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[ChiefDada]

For the most part, resolution and performance is key difference between PS5 and PS4 versions. Interesting to hear that PS5 specifically is using machine learning to improve resolution. This is why we might see performance mode have an edge in picture quality than native 4k (John from DF mentioned this earlier on twitter). Sounds very DLSS like. Good stuff.

 

[Ezekiel_]

Not watching
Not watching
Not watching

 

[tommib]

So it confirms that performance mode looks better than fidelity? What is this black magic?

 

[Wandering Leopard]

This is why we might see performance mode have an edge in picture quality than native 4k (John from DF mentioned this earlier on twitter). Sounds very DLSS like. Good stuff.

Hmmmm

I think native 4k is a waste of resources, especially on current gen hardware.

 

[adamsapple]

PS5

Favor resolution: 2160p 30fps
Favor performance: Dynamic 4K at 60 FPS
Dynamic HFR Resolution: 1800p/40 FPS
Dynamic HFR Performance: 1440p targeting 120 fps

PS4 Pro

Resolution: 1440p-1660p 30 FPS
Performance: 1080p~1660p 60 FPS

PS4

1080p 30 FPS

 

[analog_future]

For the most part, resolution and performance is key difference between PS5 and PS4 versions. Interesting to hear that PS5 specifically is using machine learning to improve resolution. This is why we might see performance mode have an edge in picture quality than native 4k (John from DF mentioned this earlier on twitter). Sounds very DLSS like. Good stuff.

Care to share where John shared this on twitter? Not finding it

 

[01011001]

So it confirms that performance mode looks better than fidelity? What is this black magic?

XeSS maybe?

DLSS did similar things in some PC games, Doom Eternal for example looks significantly better with DLSS

 

[Turk1993]

I think its FSR 2.0 since they got it on pc for GOW 2018.

 

[01011001]

I think its FSR 2.0 since they got it on pc for GOW 2018.

then it's weird that machine learning is being brought up

 

[Turk1993]

then it's weird that machine learning is being brought up

 

[mansoor1980]

tessellation , shadow cascades/detail and AO are paired back in favour perf mode on ps5 compared to the fidelity mode

 

[ChiefDada]

Care to share where John shared this on twitter? Not finding it

Sorry, he actually mentioned it on DF Direct. Timestamped below.

 

[jaysius]

Amazing that they were able to squeeze so much performance out of the old PS4 and then PS4 Pro.

Get your ear plugs boys it's time to take the PS4 Pro for one last trip to wherever the fuck it's jet engine thinks it's going.

 

[Arioco]

So even on last gen machines the IQ is better now than it was in GoW and its 2160p Checkerboard solution? Curious... It that case it's too bad Santa Monica didnt use this temporal upsampling technique in their previous game too. Not that it looked bad, of course, but...

 

[solidus12]

Amazing that they were able to squeeze so much performance out of the old PS4 and then PS4 Pro.

Get your ear plugs boys it's time to take the PS4 Pro for one last trip to wherever the fuck it's jet engine thinks it's going.

Buttfuck nowhere.

 

[Robbinhood]

I'll always choose 40fps but its weird that the res drops from the standard fidelity mode, i know with Ratchet it was like for like. Is there no overhead with the standard fidelity mode? I wonder if it was unlocked what fps we could get.

 

[adamsapple]

Amazing that they were able to squeeze so much performance out of the old PS4 and then PS4 Pro.

Get your ear plugs boys it's time to take the PS4 Pro for one last trip to wherever the fuck it's jet engine thinks it's going.

When I get my copy, I'll run it a few minutes in the performance mode and record a video for GAF lol

 

[MikeM]

80-90fps at 1440p? Fucking yes. This is what I expected out of this machine.

Devs- take note.

 

[Arioco]

I think its FSR 2.0 since they got it on pc for GOW 2018.

It may be, but FSR doesn't require Machine Learning to do its job, so it's a bit weird anyways. I'm really looking forward to see what John from DF was able to find out about this matter.

 

[Tripolygon]

But I thought PS5 couldn't do machine learning. Lol

 

[a multicultural team of v]

But I thought PS5 couldn't do machine learning. Lol

RDNA .5643 beta pre-release version putting in some work

 

[Gudji]

But I thought PS5 couldn't do machine learning. Lol

RDNA 1.5 doing wonders.

 

[MasterCornholio]

PS5

Favor resolution: 2160p 30fps
Favor performance: Dynamic 4K at 60 FPS
Dynamic HFR Resolution: 1800p/40 FPS
Dynamic HFR Performance: 1440p targeting 120 fps

PS4 Pro

Resolution: 1440p-1660p 30 FPS
Performance: 1080p~1660p 60 FPS

PS4

1080p 30 FPS

Is it a real 60FPS on Pro or an extremely variable 60FPS like the first game?

