You say no shit but there was a time when people thought Series X would start to flex it's 12tf of muscle as the generation moved on
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I know PS5 Pro is coming but I think game development in the second half of this generation will be in PS5 favor vs Xbox Series X
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Topher
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Teraflops will continue to be irrelevant. I think we've learned that lesson in spades.
It's not irrelevant . It's just not the end all be all when it comes to console specs .
But still Series X has some other small advantages & with games being made on mutual grounds we will still have toss-ups but with MS giving up on Series X & jumping to next generation 3rd parties will probably start to push PS5 strengths more especially with newer PCs having faster I/O & the next Xbox most likely having faster I/O.
HeWhoWalks
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None of that answers my questions.
And yes, teraflops are irrelevant. Stuff like Bandwidth, Cores, RAM (size/speed), and TUs are far more important to a discussion on power. Teraflops are theoretical and hardly meaningful in a discussion on measurable power.
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Topher
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When we still need DF to tell us the difference.....yeah, it's irrelevant.
Yes it did. All 3rd party games have been made on mutual grounds so far
HeWhoWalks
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Sounds like you are confusing "takes advantage of" with "lead platform".
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hououinkyouma00
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There is always a lead platform, and we've seen multiple times this gen that the lead platform has performed better despite the spec disadvantage.
Spec advantages mean nothing when the other console sells 4x more and you spend more time on that version.
HeWhoWalks
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On top of that, "spec advantages" are minimal in this case and the PS5 does things better than the Series X despite them.
I'm the person who said it would be that way but if devs made games that called for more compute things would come out better for Xbox Series X is most cases ( not completely because sometimes the higher clocks still give PS5 an advantage even in compute)
Is the Console GPU FLOPs era going the way of the Bit era? I for one welcome our new GB/s marketing overlord
Bits was so important in marketing until we reached 32-bits , for example Sony didn't make a big deal about PS1 being 32-bit even though that was the marking thing that was big in the 80's & 90's but it was probably the CDs that gave PS1 the marketing edge. Atari & Nintendo used 64 in their...
What if I told you that it's Xbox Series Consoles that's been taking up most of the devs time?
Topher
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I'm the person who said it would be that way but if devs made games that called for more compute things would come out better for Xbox Series X is most cases ( not completely because sometimes the higher clocks still give PS5 an advantage even in compute)
Is the Console GPU FLOPs era going the way of the Bit era? I for one welcome our new GB/s marketing overlord
Bits was so important in marketing until we reached 32-bits , for example Sony didn't make a big deal about PS1 being 32-bit even though that was the marking thing that was big in the 80's & 90's but it was probably the CDs that gave PS1 the marketing edge. Atari & Nintendo used 64 in their...www.neogaf.com
Has nothing to do with what I said.
HeWhoWalks
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How would that disprove what he said? And, how do you know that?
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
RaySoft
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That could be the way yes, but I'm afraid Sony sold out their PS5 SSD bandwith advantage for doing PC ports. Decisions were done at HQ. Mark Cerny's hardware potential were left at the altar of DirectX. This is why we can't have nice things.
bender
What time is it?
And those thoughts dwindled with every passing sales thread.
Topher
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Didn't really turn out to be much of an advantage, but what does PC ports have to do with SSD bandwidth on PS5?
PCIe 5.0 is here to save the day
bender
What time is it?
Basically if they want to sell the game on more devices they can't go too crazy with the bandwidth requirement.
But PC have Main RAM that can be used even if they don't have a SSD with 5GB/s
Topher
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That isn't what I asked though. How is PS5's bandwidth (not other devices, just PS5) affected at all by PC ports?
So why are games built for Series X ending up with advantages when ported to PS5 ?
ShadowkillXNA
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Like VRS which the Dead Space remake studio disabled on xbox series systems since it made the image quality absolute garbage?I'm just happy to see the PS5 finally getting some Xbox Series X hardware features
bender
What time is it?
Which games?
I was speaking on why the other person said that.
Audiophile
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S0ULZB0URNE
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They usually design around the weaker spec so I dunno about this.
Why because I didn't fall for the bait ?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Topher
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bender
What time is it?
Hellblade 2
I mean if we are talking about Hi-Fi Rush, Tango has a ton of experience with PlayStation not to mention that game was in development before they were acquired.
Edgelord79
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The secret is to shine it with the tears of my doubters
Bumblebeetuna
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Development will cater to the hardware selling more?
bender
What time is it?
Kinda , maybe , sort of but let's see how things play out over the next few years
I'm thinking we will get a PS3 like ending when games actually started to need the Blu-ray but this time it will be games actually needing the bandwidth.
Negotiator101
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Thank you.
Hudo
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Wake me up when Sony make a new Motorstorm, Wipeout, Resistance, unfuck God of War and let someone else at Naughty Dog direct and write a game.
SirTerry-T
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It's an almost frightening display of intellect....
Feel Like I'm On 42
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Because while every single PS5 had high bandwidth io not every PC does ...isn't that obvious?
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