Ar¢tos
Member
Hopefully they make a priority to improve Bethesda Quality Control. In the past years it has been getting worse. Fallout76 was almost offensive.
I want TES6 to be relatively bug free at launch, not 2 years after.
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Microsoft Bethesda purchased to be finalized today
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I want TES6 to be relatively bug free at launch, not 2 years after.
splattered
Member
They could happily afford that. It could also take a lot less time once all the Sony die hards go out and begrudgingly buy an Xbox.
onesvenus
Member
The vault division doesn't exist, it was created to be merged with Zenimax because when a merger happens one of the two ceases to exist. It was the only way to keep Zenimax alive.
That doesn't imply anything regarding it being an Xbox studio or not.
Microsoft making a banner that says Xbox + Bethesda might give you some idea of what's happening
You have a lot of stuff Confused bro... Vault is a subsidiary purely created to close the deal and keeps MS out of liabilities, while honoring contracts, called revers triangular merger something of that sorts
MS>Xbox>>Xbox Game Studios>>>1P Devs (Bethesda falls under Xbox Games Studios, not Xbox Game Studios Publishing which deals with obtaining exclusive games)
|>>Xbox Game Studios Pubslishing> They focus on sourcing timed (or not) exclusives from 2nd or 3rd parties (Cup head/The Gunk/ExoMecha/The Medium)
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Gen.Grievous
Member
Please clean sweep that entire studio and ditch gamebryo.
Lone Wolf
Member
Does Microsoft itself not become more valuable when it absorbs Zenimax? It’s not like they burned a 7.5 billion pile of money and walked away with nothing.
Orta
Banned
Jigsaah
Gold Member
Nice, good for Microsoft. Good for gamers. Maybe they'll make them redo their engine finally. Though I faintly remember them saying this was happening anyways.
Return on Investment can happen in different ways. Sure they could go the exclusive route. They may miss out on Sony userbase sales, but may make up for it in console sales and subsequent game sales and game pass subs from those new xbox users.
Likewise they could just make everything multi plat if they are comfortable in their console sales. Honestly, the only way they lose is if Bethesda drop a heaping pile of shit for games this gen.
Return on Investment can happen in different ways. Sure they could go the exclusive route. They may miss out on Sony userbase sales, but may make up for it in console sales and subsequent game sales and game pass subs from those new xbox users.
Likewise they could just make everything multi plat if they are comfortable in their console sales. Honestly, the only way they lose is if Bethesda drop a heaping pile of shit for games this gen.
Kagey K
Banned
Remember when everybody said MS overpaid for Mojang and they would never recoup that investment?
Besides what does it matter to you or me if they ever recoup the loss? They would have lost more, that could never be recovered had they just paid tax on the cash instead.
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Riky
$MSFT
That's not how balance sheets work.
Burnttips
Member
They have to sell over 100 million games. How long do you think that's going to take? How many more gamepass subs does it create by itself? I don't think it fits with Xbox strategy to not put games out on PS. Games will have extras on Xbox. If you buy a home that takes 20 years to turn a profit you're a moron.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
I was one of those people. Microsoft proved me wrong. Turns out I'm not a better CEO than Satya Nadella.
harmny
Banned
then why don't ps put their games on xbox? they can make more money that way. bethesda games need to be ms exclusives.
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devilNprada
Member
Please enlighten us on how amortization works? Accumulated Amortization is a contra Asset account on the balance sheet Item...
How does it get there?
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Bro you have no clue what you are talking about. Do you realize that Zenimax is still worth billions of dollars? Do you think buying a publisher means the worth just evaporates?
LisaMariaMartin
Banned
They don't have to sell games. They have to sell subs. Nadellas and Phils bonus is directly tied to Game Pass numbers. Sad to say but unless you can get game pass on ps, you're shit out of luck.
Besides, Bethesda games sell best on PC so theyre covered.
Lone Wolf
Member
take a few business classes, please.