 

[01011001]

But I thought PS5 couldn't do machine learning. Lol

every GPU can do machine learning, the question is how well it can accelerate the process.

XeSS runs like shit on old GPUs, runs ok on newer GPUs and runs by far the fastest on Intel's own GPUs for example.

 

[Tripolygon]

Is it a real 60FPS on Pro or an extremely variable 60FPS like the first game?)

Extremely variable

 

[MasterCornholio]

Extremely variable

Ahh so that's pretty bad then. When i played GoW 2018 I had to go with the 30FPS option because the variable 60 mode felt bad to me. On PS5 its perfect though.

 

[M1chl]

But I thought PS5 couldn't do machine learning. Lol

Nobody said that, it's just hard truth that consoles don't have dedicated ML cores, which are cut down regular GPU cores.

if it's trolling then I apologize, but someone can read this and learn something new

 

[Tripolygon]

every GPU can do machine learning, the question is how well it can accelerate the process.

XeSS runs like shit on old GPUs, runs ok on newer GPUs and runs by far the fastest on Intel's own GPUs for example.

Yes, I know, I'm mocking those statements that were made earlier in the generation. PS5 has proven capable of doing ML inference at runtime in 2 games now at reasonable performance.

 

[01011001]

Yes, I know, I'm mocking those statements that were made earlier in the generation. PS5 has proven capable of doing ML inference at runtime in 2 games now at reasonable performance.

2 games? which is the other one?

 

[TheRedRiders]

RDNA .5643 beta pre-release version putting in some work

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Too much hype now. Definitely not watching anything at this point.

 

[Gaiff]

Performance mode at 120Hz is the way to go. 1440p image quality that sometimes can look as good or better than native with twice the frame rate of the Quality/40fps mode.

 

[ChiefDada]

2 games? which is the other one?

Spider-Man Miles Morales; applied for muscle deformation

 

[01011001]

Spider-Man Miles Morales; applied for muscle deformation

oh that... well, ok but that's a really light task I'd assume

 

[sachos]

Care to share where John shared this on twitter? Not finding it

I remember him talking about in the last DF Direct, not twitter

 

[ThisIsMyDog]

50+ FPS on tablet PS4 PRO CPU

So PS5 CPU launching this game:

 

[01011001]

50+ FPS on tablet PS4 PRO CPU

So PS5 CPU launching this game:

to be fair, the first one could also hit a full 60fps, but it was rarely above 40

 

[Brock2621]

TLDR?

 

[Cryio]

So it confirms that performance mode looks better than fidelity? What is this black magic?

If they're using FSR2.x, it's possible. But doubt.

 

[solidus12]

But I thought PS5 couldn't do machine learning. Lol

Praise the tools

 

[Tripolygon]

2 games? which is the other one?

Miles Morales was the first game, they use a ML model for muscle deformation on PS5.

 

[sachos]

AI upscaling/reconstruction on a console game what? I thought we would have to wait for PS6 or a mid gen refresh for that

 

[Physiognomonics]

to be fair, the first one could also hit a full 60fps, but it was rarely above 40

Actually It was on average >50fps and often 50fps during combat.

 

[01011001]

Actually It was on average >50fps and often 50fps during combat.

the first one? most certainly not... maybe in the smaller areas and the starting area, but later in the game it often was barely above 30fps.

of course it should be played in the unlocked mode no matter what due to the horrendous input lag the 30fps mode had, but it was far from stable.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

the first one? most certainly not... maybe in the smaller areas and the starting area, but later in the game it often was barely above 30fps.

of course it should be played in the unlocked mode no matter what due to the horrendous input lag the 30fps mode had, but it was far from stable.

That's what the VRR target helps with. Stable or not it will not be as discernable.

Speaking on the modern games like this.

 

[Gudji]

How's the performance mode on PS5? Locked 60? Don't wanna spoil myself. thanks.

 

[mansoor1980]

How's the performance mode on PS5? Locked 60? Don't wanna spoil myself. thanks.

the locked fps modes are basically perfect

 

[Gudji]

the locked fps modes are basically perfect

Oh yes we gonna eat good.

 

[smart_brazileiro]

tessellation , shadow cascades/detail and AO are paired back in favour perf mode on ps5 compared to the fidelity mode

Shit. 30fps it is then. (60 for boss fights).

 

[01011001]

Shit. 30fps it is then. (60 for boss fights).

shit you will never notice is worth having shitty input lag?

this forum really is full of graphics whores, holy shit...