Hit the nail right on the head. Without the masterpiece that was the original, and the ridiculously false advertising campaign, TLOU2 wouldn't have sold half as well as it has.TLoU2 should really thank TLoU1 for the sales boost. I bet its legs are really tired from carrying part 2.
They only have physical sales for Nintendo games, as it says.More than Animal Crossing?!?!
I know it is NA only but still, just 1 of those doing more than AC, let alone three, is a shock.
Even taking all of that into account, I am still surprised.They only have physical sales for Nintendo games, as it says.
So Animal Crossing would almost certainly be in the 3 or 4 spot if they had the full data for it. Adding digital sales would likely almost double it's number, since around 50% or more of games sold are digital nowadays.
RDR 2 can thank RDR1TLoU2 should really thank TLoU1 for the sales boost. I bet its legs are really tired from carrying part 2.
Yes. You just reaffirmed his point.RDR 2 can thank RDR1
GTAV can thank the previous installments in the series.
SF4 can thank SF2 and 3.
The list goes on.
Well, AC NH shipped in March 2020. By May 2020 it had already sold like 13 million.Even taking all of that into account, I am still surprised.
The problem is that you guys think the majority doesn't didn't like it.Yes. You just reaffirmed his point.
That being said, I can assure you that the hype for RDR3 and GTA6 is far greater than TLOU3. ND fooled us once, it won't happen a second time.
He used that chart to show that TLOU2 had a big drop off yes, something which the NPD one also seems to corroborate. That TLOU2 still outsold GoT is likely due to the 4 million in 3 days head start.Dude, give up with the excuses.
He used it as proof that the legs were bad and said GoT had better legs. which was completely false considering the sales from 2020 showed GoT way behind TLOU 2. They posted copies of GoT and TLOU on shelves to prove GoT was selling better.
You can compare GTAV and Animal Crossing to ANY big title and most will be lower in comparison. You can't say, "he was right" when he used it as proof that the game was failing.
Let me ask you straight because you're always making up excuses.
Did he use the chart as proof that the legs were bad or not?
Gonna need to see a citation that they think MC is the end all, be all of gamers opinions. They are sceptical of MC ever since they remove negative reviews.No, they said this is how gamers really feel. First you told me you only know what a few YouTubers said and now you know what every one is saying. You're lying just to justify their ignorance
Quote me something they said about the reviews that the high scoring ones aren't genuine.Again, lying. Just look the responses to the reviews.
No, you just said they were without providing any receipts. "Just look at any video" doesn't qualify as proof.I pointed out what they were dishonest about. You're here damage controlling.
Doesn't matter. The top 10 is still a cesspool of overbaked unoriginal ideas.Madden's main audience is in the US and the game is on multiple platforms. When it comes to world wide sales, TLOU 2 is doing much better.
As I explained earlier, God of War was on sale for along time and it only sold 10 million copies in about 13 months. Sony puts their games on sale few months after the game released to, and this has happened with nearly all of their major releases so far.
He used that chart to show that TLOU2 had a big drop off yes, something which the NPD one also seems to corroborate. That TLOU2 still outsold GoT is likely due to the 4 million in 3 days head start.
You guys don't follow sales. Don't even engage in an argument when you don't know what you're talking about.Doesn't matter. The top 10 is still a cesspool of overbaked unoriginal ideas.
GOT may have been a Ubisoft clone, but it was a smallish team with an original IP which makes it far more interesting -- And what they achieved much more commendable.
LOU2 was a game with a huge budget, massive critical respect behind it and a seven year development cycle -- In that regard sitting beneath Assassins Creed and Madden is a objective failure.
That Druckman desperately and consistently tries to position himself and that game as some sort of Underdog s getting embarrassing now, and posts like this one, that championing that position seem deluded.
Completely. This post is basically like cheering on a wealthy bully, but amusingly the OP doesn't realise that what they are doing is showing how uselessly that game performed, not the other way around.You ain't wrong, it's pretty fucking insane how Tsushima ain't that far beyond Last of Us 2 and Spider-Man, considering all the advantages those games got in the marketing.
Care to enlighten me Sire?You guys don't follow sales. Don't even engage in an argument when you don't know what you're talking about.