Soulforge
Banned
Ditching the engine would not solve anything tbh. It's not the engine, it's what these specific devs can do with said engine. People also said diagonal running (Oblivion) or lack of real time ladders is also the engine. But diagonal running and ladders were never a problem in Divinity DKS (also on Gamebryo). Just hire better programmers. Hire system engineers to work full time on the engine alone. Rework the parts that are behind, overhaul, upgrade, you name it, but don't change the engine. It would be a huge mistake to start from scratch with id or Cryengine or whatever. No other engine does what their engine does. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying no other engine could do what their engine does, if it was reworked specifically for this purpose. The guys from id Software were 'in tha house' for a decade and couldn't help in this regard. They even went on record to say their engines don't work for what BGS does. Draw calls, item and npc tracking, modding. Modders would be raging if the new engine can't be modded to the same extent.
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devilNprada
Member
If you lose 50% of your customers and/or revenues.. Yes it will lose value..
LisaMariaMartin
Banned
Bethesda already moved away from last gen (see Deathloop/Ghostwire). There are 4-5M PS5 out there vs 3-4M XSX + enough PC + cloud users to easily offset that number.
Best time to ditch ps5.
devilNprada
Member
Are you sure?
stitch1
Member
That's not even close to true. As more people join Game Pass with a monthly subscription they make their money back pretty quickly. $15 a month times X amount of users = big money. Last time they spoke on it there were like 18million subs. Thats between $90,000,000 and $270,000,000 per month. With Bethesda they plan to grow that number quite a bit. What kind of money did Sony bring in from their biggest title? Because Xbox is doing close to that number monthly.
Andodalf
Banned
This. If you buy something for what it's worth, you have lost 0 Dollars. Anything they make is straight profit for the value of your company.
devilNprada
Member
It was a general comon sense answer that had to do nothing with Xbox or playstation...
LisaMariaMartin
Banned
And I'm telling you that dropping 4M ps5 consoles is a lot easier than dropping 120M+ ps4 consoles.
Pedro Motta
Member
Does this mean I don't have to login with Bethesda account to play their games?
FatKingBallman
Banned
This is it. The end of Sony is starting today
devilNprada
Member
A) I never mentioned Sony even once... Not sure your point?
B) Since you brought it up there are 4M playstations Now... How many out there at the end of the generation and TES has always been a franchise to sell for 10 years out.
I have always played TES on PC what does Sony have to do with anything.. I thought it was a conversation about investments..
Burnttips
Member
It's a bonus to have game pass give you a new game every 2 years that people will jump at the chance to get in. $15 dollars a month an my main reason to get GP was this? It ain't selling shit when it comes to GP and you know it.
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freefornow
Gold Member
Dont know about Phil, but in one of Brad Sams videos he states that 5% of Satayas remuneration package is tied to Gamepass subscriptions.
Burnttips
Member
Because they didn't offer the kind of money for their studios that MS just did. Why is Minecraft on ever device? Because they spent that kind of money. Sony seems to be moving games to PC to get more money.
LisaMariaMartin
Banned
You said they would cut out 50% of customers. Since Bethesda moved away from last gen they cut them out regardless.
So their total customer base is now 10M consoles + PC vs last gen 170M+ consoles + PC.
Losing 50% of customers now is a lot easier than a few years ago.
B) A sale on PS5 is worth a lot less than sale on Xbox or PC where they can tie you to their store/subscription. Using first party to build up a console/subscription base is literally what every successful platform holder does (gaming or movies).
stitch1
Member
I have no idea what you are trying to say?
Kev Kev
Member
agreed, and do square enix next
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Interfectum
Member
Gone
Banned
Doom Eternal generated 450 million dollars in revenue, according to one of the devs.
Burythelight
Member
FrankWza
Member
Lilbro-itis. It’s a tough syndrome
Bladed Thesis
Member
This is the funniest troll I've read on here in a long time.
A for effort man, goddamn, you're good.
Derktron
Banned
Don’t forget PC, Microsoft cares more about software sales than hardware, they don’t care where the games end up being sold on. PC, Xbox or even on Xcloud. (In the future)
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Derktron
Banned
I know. He’s just another stupid fanboy making up a number, no game has ever sold 100 million in sales, when it comes to first party exclusives on any platform.
Dr.Morris79
Member
Hang in there Sony only fans
>Besides, Bethesda games sell best on PC so theyre covered.
Factually incorrect that Bethesda games sell more on pc.
Revenue doesn’t equal profit.
