Phunkydiabetic
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I cant believe it's not butter
NoMoChokeSJ
Banned
So you're trolling the thread?
Katajx
Gold Member
It’s my opinion they would still like you to buy these games.
It’s an option for you to try out something you missed or to try before you buy to see if it’s something you want to hold onto.
For me It’s like the evolution of game rentals with the convenience of digital delivery.
It’s an option for you to try out something you missed or to try before you buy to see if it’s something you want to hold onto.
For me It’s like the evolution of game rentals with the convenience of digital delivery.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Yes.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
It's hard to take any of your 'concerns' seriously when you don't make similar arguments against Google's Stadia, Amazon's Luna and Sony's PSNow. What is it about Gamepass arguably the most consumer friendly of all the aforementioned options that you have a problem with? What historical trends is MS responsible for that Sony or Amazon or Google aren't also contributing to? Do you think Netflix is 'devaluing' movies despite the fact that they offer no option to purchase the movies you'd like to keep. How is MS the only one 'devaluing' games when Sony has TONs more games on PSNow? I'm certain you'll be complaining about them too right? I'm not bothered by a legitimate concern about a legitimate problem you just haven't presented one yet. Perhaps you just don't like MS. It's cool vote with your wallet and don't buy their products or services. You have THAT power too!
Brofist
Member
All the while throwing out some nonsensical comparisons to Costco and Sam's Club for no reason too. Maybe he thinks Costco ruined shopping for everyone too
NoMoChokeSJ
Banned
He said it some posts back that his agenda is really to counter the positive take by fans of the service with doubt because what goes around comes around. He is intentionally trying to paint the service in a poor light without any substantive argument against it except some people don't like subscriptions. I did see that he did jump back on the game pass devaluing games baseless, bullshit argument. Which I'm love to see some instances where this is a factual claim. In fact I'd love to see mods treat this claim the same way they treat the 9.2TF claim.
JLB
Banned
Then Im hacking the shit out of their business model cause Ive finished plenty of games and never happened that to me. Subd to GP since day one.
Rien
Jelly Belly
How dare you!!Yeah I'm sorry I have a job and life got in the way
JimmyRustler
Gold Member
... and new games are added all the time. Where's the problem?
Hostile_18
Banned
Oddly this makes the service MORE appealing to me. That's because I don't like renting all my games and it gives me incentive to buy the very best ones after I've tried them on Gamepass (likely months later at a discount since I've already played through it).
Gandih42
Member
Games leaving Game Pass is the reason I'm not interested in it, personally. Although the fact that you can buy the games at a discount makes up for it quite a bit.
I think the service is amazing value, especially if you have to prioritize the money you have available for gaming. In my case time is much more important, so being able to play exactly the game I want when I want, matters more.
As many have pointed out, I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with games leaving. It's part of the business model and seems very transparent. Perhaps it just means it's not for you OP? Just like it ain't for me.
I think the service is amazing value, especially if you have to prioritize the money you have available for gaming. In my case time is much more important, so being able to play exactly the game I want when I want, matters more.
As many have pointed out, I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with games leaving. It's part of the business model and seems very transparent. Perhaps it just means it's not for you OP? Just like it ain't for me.
Memorabilia
Member
"Xbox Concern thread #3276 dialed up and ready, sir!"
Justin9mm
Member
Gamepass does not suit everybody's play style.
There are some good longer games that people don't play through from start to finish at one time without playing anything else. The best example is RDR2, this is not a short game and the time period it was up in Gamepass was not long enough for a lot of people.
And the discount purchase price is laughable, you could buy it physically for like half of the offered discounted price in a store.
Just like the subscription service of Netflix, there is a lot of shit on Gamepass.
A hardcore gamer needs more than Gamepass and if it was so desirable already, MS wouldn't be buying studios like Bethesda to try and fill it with more AAA games. It's lacking a little especially since some countries pay quite a bit for Gamepass.
And for third party developers gamepass is not a sustainable business model for the future of gaming development. Developers need to make profit to continue making games, they aren't going to get that from Gamepass.
I can't see this type of service ever taking over the gaming industry in the foreseeable future.
The hype of Gamepass is a little overrated. And yes I do have Gamepass myself.