Care to enlighten me Sire?
The problem is you think the majority like it.The problem is that you guys think the majority doesn't didn't like it.
Predictable. You're right here in the bold.The problem is you think the majority like it.
- Using 80% drop after the first week to prove its a failure.
- Calling all the awards rigged and holding a MC user score to a higher value.
- Saying all negative reviews were the only "honest ones".
- Most journalist were paid to give the game a high score.
There's also a reason why people are on twitter using these lies.
People are easily manipulated and that's why they gather a huge following. lol
My guess is they assumed TLOU2 would've been an exception with how hyped it was thanks to the first game and that it wouldn't follow that drop off trend you posted.You're doing it again. How is it proof when games I showed you showed a drop off after 3 months?
You're defending his lies. Give it up, dude lol
My guess is they assumed TLOU2 would've been an exception with how hyped it was thanks to the first game and that it wouldn't follow that drop off trend you posted.
He could be wrong and you right about the physical sales, the way I understood his "attack" on TLOU2 with that chart is that it should've been in the charts longer if the game was as beloved as a lot of media were saying.
??? I never said God of War was a failure, that has nothing to do with it -- so stop straw dogging. I have no idea what that list represents.
- Red Dead Redemption 2
- Call of Duty: Black Ops 4
- NBA 2K19
- Madden NFL 19
- Super Smash Bros. Ultimate*
- Marvel’s Spider-Man
- Far Cry 5
- God of War 2018
- Monster Hunter: World
- Assassin’s Creed: Odyssey
- Grand Theft Auto V
- Mario Kart 8*
- FIFA 19**
- Battlefield V**
- Super Mario Odyssey*
- Call of Duty: WWII**
Is God of War a failure since Madden 19 sold better?
Not to mention the fact that TLoU II was an example of one of if not the worst review bombings with tens of thousands of negative scores when the game hadn’t even been out for a day and would have been pretty much impossible to play through in that timeframe. So much so that metacritic changed their policy to a 36-hour delay before user reviews can be posted for future games in light of it, with the message “Please spend some time playing the game” beforehand.Predictable. You're right here in the bold.
The game has over 100 Reader Choice Awards and millions of people voted.
You're sharing a MC score from a lot of people who didn't buy the game, which is also under 66k users compared to millions of gamers who bought the game.
Yeah, lets hold the MC score to a higher value.. /s
You didn't have to mention it.??? I never said God of War was a failure, that has nothing to do with it -- so stop straw dogging. I have no idea what that list represents.
What I said that the top 10 presented initially was filled with unimaginative bloated sequels (or something like that) and in this context, and the context of LOU2 budget and critical success, LOU2 is a objective failure.
That doesn't mean I didn't enjoy the game a lot, but seven years worth of work for that? I don't think so.
Conversely in this context, GOT comes out on top, not only monetarily as the profits would have been far greater, but spiritually as well as it is the clear underdog.
Not an hard assumption to make when they bring sales up so often that they expected TLOU2 to chart for longer than it did. With all the marketing the game had I can see that point too.Now you're "assuming"
Every time you debate, you move the goalpost. Its not working here. You never once mention the other games I pulled up for obvious reasons. Anyone who has been following sales knows the game drops off to after 1 or 2 months.
I can't sit here and waste anymore time while you damage control your beloved YouTubers. Guys like Matt, Benji, Zhuge wouldn't even consider anything close to what they're saying about sales, but somehow YouTubers who followed video game sales for a week knows more than them... riiight.
Exactly. Every sequel leverages the popularity and fanbase of the previous entry. That's the entire point of having an ongoing franchise.The problem is that you guys think the majority doesn't didn't like it.
June 2020 to May 2021 - Total Dollar Sales in USA, Physical + Digital
#3 The Last of Us Part II - June 2020 to May 2021 (12 months)
#4 Spider man Miles Morales - November 2020 to May 2021 (7 months)
#5 Ghost of Tsushima - July 2020 to May 2021 (11 months)
The NPD group tracks the best selling games in the USA over the last 12 months. Meaning currently, we can see physical and digital dollar sales from June 2020 to May 2021. This covers the entire time all 3 big 1st party games from PlayStation have been on sale. We know Ghost sold over 6.5 million units, and since it ranks 3rd on this chart, we know all 3 games have sold at least 7-8 million units by now. A safe guess is Ghost of Tsushima has sold 7-8 million units, Spider-man Miles Morales has sold 8-9 million units, and The Last of Us Part II has sold 9-10 million units. So we now know The Last of Us Part II has been a big sales success for Sony. Also, interestingly, all 3 games have climbed higher since last month, showing strong sales momentum long after launch.
