive? Rip physical media.

 

[Crispy Gamer]

Is he trying to suggest they'll go with Nvidia? even though the documentation says AMD.

Nah he's saying it's the equivalent to Nvidia...honestly everything here looks predictable beside using ARM

 

[Dcr1d3r]

Always Online Mach2

You gotta believe!

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

Is he trying to suggest they'll go with Nvidia? even though the documentation says AMD.

Don't think so, he's implying that the tech MS is working on for the next-gen Xbox is comparable with what Nvidia currently has on the market (e.g. dlss with frame gen, super resolution, anti-lag/reflex, etc.)

 

[TheRedRiders]

Nah he's saying it's the equivalent to Nvidia...honestly everything here looks predictable beside using ARM

Agree, I speculated a year back the next-gen consoles would focus on ML/AI upscaling and RT... following Nvidia (as usual).

 

[Majormaxxx]

Hybrid... Means series x is my last xbox

 

[Midn1ght]

AI Agents?

 

[hinch7]

Its no wonder they were pushing for ABK acquisition and only offered CoD to Sony for the initial 3 year deal. That would've lined up perfectly to secure CoD exclusivity for the next Xbox.

Pretty interesting roadmap otherwise. And especially if they go ARM. Would enable them to put in a big GPU in it. And the focus on Ai sounds very cool.

 

[Team Andromeda]

The move to a separate CPU and GPU hopefully means we get some really powerful raytracing as standard next-gen. No Issue's with the Cloud or always being online as long as it just means that all games are playable both on console and cloud from the start and maybe the cloud is also used for BC with the move to a new CPU. XBox must never again lose its GPU crown as it did for the Xbox One LOL

But its 5 years away, so much can and will change

 

[SolidQ]

No way they'll go ARM

maybe it's CPU for background tasks UI/Net etc

 

[StereoVsn]

No way they'll go ARM, losing backwards compatibility in the process.

Don't worry, they will always have the gentle embrace of the Cloud!

 

[StereoVsn]

Intriguing about the ARM64 stuff. And looking at the timescales, they already know NOW whether they are going with ARM64 or sticking with AMD x86-64.

This coudk kind of explain why they aren't doing the Pro version of they are expecting to switch architecture.

However, if Sony sticks to x86 with full BC on PS6, Microsoft is going to get killed yet again.

 

[Slicker than your average]

Microsoft engineers were able to get PowerPC architecture (Xbox 360) games to run at improved frame-rates and native resolutions on x86 architecture (Xbox One - current).

If anyone can switch to ARM and continue the backwards compatibility it would be them.

But they couldn't get bg3 running slit screen on series s

 

[OverHeat]

Bailout.gif fuck this shit!

 

[OverHeat]

Microsoft is like a cancer in the console space right now…glad I’m not stuck in this no more.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Is that Cloud-DRM proposal?

 

[Del_X]

AI for physics and kinematics is enough to get me hyped. Game worlds are incredibly static, still. You could run those original Crackdown 3 demos locally with modern graphical bells and whistles that kind of tech, hell even add some fluid dynamics.

 

[twilo99]

Nvidia or qualcomm

Yes, there are a few options but they aren’t great. Apple’s A17 pro would be ideal tho lol

 

[Tripolygon]

Microsoft engineers were able to get PowerPC architecture (Xbox 360) games to run at improved frame-rates and native resolutions on x86 architecture (Xbox One - current).

If anyone can switch to ARM and continue the backwards compatibility it would be them.

Recompiled code not emulating PowerPC. It is essentially an x86 code.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Is that Cloud-DRM proposal?

Sounds much more extensive than just Cloud DRM. I mean if you are talking about a digital only console in 2028, it'd be hard to argue that online only games would be that big of a hinderance.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Sounds much more extensive than just Cloud DRM. I mean if you are talking about a digital only console in 2028, it'd be hard to argue that online only games would be that big of a hinderance.

I'm 50/50 when it comes to online only. Enjoyed both The Crew and The Division. You get some shit maintenance here and there but overall it's good. It all depends on the game.

 

[VinnyMac]

2028 is a good sign. Sony could probably get away witha pro version of the ps5 as it's a Lil under powered compared to the series x. But Ms has zero business to do so devs havnt even maxed out the console yet.

 

[old-parts]

Switching to Arm shouldn't be difficult for Microsoft.
1. MS already has an x86-64 translation layer present in Windows 11 Arm (its performance is hindered by Qualcomm hardware).

2. They can design an Arm CPU with instructions that improve the performance of x86 translation, for example the Chinese Loongach CPU's have this built into them.

They are sticking with AMD for GPU no matter the CPU type.

A 2028 high performance Arm CPU would most likely crush the Zen 2 CPU in current Xbox.

 

[alucard0712_rus]

So how many Tittyflops can this system do?

30% more than Sony

 

[LordCBH]

Cloud Hybrid sounds like Power of the Cloud

 

[AJUMP23]

Purple forum. It should go up on gaming news outlets any minute now.