There are some good longer games that people don't play through from start to finish at one time without playing anything else. The best example is RDR2, this is not a short game and the time period it was up in Gamepass was not long enough for a lot of people.
And the discount purchase price is laughable, you could buy it physically for like half of the offered discounted price in a store.
Just like the subscription service of Netflix, there is a lot of shit on Gamepass.
A hardcore gamer needs more than Gamepass and if it was so desirable already, MS wouldn't be buying studios like Bethesda to try and fill it with more AAA games. It's lacking a little especially since some countries pay quite a bit for Gamepass.
And for third party developers gamepass is not a sustainable business model for the future of gaming development. Developers need to make profit to continue making games, they aren't going to get that from Gamepass.
I can't see this type of service ever taking over the gaming industry in the foreseeable future.
The hype of Gamepass is a little overrated. And yes I do have Gamepass myself.
Tiamat2san
Member
Only MS games are there « forever »
the rest comes and goes.
some games are here for 6 months, some for more.
And you can buy a game if you want to keep it.
i bought more than 10 that I wouldn’t have even tried without gamepass since the beginning .
the rest comes and goes.
some games are here for 6 months, some for more.
And you can buy a game if you want to keep it.
i bought more than 10 that I wouldn’t have even tried without gamepass since the beginning .
Eliciel
Member
From your list I have played only one game and that is Dishonored 2. That is a testimony to my even stricter problem with GamesPass and I have known for a long time now that the GamesPass principle is not the right for me. I am very selective on the content I play, because I don't have a lot of time to play games anymore and If I reserve time for a game it lasts for a very long time as I am not playing many hours a day.
E.g. Destiny 2 Beyond Light is a game I will play hundreds of hours and that will take me many months and by the end of the day it is a game I will be better of owning than "leasing", because there is no other game I am playing during that time and buying it one time is much more meaningful to my playstyle than leasing hundreds or even thousands of game.
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Owning a gamepass is something else than owning a Game.
Basically, u own nothing on gp. and if they take it away, though luck, u can buy it. (essentially u are paying to play a game , and pay again to buy/own it if it leaves the service.)
Publishers used to put demos of games online for free to try (oh glorious xblox live trials..) now they can earn money to let u try the game on gp, and eventually buy it anyways.
Its a great business model with double income coz most people are blinded by "omg i have 150+ games".... but reality is, u got nothing and u have to pay continously to get acces to them.
That one day u dont pay they take everything away from u, and u end up with nothing. Exept with a lousy feeling of not owning anything and eventually start buying those games u liked or continue subbing on gp. An endless circle of money. Can u imagine those publisherss that put up demos online for free? haha those crazy people, we can make money from that.
Oh and we start raising those prices of the sub too soon while we are at it. Put up tons of "simple" MP orientated GAAS games with all kinds of mt's to milk more money.
As u can read im not a big fan of subs and passes in general. So call me old fashioned where i rather pay 60$ for one game to own physically than to pay 60$ for a bunch of games i dont own.
Basically, u own nothing on gp. and if they take it away, though luck, u can buy it. (essentially u are paying to play a game , and pay again to buy/own it if it leaves the service.)
Publishers used to put demos of games online for free to try (oh glorious xblox live trials..) now they can earn money to let u try the game on gp, and eventually buy it anyways.
Its a great business model with double income coz most people are blinded by "omg i have 150+ games".... but reality is, u got nothing and u have to pay continously to get acces to them.
That one day u dont pay they take everything away from u, and u end up with nothing. Exept with a lousy feeling of not owning anything and eventually start buying those games u liked or continue subbing on gp. An endless circle of money. Can u imagine those publisherss that put up demos online for free? haha those crazy people, we can make money from that.
Oh and we start raising those prices of the sub too soon while we are at it. Put up tons of "simple" MP orientated GAAS games with all kinds of mt's to milk more money.
As u can read im not a big fan of subs and passes in general. So call me old fashioned where i rather pay 60$ for one game to own physically than to pay 60$ for a bunch of games i dont own.
DrumNBassDanTTV
Member
People are seriously trying to find flaws in the gamepass service? wow that's desperate haha
aygomyownroad
Member
I've played games I would never have bought on my own back. I have bought some of them, especially Cities Skylines, even bought all the DLC.
Its a great thing.
Its a great thing.