Miles Morales has been on sale for fewer months, but has benefited from being the major PS5 launch game. And it has since outsold Ghost of Tsushima. However, The Last of Us Part II has outsold Miles Morales so far, at least in terms of dollar sales. Miles Morales was a $50 game, not a $60 game, which makes its position here a bit more impressive. It would have had to sell more units (at a lower price) to overtake Ghost. If The Last of Us Part II and Miles Morales each sold the same number of units, at their full prices of $60 and $50 respectively, then The Last of Us Part II would rank higher in dollar sales. So there is a small possibility Miles Morales has outsold The Last of Us Part II in units, but thats also pretty unlikely. Many users will have paid less than $60 for The Last of Us Part II, making the price difference between it and Miles Morales basically a non-factor.
May 2021 NPD: Improving weather and pandemic conditions cannot slow U.S. game sales
The May 2021 NPD video game report reveals another strong month for sales on the back of new hardware and Resident Evil: Village.venturebeat.com
MM is also getting boosted as it's seems to me being a system seller so it's definitely got that pro. Also not sure that the general buyer is taking game length into account when buying a game.TLOU2 is an epic game, I love it but MM and GoT doing an amazing job considering one isn't a full game and other is a new IP
And the excuse for Animal Crossing? Is standalone expansion an oxymoron?High profile sequel to acclaimed IP outsells standalone expansion and new IP. Film at 11.
It's in dollar sales so no. You're wrong.Having a bargain price sure helps.
So it's not good to pay 70 euros but too cheap isn't good either? All the debate games for PS5 being too expensive and all and here you have an amazing game for under 20 bucks and that's somehow negative....Having a bargain price sure helps.
Cheaper price can boost sales volume so he's not completely off base.It's in dollar sales so no. You're wrong.
But cheaper price would reduce dollar sales. The chart is in dollar sales. If the others made less money then they didn't price it correctly.Cheaper price can boost sales volume so he's not completely off base.
Would help if we knew the sales numbers.But cheaper price would reduce dollar sales. The chart is in dollar sales. If the others made less money then they didn't price it correctly.
But it's not like other games have not reduced in price like GoT both of these games released a year go.Would help if we knew the sales numbers.
It might've been the case that slashing half the price resulted in 3x the usual sales making the price reduction result in higher overall revenue.
It’s “dollar sales”.MM was advertised as a ps5 game. Tlou2 is a sequel to a beloved game, while MM is a dlc game, sold as a full game.
As much as we like a guess, we also have to add game sales. Lau2 was on sale couple of time, which made its sales go up. Not to mention, it was released when people where on lockdown. While MM was released at the end of the lockdown.
Mm should outsold tlou2 by the end of this year. Its spiderman game. Ain't no way a horror game, would outsell a freaking spiderman game.
At the end of the day, I am happy ps5 is doing good sales.
Miles, beat that game on sales. Go miles.
Having a bargain price sure helps.
Just because it sold well doesn’t mean that people “liked it”. People buy a lot of crap that they regret.
B...but...but....millions sold. MILLIONS SOLD!!!!High profile sequel to acclaimed IP outsells standalone expansion and new IP. Film at 11.
Still there isn't enough data to say for sure that the price reduction was not a factor like you told Petaya Berry.But it's not like other games have not reduced in price like GoT both of these games released a year go.
What data would help? Say you had the unit sales. What would that prove? In dollar sales it was ahead. If the unit sales were high then Petaya Berrys point would be that the "bargain prices sure helps" but if dollar sales are high bargain prices don't actually help. They directly reduce your dollar sales. If you are driving higher revenue with lower prices then you are doing well.Still there isn't enough data to say for sure that the price reduction was not a factor like you told Petaya Berry.