Edit: Already up on vgzcharts: https://www.vgchartz.com/article/458499/next-generation-xbox-early-details-have-leaked/

All this is corporate speak, and I can't read those slides and see anything that means anything. This is like briefing your boss with nonsense words to make it look like you have an amazing plan.

 

[onnextflix5]

Seems like they are going all out on the cloud shit, hybrid system , so games won’t work offline, have they learned nothing from the Xbox one reveal. should have gone with arm this gen. All consoles will go with arm next gen, power to performance is miles better then x86.

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

All this is corporate speak, and I can't read those slides and see anything that means anything. This is like briefing your boss with nonsense words to make it look like you have an amazing plan.

A Verge article on this specific leak is out in case you find the slides a bit too much on tech and corporate jargon: https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/19/23880138/microsoft-xbox-2028-hybrid-cloud-games-platform

 

[Fake]

No way they'll go ARM, losing backwards compatibility in the process.

Not only that, but ARM perfomance is terrible in comparison with x86.
Its lose the real porpuse of ARM with is target mobile/smartphone.

Can someone explain in cavemen terms what ARM is and is it cool or uncool?

ARM is all about energy effecient and little mainboard, aka mobile. But don't think because the top leader on the market can offer an energy effecient ARM, doesn't mean all can do in the same fashion.

Companies try to use Snapdragon and Apple Cortex as a base to talk good of ARM, but Nvidia tried to enter in the mobile space, but their ARM cpus aren't so energy effecient at all.

You can ask Microsoft inself about ARM cpu. Microsoft tried to push notebooks with ARM cpus and failed miserably.

The only reason for push this ARM just for either Android app compatibility (as Microsoft is trying like for years in Windows) or trying to make a mobile device.

 

[hlm666]

Wonder if nvidia is an option if they are contemplating using an arm cpu. Would help with the listed RT and ML/AI goals lol.

 

[ManaByte]

Wonder if nvidia is an option if they are contemplating using an arm cpu. Would help with the listed RT and ML/AI goals lol.

ARM CPU with a 4080 level GPU.

 

[Tripolygon]

Not only that, but ARM perfomance is terrible in comparison with x86.
Its lose the real porpuse of ARM with is target mobile/smartphone.

This is not true. ARM is just as performant as x86. It all depends on software and application/use case. The other advantage ARM has over x86 is power efficiency, x86 is a bloated architecture but still high performant but at a much higher power draw.

 

[TrebleShot]

ARM is the future of computing , baffling if you think traditional CPU/GPU structures will be the future, it’s cheaper, smaller and more efficient.

Anyone screaming BC from behind thier monster 4090 rigs lacks basic reading comprehension , they are suggesting a cloud hybrid console, ARM for local, cloud for BC , personally find this quite exciting you’ll have tiny low power draw consoles vs monstrous watt guzzling PC/ consoles.

It will be a stark contrast to what we have now.

 

[Zathalus]

ARM is the future of computing , baffling if you think traditional CPU/GPU structures will be the future, it’s cheaper, smaller and more efficient.

Anyone screaming BC from behind thier monster 4090 rigs lacks basic reading comprehension , they are suggesting a cloud hybrid console, ARM for local, cloud for BC , personally find this quite exciting you’ll have tiny low power draw consoles vs monstrous watt guzzling PC/ consoles.

It will be a stark contrast to what we have now.

Going ARM is hardly going to drop power draw that much. Most of the power budget is allocated to the GPU. Both on console and PC.

 

[Fake]

This is not true. ARM is just as performant as x86. It all depends on software and application/use case. The other advantage ARM has over x86 is power efficiency, x86 is a bloated architecture but still high performant but at a much higher power draw.

Try to compare the top end ARM vs the top end x86.

You can pick the best Snapdragon or Apple ARM and saying 'is just as good as'.

As I posted in my reply and you ignored, Microsoft tried to push Notebooks running Windows 10/Windows 11 with snapdragon, but failed miserably.
Nvida tried to enter in the smartphone space, but their phones with Nvidia ARM cpu, guess what? failed miserably.

Thats the problem with the ARM argument. People get the best/top end and try to say 'ARM is this, ARM is that', but in the real world their perfomance is mix bag. Their win are aroung energy effecient.

 

[hlm666]

ARM CPU with a 4080 level GPU.

Would be interesting to see what that level hardware could do in a console, nintendo have done some solid work with that tegra soc.

 

[El Pistolero]

Couldn't ms sue the ftc for all of these confidential docs? This could cost them damages that are hard to quantify.

That's clearly the first thing that comes to mind, reading the leaked documents...if you are a Ree creature, of course!

 

[DenchDeckard]

I was hoping 2026 for the next xbox to be honest. 2028 is too far.

 

[HTK]

Backwards Compatibility done through the Cloud only. hahahahaha