XGon'GiveItToYa
Banned
They give you about a 2 week heads up which even for someone with limited time should be enough to finish even a long SP story. Now obviously it's not realistic (maybe for someone who doesn't do anything other than playing games) to finish 10 games in 2 weeks. lol Sorry but if you're playing all of them at once then I don't know what to tell you. Did you really expect them to stay on Gamepass forever? New games coming to the service means there will be games exiting as well. I honestly can't see how this makes the service any less good...
Plus if you really enjoyed those games, there's nothing stopping you from buying them. I have Gamepass and still buy games. It's the power of choice, we all win.
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
You fanboys are sad. I explained my reasons by explaining how PS+ was piss, and if you look back through my history you can see that I mocked Stadia and Luna too. I don't owe you brainlets an explanation if you aren't going to credit me for my own words.
Of course, it's easier to cry victim and huddle under your persecution complex blanket than to use critical thinking.
The Scrivener
Member
I keep a spreadsheet and highlight 6 month and 1 year intervals from now so I know what will be leaving soon. It's pretty accurate too. I still miss a lot but that's my fault.
TheSHEEEP
Gold Member
But what if it was?
Bankai
Member
My ONLY problem with gamepass is the fact that I don't own the games.
It's just like with Netflix: you're 100% dependent on what's on offer. Phil (yes, he doesn it himself) deletes a game from Gamepass? Tough luck, its gone. When I buy a game, it's mine and I can play it no matter what (unless it's online, then servers come into play).
Other than that Gamepass rules and the value is insanely high.
It's just like with Netflix: you're 100% dependent on what's on offer. Phil (yes, he doesn it himself) deletes a game from Gamepass? Tough luck, its gone. When I buy a game, it's mine and I can play it no matter what (unless it's online, then servers come into play).
Other than that Gamepass rules and the value is insanely high.
I mean, yeah its a subscription service?
Yes, its a bit annoying, but it's easy enough to plan your games around that (It's not like you don't get a proper warning). If you want the additional security of ownership you will still have to make an actual purchase.
The only bad thing I see here is to keep in mind that subscription ONLY models would be bad and something that needs to be avoided.
Yes, its a bit annoying, but it's easy enough to plan your games around that (It's not like you don't get a proper warning). If you want the additional security of ownership you will still have to make an actual purchase.
The only bad thing I see here is to keep in mind that subscription ONLY models would be bad and something that needs to be avoided.
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GHG
Member
What's interesting is:
- Humble bundle used to dish out a ton of high quality titles on a monthly basis for a subscription fee, better yet you own the games
- Origin Access was around before gamepass and for a while it was arguably the better service in terms of the quality of games that were available
Did anyone? No. Those of us enjoying those services would just do so and if there was anything to be said about the service it would be discussed in the specific threads.
With the way that some people are going on you would be led to believe gamepass is the first service of it's kind, the best thing since sliced bread. I had no idea purchasing games was such a burden for some people. Slap certain companies logos and branding on something and it's fascinating what people will start doing on behalf of said company.
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LisaMariaMartin
Banned
Then buy the games you cheapskate
Azurro
Banned
I thought the point was that you get all of these amazing games for free for a minimal monthly payment. Now it's a limited rent?
IDappa
Member
People carry on how they buy the games they want and then get disappointed the games they play are leaving a sub service.
Wtf am I reading, gamepass is acting as advertised you get to play the selection of games on the service knowing that they will leave eventually, they offer a discount to purchase said games if you want to own them. It's your own fault if you don't buy them.. where's that Jackie Chan scratching head meme when you need it.
Wtf am I reading, gamepass is acting as advertised you get to play the selection of games on the service knowing that they will leave eventually, they offer a discount to purchase said games if you want to own them. It's your own fault if you don't buy them.. where's that Jackie Chan scratching head meme when you need it.
Ulysses 31
Member
That's a bit naive of you, don't you think?
An ever expanding library available for always for a fixed price would be insane value.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
people want “the Netflix of games” but stuff leaves Netflix all the time. It’s not like there is a permanent library
as long as you don’t own the games and just rent them the you are entirely at their mercy
as long as you don’t own the games and just rent them the you are entirely at their mercy
CeeJay
Member
I'm not one to victim blame but how the hell is this not entirely down to you and your own choices? Games are normally on there for a year, manage your time so you don't miss out on games you want to play? If there are too many games on there that you want to play and there is not enough time to fit them all in then buy the ones you don't get to play and add them to your ever growing backlog or make some tough choices and accept you can't play everything.
danielJackson
Banned
I think that is the problem.
