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Xbox looking to be "more flexible" with next generation
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Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
2028 for the next generation Xbox?
So probably a year after or the year of the RTX60s.......perfect timing for me.
Im skipping Blackwells RTX50s so ill be ready for the nextbox.
I sure hope im still alive.
So probably a year after or the year of the RTX60s.......perfect timing for me.
Im skipping Blackwells RTX50s so ill be ready for the nextbox.
I sure hope im still alive.
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Flexibility = PC+streaming. XB series sales momentum has come to grinding halt. I don't see how they could continue on as they are doing now until 2028.
They already did something similar with their "Windows Mixed Reality" headset experiment:
Microsoft Windows Mixed Reality review: Easy to set up, hard to use
Windows Mixed Reality headsets use impressive technology that make them easy to set up, but frustrating to use.
www.pcworld.com
For most companies that would be a staggering amount on the balance sheet. That prob buys themselves several times over. For MS that's a few crumbs sitting in the bank. But in the big picture it achieves nothing positive.
twilo99
Member
A modular Xbox will be very interesting…
Or just do 3 tiers
$300 low
$500 mid
$700 high
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I think they still want a streaming stick as well
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
AAA games take 5-6 years of development and can turn out to be duds like Redfall.
But more importantly, they don't feed the content pipeline for a subscription service as consistently. You release a high-budget AAA game on a subscription service, subscribers are free to leave the service after they finish it. You need a constant stream of content to keep them subscribed.
That's where AA games come in: cheaper to produce and quicker to develop and release so subscribers always have new content joining the service. So they stay subscribed and keep paying money.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Their dream is the worst of consoles (close boxes without any upgradability, paid online, and no modding of any kind they do not explicitly approve of and control), the worst of PC’s (multiple HW specs changing with small iterative changes, no big jumps and no support for big quirky new ideas quickly [hard to get the solution to support all HW variations and devs onboard], to get people to buy new HW more often despite making cross generation games forever a reality and being a pain for devs and giving problems to users too as a result), and worst of mobile (no discs anymore, no physical ownership). Plus well that Netflix of gaming subscription gaming thing to destroy user perceived game value.
Dacvak
No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
Apparently it just means no more disc drive.
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
I like this idea, throw a decent amount of ram and a great cpu in it, then a cheapo gpu in the base unit, mid gpu the $500, and great one in the $700. But will developers be happy with this approach?
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Sony is poping champagne right now. What a wild morning (for me).
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
More all digital consoles coming. Next gen is gonna be a tough one to go for, for me.
I love physical. I'll just have to change my purchasing habits.
I love physical. I'll just have to change my purchasing habits.
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
I was thinking about this, perhaps developers should consider a standardized format "collectors box" that gets mailed out for an extra $10 - $20. Something maybe even a bit nicer than today's boxes with a collectible coin or small color handbook.
But for every game, as per ms or sony, they must be available.
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Mephisto40
Member
I'm predicting they'll offer and xcloud only option, and it will fail, hard
Also all xbox next gen console games must be compatible with Xbox Series S
Also all xbox next gen console games must be compatible with Xbox Series S
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I hate the fact that you're right about this.
BoxFresh123
Member
"more flexible"......................foldable Xbox
bender
What time is it?
That would be my guess. Game Pass Stick for $99. I don't see a tier above the X either as they'd probably just tell you that is what PC gaming is for.
delirium trigger
Member
If they're smart they'll sell an xbox gaming pc with windows on it. There really isn't a name brand with regards to prebuilt computers and building your own pc is for hobbyists. That whole market has been ripe for the taking.
ZoukGalaxy
Member
Stop it and just deliver a classic console with a constant flow of first party GAMES, that's ENOUGH "experiment" fails.
Oh, one more thing: fire clown Phil, he's a useless LIAR.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
As do I.
Audiophile
Gold Member
The "Lite" model at the beginning of the gen isn't completely flawed. Problem is the GPU gulf with the XSS is too big, the memory bandwidth is too low and then you have additional small changes on top.
An effectively identical system with a 50% GPU size, 75% memory, ~65% bandwidth and 50% storage would be fine. Cut native resolution and all dependent fx in half, a few tweaks and that's it. But with a 33% GPU size, 62% memory, 40% bandwidth; fundamental functionality can't traverse the gap without major difficulty. Even knocking 200MHz off the CPU where game logic occurs is just being awkward, it can be overcome for sure, but you're already making things hard, now they're just adding to it for whimsy and a tuppence ha' penny in savings..
Posted it already elsewhere, but this would a been the play imo:
An effectively identical system with a 50% GPU size, 75% memory, ~65% bandwidth and 50% storage would be fine. Cut native resolution and all dependent fx in half, a few tweaks and that's it. But with a 33% GPU size, 62% memory, 40% bandwidth; fundamental functionality can't traverse the gap without major difficulty. Even knocking 200MHz off the CPU where game logic occurs is just being awkward, it can be overcome for sure, but you're already making things hard, now they're just adding to it for whimsy and a tuppence ha' penny in savings..
Posted it already elsewhere, but this would a been the play imo:
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
If I'm not mistaken, one of the slides mentioned something about a < $99 thin-client device.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
They wanted it years ago but could not make it small enough for their vision
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I'm gonna make a safe assumption that tech would be mature enough by 2028 that they can finally have a small set-top box if they want one.
The three pronged approach can work on paper. 1. High end machine 2. Medium/Low end entry level machine 3. Cloud only streaming stick or puck at a much lower price.
saintjules
Member
Isn't that Geoff? Looks like Geoff.....
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I believe so, lol.
saintjules
Member
Riky
$MSFT
That seems like a realistic range, on top of the Cloud app appearing on more television screens.
sankt-Antonio
:^)--?-<
All these leaks paint the picture MS wants Hard-/Software that primarily make it faster, cheaper and easier to church out game content. Not better, cheaper and faster. Fucking GP.
Gamepass streaming already available on some Samsung TV's etc.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
True, but their set-top will probably require some kind of native processing and not every TV vendor might want to do similar partnerships.
David Ricardo
Member
What’s the purpose of a pro version of series X if its games are going to be limited by what a 4tf 10GB system can do?
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
MS is stuck with the Series S, it's their best selling model with 75% of total Xbox Series S/X sales.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
the flexibility MS is taking about.
Crayon
Member
Ooohhh... "Rent free". I get it now! Sick strat.
ByWatterson
Member
I agree they should expand the kinds of hardware on which they publish games.
Pelta88
Member
More flexibility means an extremely low spec console. Taking everything that leaked during the acquisition, a console targeted at the mobile market is most likely. I’m not sure how they market that device or how they position it in the market, but their internal deliberations state that mobile is the only place they envision growth.
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