With luck you pay only the 13€ month and get games you want.
Or at worst
You pay 13€ month + 70€ for games you want to play on launch + 10-70€ for games that are not in the pass
So in the long run you maybe save money, or pay extra.
It is literally the same with netflix, pay 13€ month and 80% of the time stuff I wanna see isnt there, as after other services they lost like half of the stuff and we already have
2019
Finland
339 series
1757 movies
United States
1326 series
4339 movies
If Netflix can fuck us up by offering tiny amount vs USA, so can Microsoft
With luck you pay only the 13€ month and get games you want.
Or at worst
You pay 13€ month + 70€ for games you want to play on launch + 10-70€ for games that are not in the pass
So in the long run you maybe save money, or pay extra.
It is literally the same with netflix, pay 13€ month and 80% of the time stuff I wanna see isnt there, as after other services they lost like half of the stuff and we already have
2019
Finland
339 series
1757 movies
United States
1326 series
4339 movies
If Netflix can fuck us up by offering tiny amount vs USA, so can Microsoft
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
No no no, you don't understand that in addition to paying Game Pass fee, you can ALSO spend extra to buy the game at a discount. How can you not see the value?!?
They're just the mobile-gaming whales of the console market. Daddy please let me chug more DLC too.
Why not evaluate the game and then buy it or don't buy it? Why pay for a curated, narrower range of games instead of just doing research (costs $0 per month) and picking and choosing?
The idea that Game Pass "opens up the horizon for exploring all sorts of new games" makes it sound like watching footage on YouTube is too hard for them.
This sub is gonna feast on FOMO gamers like the mobile-whales they are. Spend money to play games during the launch window, then spend more money to keep it if you like it, which naturally takes time away from trying the other games added to the sub, which incentivizes you to invest more time to justify the sub before those other new games are removed, and then the sub is less about the "free" games and more about taking advantage of the "discounts" because you're not playing the new games as often, etc etc (<-- this is my personal experience with PS+)
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Deleted member 775630
Unconfirmed Member
For some games, yes. Does every movie or TV series stay on Netflix?
NoMoChokeSJ
Banned
Lol. You are calling me a fanboy because I can see through your transparent bullshit. Your words speak for themselves. You criticize PS Plus as an effort to appear objective but your own words are what I am citing. So save the rhetoric for somebody else.
Secondly you aren't bringing anything of substance to the argument. You dislike subscription services but don't see the common sense argument of "then don't subscribe to them" as having any merit. Subscriptions require membership to survive and if people don't sign up, the service won't financially viable or they will have to improve it to attract more subscribers. It is the simplest solution to your issue.
The problem I have is you, and others like you, come into every one of the gamepass related threads to cry about how it's going to ruin the industry, devalue games, reduce quality, lock you in, hold you hostage, slap your mother, ect,ect... Yet you can't provide any sustantive proof of this even being a potential. Show me any subscription service that doesn't have a competitor, or forces you to be a part of it. Give me examples where subscription services haven't been forced to put out higher quality products instead of lower quality. Almost every worthwhile television series over the last 5-10 years have been products of subscription services or premium services.
You want me to take your conversation as actual "critical thinking", then provide something other than the same stupid fear mongering tactics that 20 other regular gamepass thread trolls use. Show me the fucking receipts. Show me examples of where subscription based services have done the things you are so "concerned" about. Because at this point you aren't providing anything other than subscriptions are bad. The reality is tens of millions of people find value in different subscription based services and value is in the eye of the beholder.
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
If I came into every Game Pass thread, I would be posting non-stop.
I've answered the things you claim I omitted, but since it takes too much effort to read you'll just repeat the same empty accusations but with more words. Yawn. Braindead fanboys always hurry to find a devil under every rock.
Play some videogames for once instead of crying when people don't like your Sam's Club / buffet / bulk purchase. I've expressed why I don't like subscriptions. so have others. Your position looks weak when you have to misrepresent, omit, or outright lie about Game Pass detractors to excuse the persecution complex.
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